Where has the REAL Jon gone?
Just listen to this live version of IBTFY (from May 2011):
https://youtu.be/jqImfJEV0EA Or this version of Always (from June 2013!!!!!): https://youtu.be/h11Gz6M8nRs Jon's passion and artistic creativity used to be astonishing. Night after night, gig after gig, year after year he ripped himself into pieces on stage, improvising and adding little things here and there, giving his absolute all EVERY SINGLE TIME. The guy put such passion in everything he did, and did it all so well. Except for a few occasional "off" moments (These Days in Alpine Valley and Hyde Park '03, Prayer in Tokyo '08, Always in Gdansk '13), up to July 2013 he sounded immense and wasn't afraid to take risks vocally or physically during his performances. Today, we have a washed-up and clearly insecure, weary-looking man standing still like a statue through (at least) 90% of EVERY SINGLE SHOW and sounding like a cat whose balls have gotten stuck in a milkshake blender. And this massive change happened within A COUPLE OF MONTHS. What the hell happened? Just compare the magnificent performances of above to these murders: https://youtu.be/nUDQw1zgd60 https://youtu.be/XpZP5Js-D3I Was JBJ replaced by the lookalike "singer" of a bad BJ tribute band? |
Sorry if I sound like a dick, but what are you trying to accomplish with this thread?
Jon never took care of his voice by a) smoking like a chimney and (more importantly) b) singing in an unsustainable manner at the top of his range. He's had many declines over the years, but it finally caught up to him and in 2013 he fell of a cliff. The end. |
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In my eyes, Jon hasn't looked to be honestly enjoying himself on stage since 2011. That didn't matter in May/June 2013 yet, as many shows were still enjoyable (Cape Town, Johannesburg, Oslo, Manchester, Birmingham, Slane, Sunderland, Berlin, Cologne, Prague, Milan, Bern), but IMO from July '13 onwards JBJ has been running more or less on autopilot. |
Its not just one thing... Its a slow regression of multiple factors...Each year/tour they lose a little more of what once made them amazing...
Jon's voice continues to regress... Losing band members, Ageing, Other Interests, Etc... This then results in a loss of confidence... When you are on a winning team, you're into it... When you are on a losing one, you want to quit... Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk |
about passuon - - artistic ---.. I d say after the nineties it was 90% gone anyway. But yes he had a passion of delivery till more recently.
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I totally agree. I'm Jon's age and it just gets harder to keep up the stamina and enthusiasm one had in the past. It's not that I don't want to keep doing what I've been doing but it gets harder and it's hard to let go. I think Jon is at that point. There is no way he can top or keep up with what he did in the past but at the same time he's not ready to totally give it up. I'm sure he recognizes he's been so lucky getting to have been (be) a "rock star" which only a handful of people ever become so the giving it up and moving on is terribly hard. He definitely changed overnight during the WAN tour. That tour was too much and certainly his last like that. With the book already coming out for the THINFS tour, I think it's basically over except for the foreign dates already announced. I believe JBJ will be just fine with all of his extra interests to attend to and his family but it will still sting that the glory days are certainly over. I'm so sorry to say this and feel for him. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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It declined very rapidly, but it's been quite steady from 2011. The few 2012 shows they did he sounded considerably worse, and then with each passing month of 2013 it got progressively worse. Most of your examples come from the European leg, which is somewhat of an exception, because Jon has always brought his A+ game for European crowds for decades. But still, he sounded considerably better in March-April than June-July. |
He wanted to keep the machine going....they should've taken longer break periods between albums...but mr. Bongiovi gets his kick out of filling stadiums, so he has to make "hit songs" and release albums constantly to be able to tour...that most likely ruined the band. its a shame.
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He pushed so much to be "relevant" so constantly and it actually hurt their brand a lot as he completely ruining the commercial appetite for general masses with albums and tours every 2-3 years instead of taking the U2 approach. In addition to ****ing up his pipes (or making it sooner), contributing to Richie's departure, it also prevented Jon from achieving that same goal - being big and relevant. But yeah, he added a lot of cash to his bank account, hopefully it was worth it to him... |
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No Line on The Horizon was a flop, yes. Innocence everyone got for free, and is technically the most downloaded album of all time. Also, U2 is incredibly relevant with younger people - Bon Jovi isn't. A lot of my friends are well acquainted with Achtung Baby, Joshua Tree, All That You Can't Leave Behind. Young people make fun of those who listen to Slippery. |
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Let's be real. U2 aren't relevant to younger people. Bon Jovi aren't relevant to younger people. You'll be hard pressed to find any band formed in the 80s or earlier who are still relevant with younger people. That is unless your definition of "relevant" is hits from over 10 years ago.
That's not to say that some young people aren't into older bands. But if they are, they are the exception, not the rule. Go up to any kid on the street and ask them to name a song from U2/Bon Jovi that was released in the last 5 years and 90% of them won't be able to answer you. U2 may be more popular than Bon Jovi because they are more well respected in the music industry, but among the general population the only relevance both bands have these days is due to the legacy they have made in their past (which is actually something to be proud about). |
It's been done to death. It's not just Jon's voice that has withered away either. He looks every bit his age. Loads of reasons why.
