Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1115162)

It wasn't an instruction. You've admitted yourself that it may not have been. You have admitted that so therefore it "clearly" wasn't anything. I'm telling you it wasn't an instruction. Why are you still arguing?

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 1115433)

Because you're arguing. You say its an "opinion", but can't admit that you worded it wrong. The sky isn't red even though you say it is.



I've never counted, about 20. Most of my friends and family liked the 80s Bon Jovi, most don't like what they're doing now.



Learn to read, dear Ron Jeremy. My definition? I've never given you my definition. I've quoted Wikipedia and I've given you an example how none of what you think is ironic actually isn't. My definition of irony, as of right now, could be summed in a single word: RonJovi.

You keep making me repeat myself, but if that's what it takes, then: Irony is a situation in which there is an incongruity between the literal and the implied meaning.

And I'll repeat it again, nothing like it happened here. YOU say it did, because YOU thought something happened, when it didn't. YOU can think it's ironic all you want, but YOU would be wrong.



Of course I do. I can tell anyone pretty much anything I want, as long as I'm not breaking the law. I also make sure that I don't tell people what to like or dislike, because I find that extremely irritating and stupid.



I never once called you anything. Read the posts back. I'm very careful with things like that, because it's not allowed here and threads can be locked because of it. YOU on the other hand did it a bunch of times and if I wanted to, I could report you to the mods. But I haven't, but it seems to be the wrong move, as you keep continuing. Maybe I should report you?



Oh, look, another assumption and attempt at irritating me with the names. And yes, you are "riled", otherwise you wouldn't need to resort to name-calling and juvenile acts like calling me "Alanis". You've even gone to the lengths of digging up my profile, possibly even my old posts. So yes, you are "riled" up, one could even say "obsessed".

No, my life is not on this board. In fact, my life is so filled with other, more important stuff, that I can not spend enough time on the web discussing and doing the things I like, even though I'd want to.

And even though I don't need to tell you a thing, I will let you know how I gathered those posts.

I first came to DryCounty in 1995. Been here ever since, more or less. I was very active on the bonjovi.com chat and even had a web site dedicated to all the regular chatters there. After Bonjovi.com chat and messageboard closed I started frequenting this place, as BSWJBJ was just utter crap.

We used to have long discussions about everything in the early 2000's, with dozens of posts in a day. After that I've had many years that I hardly posted here, mainly because of people like you that won't allow people to say and think what they want and tell them to leave the board. Got tired of the single-mindedness of the new-Bon-Jovi-lovers and decided that I didn't need assholes like that even on a messageboard. And mostly, because I think Bon Jovi's music since 1998 has been mostly crap.

Then, when the old posters started coming back, I came back. But I check the board when I have the time, which isn't all that much now, about once a day. Most of the time it's just the same old I-love-Bon-Jovi-so-much -crap that I don't bother to read nor post. But when people like you bring up the "you're not a real fan", I'll respond, if for nothing else but to make you think about your "opinons".

So, no, you're nothing new, you don't have an effect on how I think, you're nothing special. I've seen the likes of you come and go so many times that I do'nt even remember all of their names anymore. Every once in a while one of you creeps comes along, tells others what to think and how to act, claim you didn't do it and then fade away.

So, keep at it. Keep up the name-calling, denying your posts, dismissing direct quotes and believing that you know best. Keep telling people that they shouldn't post here and how you know what they should be listening. Keep telling everyone how you're a "big boy". I'm sure that makes you happy.

Ice

Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1115439)

God....I've participated in loads of useless, meaningless, pointless debates on this forum, especially with Iceman (yes yes, both of use are guilty Iceman)

But this must be the most useless, meaningless, and pointless conversations of them all. Well done to the two of you.

And I can't believe this was allowed to go on....while my Judas Priest topic was closed, when it was actually entertaining and lots of people were participating in it.

Come on mods, show some consistency!

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 1115433)

Because you're arguing. You say its an "opinion", but can't admit that you worded it wrong. The sky isn't red even though you say it is.



I've never counted, about 20. Most of my friends and family liked the 80s Bon Jovi, most don't like what they're doing now.



Learn to read, dear Ron Jeremy. My definition? I've never given you my definition. I've quoted Wikipedia and I've given you an example how none of what you think is ironic actually isn't. My definition of irony, as of right now, could be summed in a single word: RonJovi.

You keep making me repeat myself, but if that's what it takes, then: Irony is a situation in which there is an incongruity between the literal and the implied meaning.

And I'll repeat it again, nothing like it happened here. YOU say it did, because YOU thought something happened, when it didn't. YOU can think it's ironic all you want, but YOU would be wrong.



Of course I do. I can tell anyone pretty much anything I want, as long as I'm not breaking the law. I also make sure that I don't tell people what to like or dislike, because I find that extremely irritating and stupid.



I never once called you anything. Read the posts back. I'm very careful with things like that, because it's not allowed here and threads can be locked because of it. YOU on the other hand did it a bunch of times and if I wanted to, I could report you to the mods. But I haven't, but it seems to be the wrong move, as you keep continuing. Maybe I should report you?



