I recall a lot of praise for Sambora during that first leg. This is when Jon really started slowing down. There was discussion on here about possible sciatica because of the way he was moving (and ways he wouldn't move). I remember reading on here that Richie had stepped up as a musician and performer during that time. I was at one of Sambora's last shows and he was on fire.

Bad assumption on my part, then. I took it that you were referring to the latest discourse, which was primarily me and RDK. Not a problem, either way. I was just yanking your chain a little. :)

Like reacting to only recent stuff, the problem with having one place to bitch about Richie (or rehash ancient history) is that it never starts out to be about Richie or the split. I honestly don't think that anyone is so enamored of the subject that they would go to any thread just to bring it up. It's not like anyone deliberately sets out to renew the conversation. It just grows out of on-going discussions and it's usually sparked by a relatively benign comment or question that relates to the topic but also opens the door for comments that drift further and further away from the thread topic and into a rehash. At least that how it seems to me.

That's what I remembered, too. From what I recall, I noticed that the chemistry seemed to be off at Bamboozle and later at the 12-12-12 concert. But in between those two shows, at the i-Heart festival was where I first noticed Jon's lack of energy and that he seemed to be on autopilot. Seems like there were a number of comments about Jon phoning that one in; and other ppl were saying he sounded like he might have a cold or something; but they also talked about how into it Richie was; and how good he looked and sounded. If memory serves, those same kinds of comments and comparisons carried throughout the first leg. But I've slept since then, so I could be mistaken about that.

Richie misses the fans... he has said the first conversation with JBJ was basically about FANS; I’m REALLY happy that the RSO thing is over and I hope it’s all about Richie now (I’m realist too so I don’t know about Bon Jovi...)
Anyway if there’s a concert around here I’m in!

I'm really hoping Richie surprises us all with some solo material soon... I hope he reaches into his own vault and give the fans something!!!

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In general, those are the types of comments I remember too (and Jon's back and/or knee speculation). I remember hearing a lot of "Richie carrying those shows" type of comments. The OKC show really was the best I had seen Sambora since the OWN tour.

Hey, at this point I'd be happy with a Stranger Re-issue with demos, acoustic stuff, etc. I'd love clean copies of some of the tracks that never made the album (If I can't Have Your Love - Full band version, Broken Promises, Maybelline...).

Just something...anything...

Of course in a dream world it would be followed by live shows promoting the Stranger re-release, with him playing a lot of material from the album, but i know that will never happen! I know those songs are tough for him to sing nowadays!

Can I Get A Witness
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mg6W...ature=youtu.be

What's it with the wandering around aimlessly, giving a shout out to Little Steven at his own show, shaking all over? Is he high or super nervous?

Is this from Steven old concert ?

yep, old concert: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knJF...ature=youtu.be

The Rolling Stones did this on the "50 and Counting Tour", with Mick Taylor joining the band onstage for just a couple songs each night.

I bet JackieBlue agrees with Cher (about Richie): "one of the most underrated singers ever."

https://www.usmagazine.com/celebrity...astic-surgery/

And you would win that bet, too. ;)

I always said Cher knows her stuff when it comes to music. I'll be eternally grateful to her for encouraging Richie to do SITT, which I think is one of the most underrated albums ever. She deserves a special star in her crown for that, if nothing else. :)

Thanks for the link!

I could make another bet here... hihih

P.S. And I would win that bet, too.

Go for it! :)

hahahah no way I will say it publicly, it's going to be top secret, end of story... lol

You have a lot of those...

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I think you're from New Jersey, if I'm right maybe you know some of "those" too (I mean if I can guess, you too -_-)
and I don't know if you're going to understand this post, lol...

Sure do... to both questions

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Yeah.
I wonder how many of you understood his last joke? >_< Hahah
That's awesome news!!! I just realized how much I miss his guitar sound...
Let's hope for an great album and a tour!!!!


They just don't know Richie like some of us, so they think he's drunk...
probably they would think some of us are drunks too lol, which obviously is not true.
Like I said before, maybe they even don't understand his jokes...



