Says nothing for 40 years, talks about it once and he's "happy to air dirty laundry"?

To be fair, if he's mentioning it in a throwaway interview, they probably talk about it in the Doco.

But saying anything like this is positive for the doco. It's not great for the Alec camp, but I think it shows he really is going into their career, to quote Jon "warts and all."

Guys but Shine from 2020 album and Shine the title in the WAN sessions aren't related right?


I read most probably here in one discussion after or earlier the release of 2020 album that on one interview someone asked to someone in BJ camp (maybe Jon) if some songs were originally written for the previous albums and the answer was probably affirmative but without say yes or no...

We have no way of knowing. A song called Shine was on the white board for the WAN sessions. For the 2020 version Phil (and I think David?) did not play on it. I'm leaning towards it being the original track worked on but it's such a niche subject I doubt anyone will tell us.

I feel like it's a bit too late to ask this, but would anyone please share the original 2020 tracklist? I can't find it anywhere.
Except for a moment here and there it does nothing to me much like WAN and THINFS but I'm willing to give it another shot if the original tracklist flows better.

Beautiful Drug
Unbroken
Limitless
Luv Can
Brothers In Arms
Story of Love
Lower the Flag
Let It Rain
Shine
Blood In The Water

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One song churned out by Guns recently.

I think it's bad. Different, but bad. Axl on chorus is like a caricature of himself, like AI making fun of him.

Other song before that ("Perhaps") is worse though. Like a tired, uninspired take on their past.

The GnR song that leaked at the same time, Monsters, was excellent. Unfortunately The General was poor and Prehaps was just about ok.
These are all songs that didn't make Chinese democracy

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https://www.youtube.com/live/7z6uYpb...Hz0c_hbnlCjlzS

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https://youtu.be/JqA-R8hY3Is?si=vAjiaHfJfaYL3vY_

well you learn something every day - apparently Jon only named band Bon Jovi as Runaway was originally released when Jon was a solo artist and he didnt want people to think a band with another name was covering runaway when released as Bon Jovi.

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Brave of him to assume that the wider public was aware of the song in the first place before Bon Jovi was formed :D

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Probably the only photo on the Web of Jon with also Andreas Carlsson.


https://m.facebook.com/desmond.child...453986/?type=3

Man on that photo Jon looks like 2 years older than New Jersey album, so youthful

I never seen this complete episode, just some parts.

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Small piece in NYT confirming possible tour dates next year and a bit more thought process around the voice and the album.

‘My problems started about a decade ago. In 2013, we had the number one tour in the world, and I was great for 100-plus shows. But in 2014, I wasn’t really making any music, which was hard psychologically. Then some of the recordings and shows we did, especially after 2017, were challenging — my range seemed to have narrowed and it was becoming difficult to sing consistently. But none of the professionals I saw could figure it out.

In March 2022, a doctor in Philadelphia explained that one of my vocal cords was atrophying. I thought I could get my voice back in shape if I just did enough shows, so I went back on the road. But it was a struggle. Finally, that June, I had an implant put [inside the cartilage of my larynx] to bring my [vocal folds] together. There was no singing at all for the first six weeks. Then I started speech therapy. I have rehab four times a week. But I’m still not sure what to expect. Yesterday when I was rehearsing with the band, I had a rough go with the song “Limitless” from the album “2020” [released by the group that same year]. I said, “Guys, I only ever sang this song when I was broken. I don’t know how to sing it not broken.” If I had the word “lay,” I’d put an “E” on the end of it to try to push it up to pitch: “layeee.” But right after that, I popped the high notes on [our 1986 hit] “Livin’ on a Prayer.”

This new album’s much more of a collaborative record than the ones I’ve made in the past. It’s a celebration of my accepting any and all input and acts of kindness. It’s not been a good decade. It’s not been easy to not be the best guy in the band; it’s not easy to be the worst. It’s humbling but I don’t mind the humility. I just want my tools back. Yesterday, I pressed the point-of-no-return button and said yes, in theory, to a handful of possible shows abroad for the summer, the first ones since the spring of 2022. I’m not an applause junkie. I do it because I love to write a song and play it for people. If I have all my tools, it’ll be a joy’

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...s-rebirth.html


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He's a bit all over the place with his stories. Jon has said in other interviews he did not know he had issues until the 2022 tour when his wife told him. He claimed he believed the show she said was awful was an 8/10 until she give him a reality check. In this NYT piece, which seems more sincere admittedly, he says he knew as far back as 2014 and admits to changing words in songs.