We'll never see him get back to those glory days. I've accepted it and still enjoy the new album. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk |
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The problem is, music genre popularity has drastically changed over the past few years. It's not just 80's bands... It's 90' and 00' bands as well.. |
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U2 would get the same treatment if they released 8 albums in 17 years while in thier 40s and 50s. But if they didn't, because their smart. They know how to build public appetite for new music and tours. Hell, I'm a Bon Jovi fan first and foremost, but I would get more excited about a new U2 album rather than another rushed Jovi record. |
I dunno. I've been to three U2 shows in the last two years. Who was I surrounded by? Young, energetic people jumping around having a blast. A lot of my friends love U2. The Joshua Tree is still relevant. Achtung Baby is still relevant (although it does have dated songs like Mysterious Ways on it).
When I went to Bon Jovi shows, it's all people older than 40 who can't last the whole show standing up. Both shows were excellent, both were meaningful. But one had a significantly younger audience. Also, I'm 24, and the vast majority of my peer group likes U2. I traveled with 10 people from Calgary to Vancouver all my age and younger to see the recent Joshua Tree show. If that's not proof, I don't know what is? |
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However, I don't have Bon Jovi tinted goggles on. U2 is way more relevant, and younger people like them way more. I get made fun of for liking Bon Jovi. It's socially acceptable however to be a fan of U2. |
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The REAL Jon has gone for a really long walk and left all the drama here :3
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However, you getting shit for being a fan isn't Panda's point... He's saying that U2 is more relevant with the younger generation and I'm saying he's got nothing to back this up with the exception of him getting bullied for being a fan. My Opinion: I actually don't think either band is relevant right now with kids between the ages of 15 to 21 however if one band actually has an edge, it's Bon Jovi... I think Jon is more recognizable than Bono and I also think Bon Jovi's songs are more recognizable as well... For example, if you polled 100 kids between the ages of 15 to 21, I think Bon Jovi would win the 2 above categories hands down. |
Here is a little something, not that it would matter to anyone, https://twitter.com/MelissaVHerald/s...72118488154112
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Just saw that myself Rosa and just so happens to prove my points once again...
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I can honestly say that I have never been bullied or made fun of for my tastes in music (and I have pretty wide tastes that could be considered ridiculous to a lot of Rock fans). You guys live near some real assholes....
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I think some people might be confusing "popularity" and "socially accepted" with "relevant".
Is Donald Trump cool? No. Is he relevant? Yes. Are vinyl records cool? Yes. Are they relevant? No. Like I said before, Bon Jovi and U2 have made their mark. They will be forever honoured for their anthems and worldwide legacy. Neither are relevant though. This doesn't mean that they don't have fans, or that their new music is poor quality, or that they can't sell out stadiums. It just means they no longer make a massive impact in their respective industry. I could be the one in the wrong. Maybe I'm the one seeing things incorrectly. But that's my view and explanation on the argument of relevane anyway. |
I totally agree with the above.. and I think everyone also agrees and understands...
Panda just makes up fake stats in his head that ranks U2's non relevance higher than Bon Jovi's non relevance... It's like having two empty glasses but the one on the left has more in it... Sent from my HTCD160LVW using Tapatalk |
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Why did this discussion go completely off-topic?
By the way, THIS is what I miss the most about JBJ: https://youtu.be/MfJ5MikUdSk The way he used to get carried away during songs like Saturday Night, IBTFY, KTF etc. was unique and exciting. Nowadays, he runs through about 80% of the current live set like he was thinking about something else pretty much all the time. IMO the only songs he's been truly delivering on during the THINFS tour (besides the new ones) have been LYHOM, BM and Always. |
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The thing is, Bon Jovi are widely considered as CHEESY among male-generation. I've felt this since late 80s when I was the biggest fan. After Slippery Bon Jovi wasnt allowed if you were a true metal/rock/pop/disco/whatever-head. Girls band, soft ballads. It was hard to be a dude and get bullied a bit because you were wearing Jovi-shirt...! Thats not how I felt back in the day. I always adored sognwriting skills & musicianship which were both unnoticed because of Jon's look and hit songs. BUT thats also how I feel nowdays. If today I say I dig Bon Jovi, I will always add "the 80s stuff" because later catalog isnt widely regarded as "true music" and Jon is considered as too full of himself/too serious/etc... |
You know what? Bon Jovi is STILL regarded as a rock or rock'n'roll band among people in their 20s and early 30s. I've been to a lot of clubs and all these bands and musicians play at least one of BJ songs, having so much fun doing so! BJ catalogue is so vast and diverse it's just unfair to narrow it down to SWW and some 'cheesy' anthems which work well in arenas. I haven't listened to U2 for ages, nor have I heard anyone playing their stuff live. When I talk to my friends, they know some BJ classics like IML, LOAP or Always. I can't speak on behalf of teenagers, though. They are deinifitely into the stuff you'd hear on the radio nowadays which is a shame really. Some say the 80s were kitsch but just look at the musicians today. The girls looking like whores, twerking their butts to some up-tempo songs and guys trying to either fit a macho type with their rapping or a baby boy singing about a broken heart. Do we really care what is relevant to really young people if we ourselves don't listen to that stuff either? To fully appreciate Bon Jovi songs both in the musical and lyrical content you need to be mature or at least find the reference to your own life.
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I truly cannot believe I have to say this but please let's keep the childish insults out of this debate. If all you want to do is trash someone else you will be banned. We're getting complaints and posts reported because it's getting out of hand.
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