This is kind of stupid. Because it didn't get released isn't nearly enough of a reason to believe it wasn't been worked on. I'm sure for every three things that get released, five more got nixed by Jon and the label. Hell, The Distance was all set to be a single but the label didn't do it even after Jon said it was, and that's not a reason to not believe Jon.

I just think Obie is one of the craziest in BJ corporation.

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But it is posible, to have a serious conversation with him if he’s in the mood... of course.

You can call it stupid or believe in Obies words,its your choice.

I know... lol

I'm not saying believe everything he says, i'm saying he's low enough in the totem pole that everything he works on isn't always getting released. I wouldn't write him off because of that. At one point Lost Highway was going to be a duets album and then it wasn't. Things change.

If you're saying Obie....lied to you about a project that didn't get released? It's just a bit silly is all.

No,what I mean is that Obie sometimes says to fans things that they "want to hear" just to content there or in that case with that argentinian fan,just to let him in peace and be able to go into the hotel.
I was there,and their chat was just about ACDC and 10 seconds of Jovi answering a question like that.
"Is it the last tour?"
-No,were are recording a new album and will be on tour next year

Nothing new,but then,that guy published what he wanted.
Im not saying Obie always lies fans about projects he has in mind and then he cant deliver,what I mean is that sometimes Obie tries to content fans saying the things they are willin to listen.
For example:
-Hey Obie,why dont u release next year a 25th anniversary These Days Box Set?

He aint goin to tell u: No,impossible
He would probably say: Yeah,it would be great,I am working on that idea and more anniversary Box Setx but ...bla bla
U know what Im trying to say?

For sure, I get where you're coming. I'm just saying the things he's saying he's working on/worked on are all feasible products we have no way to know he's lying about to appease fans.

Him saying they recorded a new album and it's out early next year is true. Him saying they are touring it next year is true.

I also don't think it's a matter of him not delivering, projects get shelved when the last one doesn't do what's expected (ie New Jersey re-release) or label or budget reasons. If he had his way I'm sure there would be more box set like projects. That's kind of the reason I can't give him crap. He did a great job assembling the songs and made sure the hardcore fans didn't already have them. I can give him crap for the way he mixes live material but I have no reason to believe he hasn't worked on projects that never came out.

But that's me. If he tells a fan that the next single will be a disco remix of If That's What It Takes I'll call horsecrap.

Surely the label would have been the ones to pay for that, not Jon. Didn't Obie say recently that the tapes for Hammersmith were lost?

He's been working with his boss too long. :p:D

On another note (kinda), am I the only one who wonders about Obie's statement that the album is finished, and what that says about the whole concept of this being a real band album?

I haven't seen anything to indicate the band has been in the studio together since "Day One, Song One". Whether they did just "Song One" or the first "batch", Phil-X has seemed to think there was more to come. He posted the "solo without sound" and another picture, from the same day, of him recording background vocals in Studio City, back in April. In May, he tweeted that they had only done the first batch, but he played on all of them; that he hadn't written anything with Jon yet, but there was still time; and that he thought the album was on hold because the band was in "tour mode".

After Nashville, Shanks posted a few of Jon in the studio alone, along with one of Jon and David relaxing on a studio sofa in Germano Studios, but no others of the whole band together in any studio. The only other post I saw from him, related to the album, is his post about being "glued to the computer until the tour."

Now there's a statement from Obie that the album was finished in Nashville and mixed at Abbey Road. Phil posted a picture of himself standing alone in front of Abbey Road; but as Twitter/IG-happy as X and Shanks are, nobody posted pictures of anybody actually working in Abbey Road? Something just seems odd to me.

The Liverpool/London thing was weird to start to... lol

We all know that a new album is supposed to come out. They were supposed to release it early autumn but seems like it will be released early 2020. That makes sense since they added another SA leg on their THINFS tour list.

So, the main question is if Jon will be up to tour again and in what condition his voice will be

Easy thing. Another album with very little participation of Phil, and with Shanks doing the most part of the guitars, keyboards and drum machines alone. Oh yeah, he will put the Jon's robot voice on it too.

I can hear Dave and Tico's playing all over THINFS, it would be a real shame to go in the opposite direction. All we can do is hope the time spent in the studio was just not documented and displayed :(

Jon is finished in terms of giving a good live performance.




On the other hand, studio albums have their magic, at least it still works for me, since I still think they can give us some interesting songs.

The Beatles made 13 albums in 7 years, I would like Jon to focus more on releasing new music, or music from the vaults, and not focusing so much on the Tours, and leaving it for at least a couple of years or three.

Oh trust me, I was in Bucharest, I know that already. It's pity.

