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allmike 07-21-2003 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian
How bout this as the last bit in the first verse?

Not all winners win
And not all losers lose
Sometimes it'll be hard
But the price to win is truth

And here's another bit:

It won't help to complain
Our words are all in vain
Just try and remember
The only thing that's up to you
Is how you play the game

What do you guys think?

Adrian

I like it, great work . :) :D

allmike 07-21-2003 10:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian
Also, if we don't have a lead singer, you guys might want to try asking Iceman to take a look at what we've got. He'd be great!

Adrian

Is Iceman a good singer?. If you tink so, why don't u PM him and tell him to look at all these songs.

tawtami 07-21-2003 03:19 PM

depends if you want a guy or girl singing lead- if you want a girl or dont mind- id be happy to do it- i do it anyhow normally....
if you specifically want a guy tho then... fair enuff...

im trying to see if i have any examples of stuff of me singingslightly harder lines than what i can find currently....
just in case anyone wants any proof- or you can ask mongoose- i think he's heard me sing enuff to vouch for me :)

allmike 07-21-2003 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tawtami
depends if you want a guy or girl singing lead- if you want a girl or dont mind- id be happy to do it- i do it anyhow normally....
if you specifically want a guy tho then... fair enuff...

im trying to see if i have any examples of stuff of me singingslightly harder lines than what i can find currently....
just in case anyone wants any proof- or you can ask mongoose- i think he's heard me sing enuff to vouch for me :)

Although i prefer guy singing, i don't mind taking girl if she is talented and can bring that magic to the band. 8)

tawtami 07-22-2003 01:12 AM

i cant tell you whether im talented or bring magic..... ive been told i do but youd have to ask other people...

can i ask y yourd prefer a guy???

id actually prefer the option of both....

tawtami 07-22-2003 01:21 AM

can i just ask exactly what we have in this band so far?? i have read the earlier posts but people ghave come and been added etc... plus it helps whenim thinking of songs...
sara

allmike 07-22-2003 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tawtami
can i just ask exactly what we have in this band so far?? i have read the earlier posts but people ghave come and been added etc... plus it helps whenim thinking of songs...
sara

Actually it all started a fun, but Adrian and Walrus take it seriously and started writting songs and you also joined in. So many people said they will join, but nobdoy meant seriously.
But i really started like the way Adrian and Walrus done, I also love to join. But i been really busy now, but amy be from next month i also can join it seriously.

Adrian 07-23-2003 03:10 AM

I'd like the option of having both a guy and girl sing. I think having them do a song not as a special duet (Meatloaf's I'd Do Anything comes to mind), just as 2 lead singers would be really cool.

Adrian

tawtami 07-23-2003 03:13 AM

well, you never know... maybe one day there will be fruit!

hopefullybefore i die ;-)

um.. btw if anyone wants proof of my being able to sing one of my softer songs is availiable for download at www.lofter.tv/sara/exposed.mp3
right click and download, and let me know what you think!
sara

Adrian 07-23-2003 03:16 AM

Here's Win Or Lose so far? You guys like it?

You want to know how to live?
The future's so far away
I've got these words for you
Try to live in today
whats to come
It doesn't matter
Right here right now
Not what comes after
Not all winners win
And not all losers lose
Sometimes it'll be hard
But the price to win is truth


(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...

Not if you Win Or Lose

Adrian

tawtami 07-23-2003 03:22 AM

liking it so far.. yep!

allmike 07-23-2003 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian
I'd like the option of having both a guy and girl sing. I think having them do a song not as a special duet (Meatloaf's I'd Do Anything comes to mind), just as 2 lead singers would be really cool.

