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Dave88 07-16-2019 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1257189)
I don't know how they did it or what they did but the standing tickets in Bucharest are almost gone even though 2 days ago 3/4 of them were there.



Not bad.

The show is greatly undersold, GC and Diamond are still available, so I guess they're planning something to make it look a bit fuller, like reducing the standing space by moving the stands forward.

bonjovi90 07-16-2019 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave88 (Post 1257194)
The show is greatly undersold, GC and Diamond are still available, so I guess they're planning something to make it look a bit fuller, like reducing the standing space by moving the stands forward.

I'm expecting that too. They did the same in Dresden 2011 by setting up two stands at half the length of the field to make it look full.

steel_horse75 08-08-2019 09:23 AM

Just posted this in Metallica thread.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/met...rldwired-tour/

Have the figures been released for how much this leg of tour made ?


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YOVANAfromPeru 08-10-2019 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1258165)
Just posted this in Metallica thread.

http://www.blabbermouth.net/news/met...rldwired-tour/

Have the figures been released for how much this leg of tour made ?


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Nothing here: https://www.billboard.com/charts/current-boxscore
and nothing here (but in this case your article says "November 22, 2018 to May 22, 2019", which means this though:) https://www.pollstar.com/Chart/2019/...eTours_747.pdf

PanosBonJovi 08-18-2019 08:22 PM

I was watching a performance from Wild In The Streets back in 2000, WOW, what happened to that band and their setlists.

Jonty 08-19-2019 01:57 PM

Heading to Foo Fighters in Belfast tonight. Second fav band behind Bonjovi, will be some comparison of show I fear!

kleman 08-19-2019 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Jonty (Post 1258327)
Heading to Foo Fighters in Belfast tonight. Second fav band behind Bonjovi, will be some comparison of show I fear!

I was in Croatia this year and got to tell you that BJ show in Klagenfurt was better, probably because of a whole day, girlfriend who was with me (her first jovi show-she had a blast), crowd....everything was just perfect. BJ shows are always different and have special place in my heart :cool:

OO and you dont need to compare it, just enjoy

liljovi93 08-19-2019 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kleman (Post 1258329)
I was in Croatia this year and got to tell you that BJ show in Klagenfurt was better, probably because of a whole day, girlfriend who was with me (her first jovi show-she had a blast), crowd....everything was just perfect. BJ shows are always different and have special place in my heart :cool:

OO and you dont need to compare it, just enjoy

Last sentence is spot on.

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PanosBonJovi 08-19-2019 07:52 PM

Having a quick look on Wikipedia about EU Leg numbers:

Don't know if they are true or not but w/e.

Bucharest: 61,129 / 61,129
Madrid: 57,682 / 57,682
Munich: 72,000 / 72,000
London: 80,994 / 80,994
Dublin: 71,663 / 71,663

DavetheGodofKeys 08-19-2019 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1258343)
Having a quick look on Wikipedia about EU Leg numbers:

Don't know if they are true or not but w/e.

Bucharest: 61,129 / 61,129
Madrid: 57,682 / 57,682
Munich: 72,000 / 72,000
London: 80,994 / 80,994
Dublin: 71,663 / 71,663

I think the crowd numbers here are exaggerated. I was at the Bucharest show and to me, it didn't look and sound like there were so many people there. I might be wrong though.

Eveline 08-20-2019 07:20 AM

There is no info about many of the other venues, though :/

PanosBonJovi 08-20-2019 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1258346)
I think the crowd numbers here are exaggerated. I was at the Bucharest show and to me, it didn't look and sound like there were so many people there. I might be wrong though.

http://i.imgur.com/PeeitjG.jpg

Bucharest

DavetheGodofKeys 08-20-2019 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1258356)

Fair enough, looks packed.

bonjovi90 08-20-2019 03:58 PM

The numbers for Munich seem accurate, don't know about the rest.

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Bounce7800 08-20-2019 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1258343)
Having a quick look on Wikipedia about EU Leg numbers:

Don't know if they are true or not but w/e.

Bucharest: 61,129 / 61,129
Madrid: 57,682 / 57,682
Munich: 72,000 / 72,000
London: 80,994 / 80,994
Dublin: 71,663 / 71,663

London checks out, was on a Stadium tour the week after and the concert capacity is circa 80/81k. and the venue was essentially full (although not necessarily every single ticket full but they always seem to fudge their capacity numbers on their boxscores)

YOVANAfromPeru 08-20-2019 08:20 PM

In my country in 2010 they considered the "Venue Capacity" = "Tickets Sold" so they could say the "Percentage Sold" is 100%

Start Date: 9/29/2010
End Date: 9/29/2010
Num Shows: 1
Headliner: Bon Jovi
Tickets Sold: 45,193
Gross USD: 3'508,208
Gross Gate: 9'905,716
Currency: Nuevo Sol
Venue Capacity: 45,193
Percentage Sold: 100
Ticket Price Min: 48
Ticket Price Max: 760
Venue Name: San Marcos Stadium
Venue City: Lima
Venue Country: Peru
Promoter: Evenpro Group, Evenpro Group / Move Concerts, EVENPRO GROUP EVENPRO WATER BROTHER INTL WBI, Move Concerts

Dave88 08-20-2019 10:40 PM

The numbers on Wiki are completely made up. They've been out there for some time with no source or anything. I've noticed that for some previous tour as well someone is putting in fake numbers.