I agree with your last paragraph.
Let's see what happen with these 2 threads "problem"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0rk...ature=youtu.be

https://tendaily.com.au/entertainmen...-rift-20181028

Rock and roll's great survivor, Jon Bon Jovi has spoken about the ongoing rift with former band member Richie Sambora, in an interview with Lisa Wilkinson on The Sunday Project.
The 80s rocker is bringing the band back Down Under in December and Bon Jovi sat down with Wilkinson ahead of the This House Is Not For Sale tour.

For decades, the band Bon Jovi has filled arenas around the world while millions have rocked out to their anthems.

But in 2013, longstanding guitarist Richie Sambora left the band after three decades.

Frontman Bon Jovi wasn't reunited with his former bandmate until April this year, when Sambora joined the band to be inducted in to the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

But Bon Jovi maintains there wasn't a falling out, Sambora just didn't make the effort to see his band in five years.

"The truth of, the truth of the truth is he didn’t come to a show. And then he never came to see us in five years," he told Wilkinson.

"There was no falling out."

But Bon Jovi blamed Sambora's "habits" for interfering with his work with the band.

"His habits got into the way of him coming to work. And he just didn’t show up," he said.

Catch the full interview with Lisa Wilkinson on The Sunday Project on Sunday 6.30pm.

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Well, "habits"? Does it mean Jon is basically saying Richie turned to alcohol and drugs, instead of bothering to drag his ass to the gigs, and implying that it was Richie who didn't want to keep in touch afterwards? Ouch!

nice little interview.. . i really wonder after all these years and all these interviews HOW COME none of the interviewers never asked...you claimed you were brothers...one bailed and disappeared...why didnt you went the extra mile ? why didnt you approached him?
dont wanna drag this on the whole richie drama but always puzzles me. jon has constructed a story and an answer that may be true but we can all realise leaves out many side stories and factors... jon and the rest of the band may have the moral high ground since rich left them high and dry but after all these years...
imo jon was always the ceo, the guy who gave them very very well paid job. when he decided richie was a liability he moved on and took the rest of the guys with him. i dont claim he is the bad guy here but there is an obvious contradiction when you are friends with someone, know he has drug issues, disappears and then like a 15 year old claim he didnt show up, it was all him.

ps. the habits,issues, demons references in interviews that end up titles is not a kind approach. jon trying to work his good guy image paints richie in bad colours many years after the incident. in 2013 i would understand it...now sounds wrong even if it has truth in it

ps2. its time jon realises he made many mistakes as well

This nice little interview just confirms 'the ship has sailed' thing and puts the blame on the estranged guitarist. After all, "being in a band is not a life sentence." Hell, I can't see the puzzles fitting. After being a gang of bros for 30+ years, RS one day decides to leave his family without a word, because he would rather do drugs and drink his vodka at home; he somehow instantly forgets how much they did for him, how they helped him through the shitty divorce and all that sad/bad stuff surrounding it. Yeah, this is what people do. I call it bullsh*t.

Again, if you think that's all there is too it then you are deluded. Absoutley that played a part, but only a part. There is way more to this story. The Jon/Richie relationship has always been rockier than most people realise...

Personally, Richie's repsonses when asked about the split have been much more respectful. Jon's throwing Richie under the bus is not consistant with people that were "brothers" for 30 years, but a pissed of CEO...

What? You didn't get that the last umpteen times he's said it?? Same shovel. Same dirt.

Oh, and if anybody wants to know why all threads lead to Richie? Here's your answer.

Yeah, Jon's STILL pissed. Five years later and he still hasn't got over it. His responses speak volumes.

https://youtu.be/y-G4_t-vFkY

1:35 "We rehearsed Sunday,Richie didnt show up.."
There you have his habits

And that was in January... Yeah, I'd heard of that before but it's the first time I've seen the actual video, thanks! The only thing Rich could have done better was to leave BEFORE the whole tour even started. It'd have been sh*t too, but a little less smelly. It's obvious the whole thing had been simmering for a long time before it finally exploded. No way it was a one-time, spontaneous decision.

And funny how fate works, really. Back in the 90s Dave and Tico stuck with Richie. In 2013 they stuck with Jon. Man, that says a lot about the dynamics in the band...

It's funny how at the Hall of Fame press conference when they were asked in Richie would be back in for the next album, Jon implied that the decision was up to Richie, when he clearly has no intention of asking him back. The man is constantly passing the buck...

