Some facts from BJ history and what I think we can expect from new BJ album:
- Jon always tried to make Bon Jovi music fresh and modern. They change music influences very often. BJ -> SWW -> KTF -> Crush -> HAND -> LH ecc
- 2 biggest "rock" bands now are Imagine Dragons and Twenty One Pilots
- Typical rock/hard rock is dead in any charts now (albums/singles). Only Greta van fleet had big succes as a "old rock" band. But I personaly think that they time is almost over now.
- Jon loves RNRoll music but he never been big fan of Hard/Heavy bands (Richie was). He prefer Presley than AC/DC, Beatels than Led Zeppelin or J.Cash than Van Halen.
- Jon likes Pop music with many influences from other kind of music like Country, RNB, Soul, Gospel ecc. I think he love it way more than heavy metal ecc.
- I think his music taste is showing on runaway trips and events like luxury ship trip. On BJ show he do something like "1 song for you, 1 song for me" ecc.

I don't see that Jon take old Led Zeppelin songs and record them for new album (like GVF). I can see that typical Jon do like he did in 92,95,00 ecc and tell Shanks that he want sound modern as a Imagine Dragons or TOPilots. Thins ain't kind of music which needs 6 minutes solos and heavy riffs. Longs solos and heavy riff aren't popular today. Metallica, AC/DC, Iron Maiden or other nostalgia bands can do this but Jon never been this kind of frontman. Jon always wanted to be on top, record smash hits and sound fresh. This is Jon which was angry recording NJersey because he thought they didn't wrote hits yet. This is Jon who lost many fans from 80s because he changed their sound in 90s. So I can bet that IDragons and TOPilots is direction for next BJ album. I like both this bands so I'm really exciting for the new album. But I also hope that Phil give some heavy riff to this album. We'll see.

Pretty accurate, however, the problem for me is that they don't sound fresh at all while doing so. Simply because they once used to incorporate influences into their sound, yet it sounded like Bon Jovi in the end. Now too many songs just sound like any band trying to copy what's currently popular.

And I don't think that's the way to go. Jon has repeatedly stated that he doesn't have to prove anything anymore, so he should stop trying to chase hits. They're past the point of getting hits anyway. Young people in their teens or their early twenties won't turn to a band that tries to sound like what's currently popular, they'll stick to young and modern acts. And Bon Jovi live off their legacy right now which is totally fine at their age and stage of their career. But then do something to suit that age and sound, because trying the above-mentioned doesn't resonate with 40-60 year olds and these are the left-over core fan base.

He's got some talented musicians at his hands, so they should try and find a sound that suits their age and that they enjoy, then it could work.

The last time they've sounded fresh to me was with HAND and the last time there was an identity to their music was with Lost Highway. Since then it's been very interchangeable and more of the same for a good decade now.

THINFS was mainly done when there still wasn't proper clarity about the Richie situation, about the future and Phil X wasn't really there for that as well. That's different now, so either this will lead us to a sound that has some identity this time around or we'll be stuck with WAN part 4-8 for the remainder of their career.

Just my two cents on it.

I think he's being realistic and honest. There's no winning, if he said yes everyone would jump down his throat calling him Jon's yes man.

Look, whether you're joking or not you're literally tweeting at the guy how it "Can't be that hard" to have a rockier sound and more solos. "Speak up for ****s sake" etc. I don't think I'm THAT far off saying you guys are expecting him to stand up to Jon and tell him the sound the band needs. My hunch is he tried and failed because he knows he's a hired hand that has little say in the direction.

Until anyone can prove that he hasn't done all those things ("Saying 'would a solo be good here?' - 'How about this riff?' etc is being part of a team. Giving a suggestion. Making your part of the input worthwhile.) giving him shit for it is pointless. Just my opinion.

Mate I also told him to say I stand by his nan wig. I'm not being serious. Obviously.

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That’s a SHITE comment.

Nice. You're learning.

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It's very simple for me... It's not about guitar solos, song lyrics, or any of that other fluff... Sure that's all important and helps but it's all about the vocal loss...

During the early albums, Jon had natural raw talents who could write about anything or just sing anything he wanted and it was fail proof. His range, delivery, and passion were in every note that came out of his mouth. He was bullet proof...

Now he's completely relying on other means to compensate for those lost talents and the music isn't coming across as being natural anymore. Yeah, it sounds like Jon but it's not Jon... His range is shot, everything is in a safe key, and there is no longer a passion in delivery. That's why everyone went crazy over 'Who Would You Die For'... That was the last decent attempt as far as I'm concerned.

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Did you learn anything from me??

i disagree,
david coverdale has lost his voice but recently he released with whitesnake a fantastic rock album and it kicks ass,
bon jovi does not produce quality rock music anymore and that's the problem,
no one cares about songs like knockout,roller coaster,because we can and all that other bullshit

Definitely two of the worst days in Jovi history were listening for the first time on that radio We Weren’t Born To Follow and Because We Can like a lead singles >_<

Knockout and Rollercoaster are TOO simple... I don’t listen them anymore (studio/live versions)

btw Phil X has said he’s posting one of his videos (with his band) per month and that this month song doesn’t have guitar solo but the rest of songs do have guitar solos, so I guess we’ll hear how he sounds... Lol

Phil X will not do much on the new BJ album, and I think J Shanks will have a more important weight on the guitar, at least on the studio album.