Until posted on Billboard/Pollstar there's no way to know the exact figures.

Jonny Sambora 08-20-2019 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1258343)
Having a quick look on Wikipedia about EU Leg numbers:



Don't know if they are true or not but w/e.



Bucharest: 61,129 / 61,129

Madrid: 57,682 / 57,682

Munich: 72,000 / 72,000

London: 80,994 / 80,994

Dublin: 71,663 / 71,663

The RDS in Dublin holds around 35000 so that looks about right over 2 nights

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YOVANAfromPeru 08-21-2019 10:32 AM

This is Wiki:
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Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1258343)
Bucharest: 61,129 / 61,129


This is picture:
Quote:

Originally Posted by PanosBonJovi (Post 1258356)


These were official numbers (last time in Bucharest):
Start Date: 7/10/2011
End Date: 7/10/2011
Num Shows: 1
Headliner: Bon Jovi
Support: Quantiq, Stillborn
Tickets Sold: 53,030
Gross USD: 4'000,892
Gross Gate: 11'754,192
Currency: New Lei
Venue Capacity: 53,030
Percentage Sold: 100
Ticket Price Min: 88
Ticket Price Max: 450
Venue Name: Piata Constitutiei
Venue City: Bucharest
Venue Country: Romania
Promoter: AEG Live, AEG Presents, AEG Presents / Concerts West / Goldenvoice, D&D East Entertainment, East European Entertainment

YOVANAfromPeru 09-03-2019 10:08 AM

So… what did you like more Deff Leppard or Skid Row?

I personally liked more Skid Row…

Xavi 09-03-2019 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1258772)
So… what did you like more Deff Leppard or Skid Row?

I personally liked more Skid Row…

I liked more Manic Street Preachers.

YOVANAfromPeru 11-22-2019 11:41 PM

THE TOP TOURING AERTISTS OF THE DECADE
No. 6
BON JOVI
Decade Gross: $836,661,584
Tours: The Circle Tour (2010); Bon Jovi Live (2011); Because We Can; The Tour (2013); Bon Jovi Live! (2015); This House Is Not For Sale Tour (2017-19)
The Team: Management: Full Stop Management, Irving Azoff. Agency: CAA
Bon Jovi has been a rock 'n' roll workhorse since emerging from New Jersey in the late 1980s, but it takes more than just a willingness to put nose to grindstone that puts a band among the Top 10 touring artists of a decade.
There're the music, and there's magix; and amazin team making sure all the pieces fit together and the machine is tuned to its finest. And when your frontman is Jon Bon Jovi, the rest follows.
Having one of the great frontmen of all time on board "is pretty special," Bon Jovi agent Chris Dalston of CAA tells Pollstar. "There are very few bands that can play stadiums and arenas around the world for as long as they can. I have worked at CAA for over 20 years and each tour seems to be bigger than the one before. Jon listens to music and knows trends and genres as well as anyone. He is very competitive. This is his career and he wants it to last as long as possible. He takes care of himself and follows a punishinf routine to stay healthy and focused. Many young bands can learn a lot about work ethic from watching Jon," Dalston says.
And he's been watching Bon Jovi a long time, having started out as the ban's international agent, going with the band to Asia. "He wants to know that the people working for him are singularly focused and that he can expect nothing but passion, dedication and loyalty. And he'll give you the same in return." - POLLSTAR

rokenrola 11-27-2019 12:17 AM

https://www.pollstar.com/top-touring-artists
Well,no matter what we could say about band in negative way,these numbers say a lot.

JackieBlue 11-27-2019 04:59 AM

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Originally Posted by rokenrola (Post 1260106)
https://www.pollstar.com/top-touring-artists
Well,no matter what we could say about band in negative way,these numbers say a lot.

Yes they do, especially when you consider that over the last 10 years Bon Jovi made $836,661,584; but only $43 mil of that came from their latest tour. Compare that to GNR where $584 million of their 10-year total of $648 million, came from their latest 'Not in This Lifetime' tour alone (Apr 2016 - Nov. 2019). That makes the GNR tour the third highest grossing tour of all time, behind Ed Sheeran and U2.