That said, Jon seems more raw and honest in this interview. It seems like he knew the whole time his voice was in trouble but really thought he was salvaging shows with his mispronunciation of words. It sort of answers the question why he continued to take peoples money when he knew his voice was gone. He is delusional or optimistic enough to think changes he made were saving him.

I hope there is someone in his camp to tell him if his recovery does not result in being able to sing live for 2 hours. There is a chance he will not be able to make that call for himself. He says if he isn't 100% he won't tour but it looks like he cannot judge himself accurately.

Jon has never been able to keep his story straight on anything. It's why I don't take anything he says as gospel. It's just been proved so many times that his stories always changes.

At the begining of this campaign he said that the documentary is called "Thank You Goodnight" for a reason and then talks about how he many never tour again.

He's already changed that this week to say that it's not called that because of that at all and it's just because that's what he says at the end of each show...

Yeah sure, Jon, whatever you say... ;)

I think it’s totally plausible that you could both notice that your range isn’t what it was AND think you’re addressing it while not quite managing to directly look in the eye the fact that eventually it reaches a point where it’s untenable.

It’s not easy to face your own decline, especially if no one else actually tells you it’s happening.

Plausible doesn’t necessarily mean fact, of course.

When he says "handful of possible shows abroad for the summer" he's not referring to a possible 2025 tour but to some European promo shows around the time of the album release.

Ah, true, I misspoke. Thanks! It’ll be interesting to see what (if anything) gets announced when.

Never thought I would see Jon admit that. Wow

I had the same reaction. That's extraordinarily honest of him.

https://youtu.be/LabsllrQZ-A?si=WwUFAFHABh5DFQXo

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Perhaps the biggest benefit of Hampton Water for fans is Jon understanding you need to do media differently these days. Some of the stuff he has been doing, such as the pizza thing in New York with the Barstool guy or Men's Health are forcing him to be less scripted than say a Jimmy Kimmel. I think we have seen more of Jon in most natural settings in the last six months than we have seen in the 40 years prior.

Apologies if this has been posted already but I've just seen this of JBJ going through his old clothes etc - pretty cool - crazy that he still has all of thosse things

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Ahh whoops - missed that link :rolleyes:

If I remember correctly, that was one of the first vids they put up on the Experience when they started.

I'll post this here, perhaps it's appropriate. Eddie Vedder of Pearl Jam talks about how producer pushed them in studio for their newest album. I think it transpires well my thoughts of why Jovi, having an insider/pal producer, cannot even in theory be pushed the same. And we are talking about Pearl Jam, one of rare equally large and iconic bands who can pay and hire whoever they want.


“He’d start to piss me off a little bit.” EDDIE VEDDER talks working with producer ANDREW WATT on their album “Dark Matter,” and the process behind writing PEARL JAM’s new song “Wreckage.”

“I can’t remember a thing. I really don’t,” Vedder said in a recent interview on Apple Music 1 with Zane Lowe when Lowe asked him what was going on the day he wrote “Wreckage.” Vedder then continued, recalling how Watt pushed him and the band and that he just wanted to get the song done:
“A lot of it I think was written on the mic. I think probably that one was a lot of just... And Andrew would, to be honest, he'd start to piss me off a little bit and then I'd try to do something really good just to say like, ‘**** you. Back off.’ Seriously. I would be like...

There was one day I said, ‘Look, I need tonight off, or I need to sleep or I need to do something, but you have... Work with Mike [McCready] on this. Just, I'm trying to buy myself frigging eight hours or 10 hours of not... I just need to clear.’ Because we're already 15 days in a row of just, go, go, go. He said, ‘I get it. I totally get it. Little dude, I'm with you. I will stay an extra three weeks, whatever it takes, I will do this, I will do this.’ I said, ‘Okay good, because come on it's going good, but something's going to break here.’

“He said, ‘So how about this? You go home at 10:00, but before you go, if you get the bridge on the Stone [Gossard] thing and then the outro on the other... Oh, and then if we can just do... And stay with us here, we're going to record that other thing..’ So then that was one of those things I was like, ‘All right, give me 10 minutes.’ I went in and f*ckin’ wrote and sang it and I just wanted to get the f*ck out... I just needed eight hours to myself.

“And let me clarify so I don't have to call him and apologies, let me clarify that… that was part of being pushed and we should be pushed. And maybe when you're starting to feel a little shaky and vulnerable or whatever, that could be the opening to access some of the deeper shit that might be normally closed down. It's not like you have just a zipper. It's like you get into these layers and maybe being on edge might be, I think ended up being helpful. And so I appreciate the fact.