Time will tell. So far Phil has done all the solos and has been tracking guitars with John. As far as this weird universe goes, this is the best of the outcomes I guess.

A song about military women....hahahahaha. What’s next, a ditty about a guy who runs a fruit and veg stall?

What was the last great guitar riff they wrote/recorded?


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People that are expecting the sound to be different just because Phil is recording on every song only need to remember that he played (and did the solos) and sang backing vocals on Walls and When we were us. If the sound changes it's because Jon wanted it to change.....

probably HAND and Last Man Standing.

It's all subjective. I thought there was a handful of decent riffs on THINFS but people are stubborn and if it doesn't fit their view it doesn't count.

Fully expect this to be THINFS pt 2


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Think so too, even more bc not much has changed since then, if anything :rolleyes:

Phil's inclusion of playing on the whole album is a great example of things changing that people don't include because (see above).

I'm still hesistant to see whether his inclusion is only "technical" or if it helps make the sound more varied and interesting. Especially in terms of guitar playing that'd be desperately needed.

Yep, especially when John Shanks is a producer, composer-writer and guitar in all of this, I doubt that Phil's contribution is strong, rather it will be diluted.

If there are some interesting guitars, I bet it will be a contribution of John Shanks.

Sure but that's not my point. The outcry is that there is nothing separating this and the last album. This is something different. It at least has the chance to have a different sound. "I doubt that Phil's contribution is strong, rather it will be diluted." is all some fine crystal ball talk but at least they're adding him in at the beginning.

Phil X: "That's MY first time, recording with the band from the ground up, so that was kinda cool."

According to Phil X, new album no similar to THINFS...
https://mobile.twitter.com/TheRealPh...67674600296448

Thank God!!!

Aloha !

It'll be similar, but according to Jovitalk, it'll be "a step into the right direction."

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I don't have any reason to doubt Phil. Personally I think the album will have more than a nod to country music which I will be more than happy with.

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To be fair Phil isn't really going to say "yeah, it's more of the same old shit" or "It's not as good as THINFS" is he??

I'm sure he feels more invested in this one has he's been there from the start, so it's going to feel better all round for him....

With Shanks producing it's unlikley to change in sound very much though...

But he could have said the album is similar to THINFS. If he says its not, I believe him.

I think he's pretty aware that most of the fans are not very positive about THINFS....saying that the album is similar will not provide any excitement whatsoever for the album...

Or he could have dodged the question entirely if he felt that way. He's very outspoken and says what he's feeling regardless of potential consequences, I just don't have any reason to think he's lying about him thinking the sound is different. You don't go from too open to that.

As always on this board, people get too sentimental or too tough...
Of course at the end... We have to wait until listen it with our owns ears to a proper verdict

Here is my issue:

Every time I look on social media, Jon is everywhere but making an album... He's at a gala one day, in Vegas another, signing wine bottles somewhere else. "Hey Jon! Aren't you supposed to be making a kickass album?"

Not sure how many songs Jon wrote but there is no way they got through an entire album in that time frame... I remember day one, song one. And then maybe a few posts after that... And that's it! 20 plus songs completed... At that rate, Jon can put out new albums every four months.

Or is this where the 10% of Jon fades out and 90% of Shanks takes over.... It's the John Shanks project featuring Jon Bon Jovi on vocals...







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My point is that maybe it sounds different to Phil because he is more involved with it and is close to the creation of it. Often when you are close to a project you can't always be the most objective. Which IMHO is part of the problem with Shanks being so involved in everything...

We will have to wait and see...

Glued to this computer till tour

https://www.instagram.com/p/BxVYh8znjFW/

God I cringe when I see the likes of Shanks and Matt BJ on social media, feels like they're piggybacking off the success of the band or just talking pure nonsense. Even Big Jesse is getting in on the act with his "pink water!". At least he's selling a tangible product I suppose.

I think Phil is actually the person to look to, he's got a great social media presence and he doesn't seem to have let his association with Bon Jovi go to his head.

?????
On the comment section, Phil X said to Shanks: “sexy bitch”

Well the latter part is correct.

I might have missed it but did someone say the album was done?

No, but it seems that you missed the point. It's the disconnect from Jon and his ownership transfer to Shanks which has been a continuing issue with current albums.

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I understood what you're saying, loud and clear and I agree with it. You made the point

"Not sure how many songs Jon wrote but there is no way they got through an entire album in that time frame... I remember day one, song one. And then maybe a few posts after that... And that's it! 20 plus songs completed... At that rate, Jon can put out new albums every four months. "

Implying the album was done, 20 songs completed. I'm only asking if we know that the album is done. From everything I've read, the album is being done in batches. Hell, they could still be in pre-production mode on the rest of it with a few songs in the can.

I really don't like that Shanks can work on the album with Jon not there but I guess its too late in the game to complain about that.