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Dragula 06-11-2022 07:26 PM

Secret Dreams.... so underrated
 
This is such an awesome song. I've searched but can't find any live performances. Have they ever played this live?

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rokuli 06-11-2022 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragula (Post 1281894)
This is such an awesome song. I've searched but can't find any live performances. Have they ever played this live?

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Probably no, at least theres no live recordings of it. Only song Tico Torres ever got writing credit. Thats really odd! He mustve contributed quite a lot....considering Hugh got no credit at all for his huge bass lines!

Alphavictim 06-11-2022 07:55 PM

Pretty good song; I remember liking it a lot when I first got the album. Does anybody know who Bill Grabowski is?

FighterBJ 06-11-2022 08:17 PM

It is also one of my favourite Jovi songs, unfortunately it never had a live performance as far as I know. But we still have no setlist info on Sapporo 1985 :D

Johny 06-11-2022 11:24 PM

I love it! I believe that with better production, it would be a great song (that actually applies to the whole album). Another weird track I love is Price Of Love, dunno why, I just do.

rolo_tomachi 06-11-2022 11:42 PM

A treasure. Such an underrated album, love the riffs and guitar work, Jon's passion singing every damn song with that great energy all over the record.

Javier 06-12-2022 06:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1281899)
I love it! I believe that with better production, it would be a great song (that actually applies to the whole album). Another weird track I love is Price Of Love, dunno why, I just do.

It's all about the pre-chorus with that one!! What they started with Runaway and shot through the heart continued to get better with Price of Love and by Prayer they perfected it. This band has amazing pre-choruses on a lot of songs....

Dragula 06-12-2022 09:00 AM

The Hardest Part Is The Night is another gem. That album was pretty awesome. I wish they would have played more of those earlier songs over the years.

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rokuli 06-12-2022 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1281901)
It's all about the pre-chorus with that one!! What they started with Runaway and shot through the heart continued to get better with Price of Love and by Prayer they perfected it. This band has amazing pre-choruses on a lot of songs....


True! Actually strong part c on price of love too! The one before solo starting with drums+gtr only!

I always cherish how masterfully prayer is crafted! Its got evrything and to me its maybe the best song of the 80s altogether! Every part, every note, every instrument is perfect! Talk about perfect production! And Sambora plays Hugh`s bass line as guitar solo -> brilliant!!

Alphavictim 06-12-2022 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1281899)
I love it! I believe that with better production, it would be a great song (that actually applies to the whole album). Another weird track I love is Price Of Love, dunno why, I just do.

Musically, Price of Love is probably my fav of the album just behind The Hardest Part is the Night, but man... "a master in the art of romance" or "practicing his love lies he runs to his wife and you're left holding the knife"... those are some rough lyrics.

On the other hand, the mention of telephone calls seems super early 80s. Seemed to be a hip thing to mention back then. It's fun!

DryCounty 06-13-2022 10:10 PM

Interesting song and pretty great one. First, Tico as a songwriter and second, who is Bill Grabowski? I've tried to do some research about that guy but can't find anything.

Here's a Tico quote from 1986, talking about the creation of the song.

https://i.ibb.co/CKwXWy7/rsz-1sk-rma...-kl-220404.png

Tico's Tom Tom 06-14-2022 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1281913)
who is Bill Grabowski? I've tried to do some research about that guy but can't find anything.

Check out: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/rick_and_the_rivals

"Bill graduated from West Chester University, taught music, and shared an apartment with Jon Bon Jovi while living in New York City. During that period he collaborated with Bon Jovi on several songs and has gold-record award (on the walls of the recording studio he operates in Brownstown, PA) for 7800° Fahrenheit. He was also Grammy-nominated for arranging and producing "Send Her Roses" by The Jan Lewan Band. LegitSound Studio is his full-time business today."

As far as I can tell, the LegitSound Studio may no longer be in business.

DryCounty 06-14-2022 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Tico's Tom Tom (Post 1281923)
Check out: https://rateyourmusic.com/artist/rick_and_the_rivals

"Bill graduated from West Chester University, taught music, and shared an apartment with Jon Bon Jovi while living in New York City. During that period he collaborated with Bon Jovi on several songs and has gold-record award (on the walls of the recording studio he operates in Brownstown, PA) for 7800° Fahrenheit. He was also Grammy-nominated for arranging and producing "Send Her Roses" by The Jan Lewan Band. LegitSound Studio is his full-time business today."

As far as I can tell, the LegitSound Studio may no longer be in business.

Thanks! Did not know that! Interesting that he lived with Jon. Wonder if there’s any way to get in touch with the guy. Would be cool to hear about his involvement from the man himself!

Tico's Tom Tom 06-14-2022 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by DryCounty (Post 1281924)
Thanks! Did not know that! Interesting that he lived with Jon. Wonder if there’s any way to get in touch with the guy. Would be cool to hear about his involvement from the man himself!

I'm not sure how current any of this information is, but here's all I was able to find on the web:

Legit Sound
148 School Lane Ave
Brownstown, PA 17508
Lancaster County
Phone : 717-656-0850
Contact Person: William Grabowski

Captain_jovi 06-15-2022 07:08 PM

Something very fun about Tico's only two inclusions having the word "Dream" in the song titles.

Dts broker 2014 08-02-2022 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1281937)
Something very fun about Tico's only two inclusions having the word "Dream" in the song titles.

You have a point on that!

The whole album was a mess from the very beginning.
In addition, T has a song that he wrote with Franke and the Knockouts that I cannot recall at this point. The album is solid for me, and most of the songs are really good, so I'm not sure why Jon keeps it hidden.

Tico appears to be on background vocals on all songs from the album credits.

B.J. Always 08-12-2022 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Alphavictim (Post 1281904)
Musically, Price of Love is probably my fav of the album just behind The Hardest Part is the Night, but man... "a master in the art of romance" or "practicing his love lies he runs to his wife and you're left holding the knife"... those are some rough lyrics.

On the other hand, the mention of telephone calls seems super early 80s. Seemed to be a hip thing to mention back then. It's fun!

These posting made me think of how long it has been since I listened to 7800°F.
https://www.udiscovermusic.com/stori...renheit-album/ This is what Jon said about the album later. I found it strange that in this article Richie is referred to as a "Guitar figurehead". The article is current (2022), but what Jon said about the album was from 1996. I figure the feeling about the album was because the record company had the band under pressure. Also it was an album before "The Album".

Rdkopper 08-14-2022 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Dragula (Post 1281894)
This is such an awesome song. I've searched but can't find any live performances. Have they ever played this live?

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100% Agree.

I posted something similar years ago.

Those first two albums don't nearly get as much credit as they deserve for whatever reasons.

Jon's vocals alone ar worthy enough not to mention the killer guitars, catchy hooks and melodies.

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