Jon states that Richie never came to see them in 5 years...that works both ways...did Jon ever call to see how Richie was when he was clearly having a hard time (around 2014/15). No of course he didn't. If it was my friend of 30 years, I would have been on the phone immediately, regardless of when went on....that's what friends and families do...

Maybe Jon's phone "gave him the finger" too. Or he drowned it while he was trying to sing in the shower... :roll:

Guess his ego is bigger than any sentiments. Look how he changed the person he'd foxhole with, too :3

If you have a band with your friends and you play the smallest places around your town,the worst thing a member of the band can do to their partners is to no show up to the rehearses giving no explanations.
Then if you have a show and a few hours prior to play,the guitarist phones you saying his not going to show up at the show,what would you do?
Then,imagine you dont play in a band with your friends,imagine you play in one of the biggest bands in the world,so it is not a hobby anymore,its your work,and you dont go tho rehearse,and finally dont show up for a show with thousands of tickets sold,with many contracts signed..
How come you are going to phone that man to ask him how he is,if he didnt have the balls to call you to explain why he diddnt show up?

You're missing the part when that person has been your friend/brother for 30 years and has been going through some shit recently. He doesn't show up for work and suddenly you don't care about them on a personal level? You don't want to make sure that they are ok?

I'm glad you're no friend of mine...

I'm pretty convinced there had been many heated discussions between Jon and Richie before the latter 'simply didn't turn up.' They are grown-up men and they had already experienced the lack of communication that almost broke the band. I can't believe they'd have risked it again, not after what almost killed them. Just can't picture that, sorry. Guess this time it was who's more important in the band, hence who had the last word. I'm also convinced the whole *rushed* album and *rushed* tour to promote it wasn't necessarily a mutual decision. For us it's a big deal because it involves a sh*tload of money, big contracts and millions of fans. For them it was definitely more personal. They are those huge rock stars but they're human, first of all. And they have the same kind of probs in life, just multiplied but at the end of the day, it all comes down to me, myself, and I. So yes, I have to agree with Jon on one thing - if your heart's not in it anymore, then you just stop doing it. The band's dynamics definitely changed in the last few years. Hell, now when I think about it, whether Rich left before or after the tour, he'd still be the one to blame. There's no way out once you're considered the fans' property. Read on some other bands and stinky things happen in all of them. Some of them survived, some not, but the smell lingers long afterwards.

Your missing the part when that friend has been by your side for 30 plus years,has been by your side when you had had problems recently as in 2007,2011 or even in 2013,and then he betrayed you this way..
Ive been by your side for 30 years and then you pay me back this way?
Yeah,your right,the word "friendship" is not the same for you than for me.
For me its a mutual thing,your there for me when i need you and im there for you when you need me.
For you its clear that friendship it is only receive,not to give.

Obviously you guys have never had to deal with a close friend that has been suffering loss, depression (the real kind, not the fake social media kind), or substance abuse. You are lucky...but feel free to carry on living in your perfect little worlds, but for a lot of people real life just isn't like that...

Oh and if you think Tico and David really get any say in what happnes in camp Bon Jovi, think again...

Also, we know that Huey is still friends with Richie...why isn't he still pissed off at Richie? I think that speaks volumes about the type of guy Huey is...

Great, now let's just start judging friendships of people we don't know personally while simultaneously making a thousand of assumptions and implications what a 'true brother' would do in a situation we know nothing about. Value added indeed.

The majority of things here his speculation. It's a forum. That's how it works! if it didn't there would be virtually no conversations here...

No one is judging. It's a discussion. I guess some people can't handle that...

For the record, unless I missed it, Tico has managed to avoid saying anything negative about Richie, too. Not that it matters, because you're wasting your time, anyway. These guys are going to believe everything Jon says and nothing he doesn't. It's all crystal clear to them because Jon's word is gospel, no matter how many times he contradicts himself or rewrites history. It's all there in black and white. There's only one side to the story, and Jon has told us everything we need to know. Jon has never lied, never been disloyal, never let anybody down. He's never aired the band's dirty laundry. We know this, even if he's never said it in so many words, because Jon has said, over and over, that he has "integrity".

There's no need to consider anything beyond what Jon has spoon-fed us because... well, because he's Jon. And everybody knows that Jon always tells the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

The Disciples of St. Jon the Immaculate have spoken.

"It's the written law... End of discussion!"