Adrian

I have to agree with Adrian. What about other musicians like guitarest and keyboardest and drummer, we are not able to get anyone so far.

allmike 07-23-2003 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tawtami
well, you never know... maybe one day there will be fruit!

hopefullybefore i die ;-)

um.. btw if anyone wants proof of my being able to sing one of my softer songs is availiable for download at www.lofter.tv/sara/exposed.mp3
right click and download, and let me know what you think!
sara

you should always be optimistic, you never know what can these dream bring to u.

tawtami 07-24-2003 02:39 AM

i know, and i am being optimistic.. it was 80% joke but it is a thought that unfortunately i have to contend withat the moment...

my dreams have gotten me further than i thought they ever would, and for that i am grateful.

oh, and i can play acoustic guitar anytime you want as well as sing

allmike 07-24-2003 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tawtami
i know, and i am being optimistic.. it was 80% joke but it is a thought that unfortunately i have to contend withat the moment...

my dreams have gotten me further than i thought they ever would, and for that i am grateful.

oh, and i can play acoustic guitar anytime you want as well as sing

I heard ur song and i really loved ur voice and also the song.

tawtami 07-24-2003 06:52 PM

wow, thankyou allmike..


i guess to find other people we could always start seperate posts for running it, ie a looking for a keyboardist post etc and see if anyone is up for it???

there will be people..... im sure... but for now we just keep writing.

sara

allmike 07-26-2003 09:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tawtami
wow, thankyou allmike..


i guess to find other people we could always start seperate posts for running it, ie a looking for a keyboardist post etc and see if anyone is up for it???

there will be people..... im sure... but for now we just keep writing.

sara

That is good idea , but most of them won't take it seriously. So it won't be easy.
Any way u guys keep writting the song, let see what happens.

JoviGirl 07-27-2003 03:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Right, here's my first draft 1st verse for "Back Into Dry County":

The sand still haunts me
In every one of my nightmares
Breathing deep I still can taste
That dusty desert air
Would you ever go back into Hell
If you got the chance to leave?
Would you miss the pain
Miss the burnin' heat
Miss the people who can't breathe?


Keep On Rockin'

Oh my goodness...that's great. WOW!

Adrian 07-27-2003 04:14 AM

Does this mean you're back? Do you want to participate in the band?

Adrian

allmike 07-28-2003 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoviGirl
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Right, here's my first draft 1st verse for "Back Into Dry County":

The sand still haunts me
In every one of my nightmares
Breathing deep I still can taste
That dusty desert air
Would you ever go back into Hell
If you got the chance to leave?
Would you miss the pain
Miss the burnin' heat
Miss the people who can't breathe?


Keep On Rockin'

Oh my goodness...that's great. WOW!

Welcome back Naomi, we need you badly here. do u wanna join ???.

Captain Walrus 07-28-2003 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoviGirl
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Right, here's my first draft 1st verse for "Back Into Dry County":

The sand still haunts me
In every one of my nightmares
Breathing deep I still can taste
That dusty desert air
Would you ever go back into Hell
If you got the chance to leave?
Would you miss the pain
Miss the burnin' heat
Miss the people who can't breathe?


Keep On Rockin'

Oh my goodness...that's great. WOW!

Your not, by any chance, being sarcastic are you? :?

Keep On Rockin'

JoviGirl 07-28-2003 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoviGirl
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Right, here's my first draft 1st verse for "Back Into Dry County":

The sand still haunts me
In every one of my nightmares
Breathing deep I still can taste
That dusty desert air
Would you ever go back into Hell
If you got the chance to leave?
Would you miss the pain
Miss the burnin' heat
Miss the people who can't breathe?


Keep On Rockin'

Oh my goodness...that's great. WOW!

Your not, by any chance, being sarcastic are you? :?

Keep On Rockin'

No way! I truly think that's cool. Reminds me of Metallica's Unforgiven II. To re-write the same song would be something amazing.

I'd love to be involved in this, by my life is crazy right now and my time is consumed. I feel pretty happy that you'd consider me though. :D

allmike 07-28-2003 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoviGirl
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoviGirl
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Right, here's my first draft 1st verse for "Back Into Dry County":

The sand still haunts me
In every one of my nightmares
Breathing deep I still can taste
That dusty desert air
Would you ever go back into Hell
If you got the chance to leave?
Would you miss the pain
Miss the burnin' heat
Miss the people who can't breathe?


Keep On Rockin'

Oh my goodness...that's great. WOW!

Your not, by any chance, being sarcastic are you? :?

Keep On Rockin'

No way! I truly think that's cool. Reminds me of Metallica's Unforgiven II. To re-write the same song would be something amazing.