(https://www.iheart.com/content/2019-...mpid=headline1)

Looks like Phil-X was right: the real money is in reunion tours.

Walleris 11-27-2019 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1260108)
Yes they do, especially when you consider that over the last 10 years Bon Jovi made $836,661,584; but only $43 mil of that came from their latest tour. Compare that to GNR where $584 million of their 10-year total of $648 million, came from their latest 'Not in This Lifetime' tour alone (Apr 2016 - Nov. 2019). That makes the GNR tour the third highest grossing tour of all time, behind Ed Sheeran and U2.

(https://www.iheart.com/content/2019-...mpid=headline1)

Looks like Phil-X was right: the real money is in reunion tours.

Sorry, but this is a horrible analogy.

First, THINFS tour did not draw that much relative to previous tours, because it did not have the same scale. They were playing ~32 dates per year, compared to 102 in 2013, 59 in 2011 and 85 in 2010. GNR on the other hand, had 175 shows in the NITL tour, they basically travelled around the world twice in the course of a 3.5 year period (you might as well call two tours), compared to the previous tours which were 40-50 shows per tour. How you name the tour (or merge multiple legs into "one tour) is just semantics, the real indicator comes from taking a comparable number of shows. Only then you would have an apples to apples situation.

Second, while I hope Richie comes back, but his return would not have anywhere near the level of Slash's return to GNR, because there was no massive drop in ticket sales. I expect a small spike (c. 5% in US and 10-15% in Europe), but nowhere near Slash's level of impact. GNR is a stadium act with Slash and a fringe arena act without Slash. Bon Jovi in this day and age is a fringe stadium act and a very strong arena act, with or without Richie.

Captain_jovi 11-27-2019 05:54 PM

Yeah agreed. The money isn't in more members, it's in having a singer that can handle 100+ shows a year.

JackieBlue 11-27-2019 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1260113)
Sorry, but this is a horrible analogy.


First, THINFS tour did not draw that much relative to previous tours, because it did not have the same scale. They were playing ~32 dates per year, compared to 102 in 2013, 59 in 2011 and 85 in 2010. GNR on the other hand, had 175 shows in the NITL tour, they basically travelled around the world twice in the course of a 3.5 year period (you might as well call two tours), compared to the previous tours which were 40-50 shows per tour. How you name the tour (or merge multiple legs into "one tour) is just semantics, the real indicator comes from taking a comparable number of shows. Only then you would have an apples to apples situation.


Second, while I hope Richie comes back, but his return would not have anywhere near the level of Slash's return to GNR, because there was no massive drop in ticket sales. I expect a small spike (c. 5% in US and 10-15% in Europe), but nowhere near Slash's level of impact. GNR is a stadium act with Slash and a fringe arena act without Slash. Bon Jovi in this day and age is a fringe stadium act and a very strong arena act, with or without Richie.


Nowhere did I suggest that a reunion tour with Richie would have the same impact that Slash did with GNR; only that the NITL tour showed there may be some truth to Phil-X's statement that reunion tours are where the big paychecks come from.

You may be right about it being a bad analogy, though. It obviously didn't serve the intended purpose, since it seems you totally missed the point; and actually made practically the same argument in your response. I wasn't comparing THINFS to previous tours. Rokenrola had pointed to those rankings as support for his argument that BJ is still (currently) doing well, despite the negativity he finds so objectionable. My point was that it might be true, if the 836m total that placed BJ in that position was a reflection their current status. But based on the numbers I had, it wasn't. It primarily represented the Bon Jovi of 2010 thru 2013 because the 43 mil gross I found for THINFS would have been a negligible percent of that total, and BJ would drop only one spot in the rankings if THINFS were removed altogether. Whereas, like you pointed out, the direct opposite is true for GNR, where the total of everything but the NITL tour accounted for only 64m, a negligible portion of their decade total of 648m. The GNR total is a more accurate reflection of who they are today than it is of GNR prior to NITL.

Turns out it's a moot point anyway, though, because while I maintain that my reasoning was sound, my numbers were totally ****ed. :roll:

I went back to recalculate, using some of the comparisons you suggested, and discovered that the 43m total I had grabbed from Wiki was based on incomplete information. The actual gross for the THINFS tour is probably closer 223m, which brings it much more in line with the gross revenue of the other tours.


So, apologies to rokenrola for disputing his claim, which now seems to be valid; and to everyone else for wasting their time with incorrect information. :oops:

YOVANAfromPeru 11-28-2019 05:45 AM

What the heck are you talking about??? >_< jajajaja

JackieBlue 11-28-2019 03:30 PM

Long story. You really had to be there... :D

rokenrola 12-07-2019 09:00 PM

Numbers for the THINFS tour are 232M and 2,27M attenders,does anyone know numbers for individual shows,specially in Europe?


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