Ok, I'll snatch this one up. BTW 3 pages ago I said something about Shanks not having written for this new record and it was wrong - sorry. Can't be arsed to do two posts though.

With this you say 15 years, I assume you basically mean since Crush which is disingenuous - Everyday was a huge hit, Bounce was big outside the states, HAND was a huge hit globally - much moreso on radio and the same can be said of Born To Follow. WAN and Because We Can are the only real flops in recent times, THINFS was not majorly promoted outside the brand and did well as a record on its own legs.

I'll agree that noone gives a shit about them playing around in the studio bar the fans (which amounts to way more people than most bands can count) but every record hits the charts - Bon Jovi is a brand that sells and there'll always be someone trying to make money off that so you might be right, the brand may be done, but I guarantee someone with a marketing budget will try to prove you wrong. "If you hang in long enough they say you're coming back
Just take a look, we're living proof and baby that's a fact
You know the more things change the more they stay the same"

How was Everyday a huge hit?

Bounce album sold more than 8 million copies, and Everyday was the only single that served as a massive showcase at the time of its release.

The early 2000's were a weird time for the charts... bands weren't releasing singles anymore, not everyone was on board with iTunes yet, YouTube wasn't born.

Certain bands were only as good as what the record company invested in them and had that "if you like the single, buy the album" mentality.

IML only peaked at #33 because it was strictly relying on radio airplay with no other sources.... However, in reality it was probably at least a top 5 hit

Point being, it's not really fair to rate a bands relevance on singles alone back then...

Everyday got decent airplay, VH1 played the video in heavy rotation and I think it even reached #1 there, it was also nominated for a Grammy. It was definitely modest. So was Misunderstood

Who Says was the last real hit the band had in America..

Memory was modest and then nothing after that.



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My memory might be a little cloudy. I remember in North America Everyday not doing much and Misunderstood getting tons of radio and video play. Overseas might be a different story all together.

I do hear a bit of MGLBIMA in DITT but....
DITT is at least 2 minutes to short, solos awful and there should be a superb guitar play out but as usual it’s half arsed.


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Please stop using initials when referencing songs. There are way too many in the catalog now... and although I figure them out 99 times out of 100, it's like resolving a riddle.

Even if you just write Who Say instead of WSYCGH...

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Finally someone say it!!!! Hahaha absolutely agree!


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Maybe not in the US, but releasing physical singles was still very much a thing in UK, Europe, Japan and Australia. I think they sold largly to the fan base though (for the B-sides) and the bigger hits were boosted by some radio play.

Everyday was a top 5 hit in England and got a decent amount of play, but the average person won't remember it. For that matter, the same goes for Say It Isn't So and One Wild Night which were top 10 hits. Even All About Loving You was a top 10, but Misunderstand did nothing.

Both Have A Nice Day and Who Says were top 10 singles too (Who Says actually made the top 5), but again I'm not really sure if anyone outside of the fan base remembers those songs? Hits, sure, but not in the same league as the 80's and 90's stuff.

Everything from Lost Highway bombed over here, and that was pretty much the end of the commercial single releases here and the band barely charted in the singles chart since then.

As far as the general public is concerned in England, the last song that they remember is It's My Life. Sad but true....

To be fair, Misunderstood was right before Christmas if I remember right which is probably why.

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How do you know that's the last song they remember? Did you take a poll recently?

There are a lot of songs that become forgotten over time... I'll shuffle through a bands catalog and get that "yes, I do remember this song" after a few listens..

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I would say, at least in Spain, that his last big hit was Have A nice Day. The rest of the singles did absolutely nothing, and "Who Says" it was invisible on the radio.

I remember when "Who Says" was supposed that they were promoting it in parts of Europe and Usa at that time by the internet info, but in Spain was kept putting in rotations Have A Nice Day, it was a song that lasted a lot in the rotations of the radio stations.

Born to Follow sounded a lot on the radio in Spain too.

On the other hand,tbe only song that remind me a bit of These Days in THINFS is Color Me In.
That is the song I most miss Richie on it.It could have had a Bitter Wine vibe.

It was all smiles in the studio this week. Day one, song one.

https://twitter.com/BonJovi/status/1106296136589991938

Day one, song one. That’s a wrap. Who’s excited?

https://twitter.com/BonJovi/status/1106338465900167168

Earlier this week in the studio...day one, song one. Keep following along today as we post a couple more.

https://twitter.com/BonJovi/status/1106239460855808000

Loving what they've been doing, this is on the right track social media wise.

That's a baby step...

Everyday was kept off number 1 by Pinks Like a pill


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And 3 other songs haha

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Umm because I live here and I talk to people. I also spend a lot of time with the rock/music community over here. Trust me, the average person on the street doesn't remember anything post It's My Life. Have A Nice Day perhaps a little more than the rest, but that's it.

Even in Rock clubs over here stuff like Have A Nice Day gets no reaction, while It's My Life/Prayer/Bad Name/Bed Medicine/Faith etc will get a huge response.

Play One Wild Night, Say It Isn't So, Everyday, etc and you just get blank looks.

But that is not only a Bon Jovi "problem".
That can also be said with a lot of the comtemporary ans older bands to BJ
What was the last song that the average people remember from U2,from Bruce,from the Stones,from Bryan Adams etc?
For me the problem is the chance of the music industry
Rock music is no longer interesting for the radios.
I dont know in your countries,but here in Spain it is imposible to liste to an average radio station and listen to a song that is not a latin song.

Born to follow vanished very quickly. But HAND was playing for many months, even years on the most important radio stations. I have fresh memory in that, because I was working in Algeciras at that time, April-May 2006, and Los 40 principales (top spain station) put Have A Nice Day among the rotating hits along....