I was at the UK shows,and Jon is not finished in terms of giving a good live performance...

He is not finished in terms of giving a good live performance but only when he chooses to give one. As it has now become apparent, sometimes he prefers to give a bad one for a change.

I'm going to repeat what someone else said here, but it's not like he hates Bucharest and he sucked there on purpose. He can't really control his voice, and he can't choose when to go all out or when to give an average performance. He might've not interacted with the crowd as much, and he might've not been as good as a frontman as he has been for this leg of the tour, but it happens. It was probably an off-night for him as a frontman.

It definitely was an off-night for him. I just had hoped he wouldn't be having one exactly at my show. Such a thing happened in 2013, I did not want to relive it again.

Ha, I'll start thinking I'm the main reason that this keeps happening but yet again the same group of people I travel with were in Athens & Sofia :P

Just to clarify it, but I think I mentioned that already in the topic of Bucharest.

Athens 2011 - Hottest day of the summer, its 42C, the show ended 2 to 3 songs earlier than expected. They didn't play These Days & Dry County as they were planned to.

Sofia 2013 - The allergies issue. I specifically recall Jon telling me that he was cold while he was on the catwalk after finishing Be There For You and while intro of Bed of Roses was playing. When he kneeled to have a drink he waved directly at me and told me it's cold and I was like well, it's pretty hot down here that was a nice moment actually and I was the first to high five inbetween the solo felt amazing, I was only 16 by that time so you can imagine the enthusiasm!

Bucharest 2019 - It was pretty clear he was struggling and wasn't in a good mood, he was pissed off with himself cause he couldn't deliver the songs the way he wanted to. He started well and full of energy but it ended up in a vocal disaster for him. It was sad cause he was trying the best and obviously he'll be crucified by media but other than that he tried to deliver a good show despite the troubles. Everybody deserves a bad night and that's understandable. Jon should take a break and find a way to involve his vocals or try to get them fixed. A friend of mine who was in Dusseldorf as well mentioned that he was sure the show would end earlier than expected cause Jon's attitude was completely different compared to the German show after a specific point.

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SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGH.

I don't know if this can be good.

That's not necessarily a bad sign - could easily be he's just recorded all his parts and hasn't heard the album since. Not an uncommon way of doing things, especially as he's not involved in the mixing and production side of it.

Do you think the album is finished? or have only recorded demos.

I don't believe that they do demos any more....straight into recording the album I reckon.

I wonder if they will continue along the same path, or will make a significant change in sound and form.

If the rest of the process is the same, the only difference on this record about Phil X would be his "recording with the band from the ground up": https://www.instagram.com/p/BvAd06IFNC3/
>_< lol

Jon seems proud and satisfied.

He's been saying the same thing every time they release a new album - that he's proud and happy with it. So I wouldn't look too much into that. It'll probably be the same old sh*t again.

yep, it is curious as from 2000 until now, its compositions and sound has not had a substantial change, you know, for mark a before and after as NJ to KTF or TD to Crush.

Either his kind of humor or one more thing that is hard to understand.

It's because, on this European tour, Jon realized that it's too taxing for him to continue that way and that they fell flat on some audiences (especially on Scandinavia at the start). There was a meetup with Richie in the one week break and they decided to just do a few songs together again to see how it goes. The whole uncertainty of the situation also caused more stress on Jon and was the explanation behind his decline after the short break.
Phil got wind of it and that's why Jon kept repeating the "he'll stay here until the end" phrase on shows after the break, to take the wind out of the whole thing. It's also why Phil reacted that way on Twitter because he doesn't know if some of the already existing stuff has been rerecorded in that process. Furthermore that's why almost no material after "day 1, song 1" was posted on social media since Richie was there of some days and it shouldn't be known in case they simply don't get it going again. At the same time, that's the reason why we haven't heard from Richie's solo album works in weeks and weeks.

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You are reading too many books. Talk about conspiracy.

You tryin' to take my job as resident conspiracy theorist???
 

Gotta say I like the way you think! :p
Is Jon anywhere near Spain right now?? Maybe he invited Richie to share his "couple bottles of wine"... ;) :D

what a temptation to believe in this... :mrgreen:

Hmmm... So looks like new single in early 2020 and of course tour (unless it “got erased” of course......)
https://twitter.com/TheRealPhilX/sta...53598051356674
https://twitter.com/TheRealPhilX/sta...52810918977536

As much as I'd love to believe it, it seems unlikely :/

It's pure bullshit, I was just bored at work yesterday [emoji23]

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You bastard!:mrgreen: Oh, well, it sounds like Jovi fiction anyway. But then, it's rather cruel to joke like that. There are people out there who still hope for a reunion...