Oh, look, another assumption and attempt at irritating me with the names. And yes, you are "riled", otherwise you wouldn't need to resort to name-calling and juvenile acts like calling me "Alanis". You've even gone to the lengths of digging up my profile, possibly even my old posts. So yes, you are "riled" up, one could even say "obsessed".

No, my life is not on this board. In fact, my life is so filled with other, more important stuff, that I can not spend enough time on the web discussing and doing the things I like, even though I'd want to.

And even though I don't need to tell you a thing, I will let you know how I gathered those posts.

I first came to DryCounty in 1995. Been here ever since, more or less. I was very active on the bonjovi.com chat and even had a web site dedicated to all the regular chatters there. After Bonjovi.com chat and messageboard closed I started frequenting this place, as BSWJBJ was just utter crap.

We used to have long discussions about everything in the early 2000's, with dozens of posts in a day. After that I've had many years that I hardly posted here, mainly because of people like you that won't allow people to say and think what they want and tell them to leave the board. Got tired of the single-mindedness of the new-Bon-Jovi-lovers and decided that I didn't need assholes like that even on a messageboard. And mostly, because I think Bon Jovi's music since 1998 has been mostly crap.

Then, when the old posters started coming back, I came back. But I check the board when I have the time, which isn't all that much now, about once a day. Most of the time it's just the same old I-love-Bon-Jovi-so-much -crap that I don't bother to read nor post. But when people like you bring up the "you're not a real fan", I'll respond, if for nothing else but to make you think about your "opinons".

So, no, you're nothing new, you don't have an effect on how I think, you're nothing special. I've seen the likes of you come and go so many times that I do'nt even remember all of their names anymore. Every once in a while one of you creeps comes along, tells others what to think and how to act, claim you didn't do it and then fade away.

So, keep at it. Keep up the name-calling, denying your posts, dismissing direct quotes and believing that you know best. Keep telling people that they shouldn't post here and how you know what they should be listening. Keep telling everyone how you're a "big boy". I'm sure that makes you happy.

Ice

Originally Posted by Beaky (Post 1115449)

What he said...

There is no definition of a 'real fan'. But being bullied and told to 'post somewhere else' or questioned about why you frequent a message board because you dare to suggest that this band, our band, my band as much as anyone else's, are not what they once were live/in the studio or whatever opinion we wish to express... it's our right.

This album as divided fans, new and old but the biggest issue I can see is that those who are pro-anything and everything Bon Jovi do, those who like it before they've even heard it, tend to be very concerned when someone disagrees. Have your opinion, share it, fine. But Ron and others like you... the problem here was you degenerated an actual discussion into name calling (the whole 'Alanis' thing was embarrassing) just to divert attention away from the fact that someone was trying to actual DEBATE with you; if you had a point, it got lost under the fluff, bluster and bravado.

Anyway... got a copy from a friend last week and no, I won't be buying the album. Reviewed it elsewhere.

Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1115438)

Okay, I'm not arguing. I said it wasn't an instruction, you admitted it might not have been. Seems we are in agreement no?

Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 1115462)

No, we're not. I still say that you claim it to be something that it isn't.



Read. The. Damn. Post. I don't define irony, it's Wikipedias definition. There are loads more, each different. Every dictionary and encyclopedia as one. But what is missing in all the definitions you quote, are parts of the actual definition. Irony, outside literature, needs a thing or a situation to be expected to happen, then the expected thing not happening, resulting in an amusing result, opposite of what was expected. That didn't happen here, thus your use of the word "ironic" was misplaced and wrong.



I can't believe you still don't get what this conversation is about.



"Anything" is quite clearly an exaggeration. And "not too keen on" was perhaps badly worded, but the message was clear. They'd rather listen to a whole bunch of other albums before touching WAN. And I can't give you exact numbers, because I haven't asked them or conducted a study, and that would be pointless anyway. It's not me saying what Bon Jovi fans listen to, it's you. You should be the one sharing the facts you base your arguments on, not me.



That's not name calling, it's me having fun with you not understanding (or even reading) the Alanis reference. And me trying to let you know, that it's both stupid and a futile attempt at being "intelligent". The song "Ironic" isn't ironic. If you're trying to be smart and calling me "Alanis" because you think I don't understand irony, THAT is ironic. Also, if you think the song "Ironic" is ironic, well, you'd be wrong. In any case, it's juvenile and stupid and your "point" missed it's mark, but still you kept using it over and over again. Good that you find it amusing.



You REALLY are running out of arguments.



Sometimes you need to lower yourself to the level of your opponent to be understood. You didn't get the message from my posts, so I had to give you an example you shold understand. I was wrong. You're too hung up on farts to get over the shock and actually read what I wrote.

Oh, and see, there at least 3 other people who agree with me. So, it's not just me, as you assumed. You've assumed an awful lot, have you ever noticed that?

Ice

Originally Posted by RonJovi (Post 1115472)

"Ron Jeremy" or "Ronald McDonald" isn't name calling? Ok then. You keep contradicting yourself.