Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265796)

It's just like everything else in life. Priorities shift, music changes, technology takes over, short cuts become the new normal.

Cost also becomes a factor. I don't think Shanks charges Jon more to lay down a standard bass track and use a drum kit on a song that really has no main purpose.

And let's not forget that without Richie, it's no longer Bon Jovi the band. It's now the Jon Bon Jovi band featuring Dave and Tico when needed. Mainly for touring and playing the old stuff.

Finally, you need to understand Jon lingo. When Jon says he's recording Do What You Can with the band. He's not talking in a literal sense. He's not calling Phil, Hugh, Dave, and Tico. It's an easy way of saying that it's not some JBJ acoustic song. It's going to be recorded with instruments and produced as a real song.

The rule of thumb is, you need to go into everything with low expectations and hope to be surprised with the final result.

Overall, of the 4 songs we've heard from the new album, I don't hate them. They will never compare to the classics. It's all just repeat and recycle but I'm still happy to get new music. Sure they get old quick but they blend nice in a shuffle. I'm hopeful that there will be a few on the new album that I'll like. There always are.

I can pick four songs from each album (Burning Bridges, What About Now, and This House Is Not For Sale) and make a good playlist to enjoy.





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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265796)

It's just like everything else in life. Priorities shift, music changes, technology takes over, short cuts become the new normal.

Cost also becomes a factor. I don't think Shanks charges Jon more to lay down a standard bass track and use a drum kit on a song that really has no main purpose.

And let's not forget that without Richie, it's no longer Bon Jovi the band. It's now the Jon Bon Jovi band featuring Dave and Tico when needed. Mainly for touring and playing the old stuff.

Finally, you need to understand Jon lingo. When Jon says he's recording Do What You Can with the band. He's not talking in a literal sense. He's not calling Phil, Hugh, Dave, and Tico. It's an easy way of saying that it's not some JBJ acoustic song. It's going to be recorded with instruments and produced as a real song.

The rule of thumb is, you need to go into everything with low expectations and hope to be surprised with the final result.

Overall, of the 4 songs we've heard from the new album, I don't hate them. They will never compare to the classics. It's all just repeat and recycle but I'm still happy to get new music. Sure they get old quick but they blend nice in a shuffle. I'm hopeful that there will be a few on the new album that I'll like. There always are.

I can pick four songs from each album (Burning Bridges, What About Now, and This House Is Not For Sale) and make a good playlist to enjoy.





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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1265793)

Well, I think that the fact that we think or have doubts about how and with whom these songs has been recorded, is already a bad sign of what BJ has become as a band.

I would like to know how we got to this point, I mean, the exact moment where Jon preferred to record without his band (or without some of the members) on the albums.And what was the real reason for all this. Maybe lack of commitment from the rest of the band? Maybe Jon doesn't want to disturb them and just leaves them more time with his family before going back on a massive tour? Maybe creative differences? make everything easier? This had to happen sometime in 2004/2009 and then it got worse.

Originally Posted by TheOriginalJez (Post 1265787)

Did you see the It's My Life thing they did where Phil didn't show up until the solo? If there's a decent solo in this song then I'll agree on that point. Everyone just did their little bit. But at this point I don't think Hugh's played bass and I don't think Tico's played drums. I haven't heard ANY keys to suggest Dave's involved at all.

It's not just creative differences it's just a lacklustre performance all round on that 30 seconds.

Originally Posted by JackieBlue (Post 1265801)

I haven't seen it yet; but that doesn't surprise me. :)
From what I've seen, Phil-X doesn't seem to be nearly as excited about the band or the album as he used to be.

I get what you're saying, and I'm not arguing one side or the other. It's just that for all the songs I've seen (with the exception of American Reckoning), the credits list each of the band members, including Jon and Shanks, as "Associated Performer" and I have no reason to dispute that. But then, credits can mean everything or nothing.

My point is that I don't get the feeling that the band has had any more influence on this album (or on THINFS, for that matter) than they had on any of the other more recent releases, despite all the hype about being a "band album". So I don't understand why Jon keeps pushing that point.

But maybe RDK is right and it's just the difference between what Jon means by "band album" and what I thought it meant.

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1265811)

via iTunes, new official release date is Oct 2. Tracklist got shook up too. New one:



1.Limitless

2.Do What You Can

3. American Reckoning

4. Beautiful Drug

5. Story of Love

6. Let it Rain

7. Lower the Flag

8. Blood in the Water

9. Brothers in Arms

10. Unbroken



So the biggest changes are.....STILL TEN TRACKS. Luv Can and Shine were dropped from the record. I'm sure we'll get them as bonus tracks or iTunes exclusives.

Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1265812)

I guess for an album titled 2020, you can't ignore the two biggest issues of year.

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