Some other hit that spread in 2006 and that were of later releases was El Canto del Loco and Green Day, which had released their singles in 2004 and 2005. I remember that in that year, Who Says and Welcome did not sound in Spain, instead, but Have A Nice Day remained for more than a year on the radio.

About the charts, I know that Brazil has no importance on this discussion, but just as a info. Misunderstood was huge, I mean, VERY HUGE hit here. It was the time that I became a fan and I guess that's why this song is so special to me. Bon Jovi was in all over the places here.

Besides this, Bounce had the last real investment of the band in good videos. They were really trying to get some hit.

I can't say that I'm loving, but comparing with what has been done, it's already an advance. But since we had BJTV, we always will be expecting more. 30sec video is too little.

Yeah but we can't compare 2002 with 2019. The attention span of the internet wasn't what it was when Bounce was being promoted.

I never said it was...

Agree completely.

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No, 15 years ago means Have A Nice Day, which was first played in 2004 and then eventually released in 2005. It's their last global hit as crowds all over the world know the song. Sure, it wasn't as big as It's My Life but then again not many songs in their career are.

Bon Jovi charts because they incorporate downloads and "free" copies of their album to ticket sales and because of a vaste amount of people buy the album regardless of what's on it. A number 1 nowadays means a whole lot less than it did 10 or 20 years ago. Sure, it's still a number 1, but you no longer need to sell as many albums as you did back then to make it to the number 1 spot.

"Someone with a market budget" was the record company, who no longer felt any desire to prove anyone wrong. :)

They stopped backing Jon up with decent marketing scheme because of whatever Jon came up with. A lot of money went into the promotion of The Circle and it didn't get the album anywhere. Thus the record company stopped promoting it and Jon blamed the record company instead of the shit album he'd just released.

The reason this stuff doesn't get promoted is because Jon's got his "creative" freedom with the new deal and look where it got us. No one's telling him it's shit now and every album drops off the charts once every loyal fan has bought it. So I'm just not buying it. If you want people's attention you'll need to come up with something decent first. And Jon's just not making the music his fanbase wants anymore, and thus no one will be willing to invest either.

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Are they recording this album live? Or is this part of the demo process? Aren't individual tracks usually recorded separate.

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It varies. Sometimes they all record together, keep the drum track and then replace the instruments one by one. They've recorded like that in the past and a lot of bands do it like that.

They used to add instruments after...
What I see now is that everybody being in the same room, they can try different things together on the song.

Unless they had rehearsed together without us knowing that,this is part of the demo process.
This is not WAN where the band only had to record his parts.Here theres a band work,so the first step it to work the song and shape the song.
Then,when the song is done,Tico will record his drums,then Hugh the bass,and the guitars,the keys and finally the voice as you all know the process.
But yes,for me,this is the demo process RD

What I see is evidence that people can point to a couple years from now, and say, "No, I think '____ _____' really was a band album. I definitely remember seeing videos from when it was being recorded. And they were all there, in the studio, working on it together..."

And Jon will probably tell the story about how they were all in the studio, "... and day one, song one, Phil-X says to me, 'Hold on, Popeye! I think it needs something like this...' and then rips off this blazing 4-minute solo that took the song from 'okay' to 'epic'." :D :p :mrgreen:

Jon said THINFS was a band album and that was awful


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They also went to their first recording studio and it still sounds overproduced. It doen't matter if it is the same people or the same building if everything else has changed. Oh wait, not the same people, still bad.

But Jon and Co also say it is a mature album while I think most would argue against it. It is someone complaining about the world, being stubborn and so on. All fine but don't label it as something which it isn't.

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They made a video for every song on THINFS in cooperation with tidal without the RC, right? I think it was the first time that no song of a new album was played on the radio. I usually don't really listen to stations that would play BJ, so I might just have lived in my bubble. I still cannot believe they have chosen tidal a video streaming service where you need to pay to watch the videos.
Same thing with the WWWU video: product placement all over it. Probably the only way to get a video for them without paying for it. I mean has the RC done anything.

So how do other bands get their promotion when there is no money in releasing new music anymore?

i think they are recording and not simply writing demos...
they ll probably keep the rythm parts, drums-bass and probably rythm guitars and add some leads, some more synths and vocals of course.
they probably want to capture the energy of the band playing together live. otherwise i dont think they d all move to nashville to demo one song per day...not at this point of their career..
in the end it all comes down to the material, if jon has a couple more hooks and melodies in him ...
thinfs is an album that got ugly quickly, liked the idea and some lyrics but there was no magic there, at least for me..
ps.wouldnt it be great if jon invited rich for one song at least

this is a very possible scenario. I think the demos are already done, John Shanks and JBJ probably took care of that the last few months, and now it's time to recording with the band to Polish the songs and add their instruments with some arrangements to adjust the final version. Later, John Shanks and JBJ mixing the final album.

If they have planned to release the album this year, then the only way is that Jonhad pre-recorded demos before.

I think the songs are written and demoed and they're recording them from scratch with the band. That's the only scenario that makes sense if they're all recording together in a different state. They have the blueprints, record live off the floor, keep the drum tracks and replace the instruments one by one that need it.

I'm really pleased that it looks like Phil will be there for the whole process this time and not brought in at the end to do 4 solos. That could be the albums saving grace at this stage...

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I think it was Tico who said at the fan event in Sydney that Jon played the new songs to the band on the plane and they were reallygood? So that would suggest they have been recorded in some way prior to this process

I think Jon said he recorded acoustic demos into his iPhone...