I mean, look, the whole band we started this group as kind of, where we all picked up instruments, because in some ways it was a f*ck you to authority or parents who wanted you to have a real job or whatever. I think that's always been in us. So to have Andrew gave us a fire, it wasn't we were fighting with him, but it was good to be pushed. And I don't think some of it would've happened quite the way it did if we hadn't been.”

Did any of you catch that recent interview by Jon, where he says he had "hundreds of girls" cause he ain't no saint, after all, he is "Jon Bon Jovi", a rockstar?

It got on my facebook feed, I lost it then.
But it's already been news here, and reception is bad.
I don't get why he needs to stroke his ego this way now in public, after all positive PR about long term marriage, etc.

When JBJ plays the poster boy for long-term marriage with teenage girlfriend he's a ****ing hypocrite for we all know he cheated so many times on Dorothea, when he tells the truth about him stepping out of marriage he shouldn't do it either. This guy can never get it right here lol.

It's not that he shouldn't, but it's completely out of character for him. He used to get his adulation through No.1 albums and tours, guess he has need to replace it somehow, but this way is really shallow.

Everybody knows he's a rockstar, no need to downgrade himself like that, and this if catches headlines, very much can bring him trouble home.

What's next, interview saying ofc he f*cked LeAnn Rimes?
I'm just commenting, it's out of character for a man so worried about his "legacy"

I think this must be a slow news time in the US. Jon has said for years that he was "no saint" and his wife said she just wanted him to come home. So he wasn't a saint, but he did come home to her so I think that should be the end of the story.

Found it, if somebody didn't see this segment

https://nypost.com/video/jon-bon-jov...ock-star-days/


I don't really care either way, I just very much disliked that line: "I'm Jon Bon Jovi" and that facial expression, so cheap for 3 seconds ego elevation. It's always understood, you just smile and say "go figure" or something

That would be a gold digger mentality lmao

Ofc that part could be referring to before getting married or having a family.

Disappointment in Jon's behavior comes with the presumption that Dorothea has been a saint.

True, for one who would be disappointed in his behaviour.

Me personally, I don't really care. Even more, without his infidelity we don't get Bed of Roses directly, etc. etc., I'm not for moral judgements.

But I am interested in his persona, character, his own rationalizations. I learned about business and music industry much just by observing his moves and behaviour.

I do think he grew too calculated, too cynical, everything with a cunning plan, nothing sincere, it was like this for 20 years. I mean, he's talking about "joy" even pre-2022 tour. And "joy" is the selling point for Forever again.

That's why I'm still undecided is he really changed, or is it again new bullshit selling. Perhaps a little changed? I liked him much in recent promo and in documentary. Fragile finally. I don't mind that he uses this fragility for promotion of the band and himself, but I do mind when he goes to cheap ego satisfaction like in that video clip. He's too good for that I would think.

Remember that rumour about Sebastian Bach and Axl Rose bashing on Jon in restaurant, and he sees them, buys them bottles of wine, they hang out, everything's good then. As I remember it (it doesn't even matter if it's true), but the impression was that he "won".

He could've gone to PR war with them, bragging how he is more successfull, No. 1 tours and albums, and where is Skid Row, etc. etc. But the PR bit was probably very calculated and very smart. This with "100 girls! I am Jon Bon Jovi, rockstar!" is not.

One thing you can certainly tell is that Jon has been in therapy. The way he has been talking and portraying himself in interviews recently and even when he appeared on a couple of podcasts during the lockdowns practically oozes that. The way he talks about mental health and self-care often sounds like he’s pretty much repeating things his therapist probably taught him. He shows more vulnerability and he also seems lighter and more jocular again these days.

His vocal issues clearly had a huge impact on his mental health - at first he was in denial about how bad they even were, and when he finally couldn’t lie to himself anymore he tried everything he could to push past them as we saw in the documentary, but it still wasn’t enough and he wasn’t in control of what was happening. For a guy like Jon who clearly always needs to be in control of the important stuff in his life, it was probably very hard to deal with the fact that he wasn’t in control of the one thing that could make or break his entire career and life’s work anymore.

So I think the way he is treating his vocal issues now and using them for PR might be his way of getting his power back and taking control of his own narrative again. Is it calculated in a way? Probably, yeah, but I don’t think the cold hard business side of things is the driving factor there, but rather his own personal way of (mentally) healing and coming to terms with the situation while being in the public eye.


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