I'd love to be involved in this, by my life is crazy right now and my time is consumed. I feel pretty happy that you'd consider me though. :D

I can understand it, i hope ur making good progress in music. But keep on visiting here when u have time. :)

Captain Walrus 07-28-2003 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoviGirl
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Quote:

Originally Posted by JoviGirl
Quote:

Originally Posted by The Walrus
Right, here's my first draft 1st verse for "Back Into Dry County":

The sand still haunts me
In every one of my nightmares
Breathing deep I still can taste
That dusty desert air
Would you ever go back into Hell
If you got the chance to leave?
Would you miss the pain
Miss the burnin' heat
Miss the people who can't breathe?


Keep On Rockin'

Oh my goodness...that's great. WOW!

Your not, by any chance, being sarcastic are you? :?

Keep On Rockin'

No way! I truly think that's cool. Reminds me of Metallica's Unforgiven II. To re-write the same song would be something amazing.

I'd love to be involved in this, by my life is crazy right now and my time is consumed. I feel pretty happy that you'd consider me though. :D

Well thanks :D Just feels kinda odd to have my work complimented by a proper singer/songwriter. Do us proud with whatever you're working on at the moment! :P

Keep On Rockin'

allmike 07-30-2003 06:12 PM

So guys anything new come up now?.

Adrian 07-30-2003 06:46 PM

I'm working on a 2nd verse and bridge for Win Or Lose. I'll put it up when I get something but I'm kinda at a loss right now. You can probably expect something by the weekend.

Adrian

Captain Walrus 07-31-2003 01:04 AM

Do any of the other songwriters agree with me that writing second verses is horrible? You've said most stuff in the first verse and chorus, second verses just annoy me to write

Keep On Rockin'

Adrian 08-03-2003 02:22 AM

Ok, here it is, as promised, the second verse:

This has never been a game
Yet it always is
You better play it hard
Its all you get
All the pain you're going through
It doesn't matter in the end
If you get knocked down
Do you get back up again?

This'll work as a bridge:

This has never been a game
Yet it always is
You better play it hard
Its all you get

Adrian

allmike 08-06-2003 09:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian
Ok, here it is, as promised, the second verse:

This has never been a game
Yet it always is
You better play it hard
Its all you get
All the pain you're going through
It doesn't matter in the end
If you get knocked down
Do you get back up again?

This'll work as a bridge:

This has never been a game
Yet it always is
You better play it hard
Its all you get

Adrian

Good work, so what next.? :P

slippery86 08-07-2003 05:21 PM

if you ever need anyone in your band who can do strings (like on "the distance") then u could have me...

allmike 08-07-2003 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by slippery86
if you ever need anyone in your band who can do strings (like on "the distance") then u could have me...

I'll remember u. :P

Adrian 08-07-2003 10:41 PM

Here it is folks!

Win Or Lose

You want to know how to live?
The future's so far away
I've got these words for you
Try to live in today
whats to come
It doesn't matter
Right here right now
Not what comes after
Not all winners win
And not all losers lose
Sometimes it'll be hard
But the price to win is truth

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

This has never been a game
Yet it always is
You better play it hard
Its all you get
All the pain you're going through
It doesn't matter in the end
If you get knocked down
Do you get back up again?

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

You want to know how to live?
I've got these words for you
I know it'll be hard
But sometimes the price to win is truth

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

(solo)

All the struggle
All your pain
Don't you think
It was in vain
When all of this is though
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you've played the game

What do you guys think? Personally, I like it. If this is the final version of Win Or Lose, what do we do next?

Adrian

allmike 08-08-2003 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian
Here it is folks!

Win Or Lose

You want to know how to live?
The future's so far away
I've got these words for you
Try to live in today
whats to come
It doesn't matter
Right here right now
Not what comes after
Not all winners win
And not all losers lose
Sometimes it'll be hard
But the price to win is truth

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

This has never been a game
Yet it always is
You better play it hard
Its all you get
All the pain you're going through
It doesn't matter in the end
If you get knocked down
Do you get back up again?

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

You want to know how to live?
I've got these words for you
I know it'll be hard
But sometimes the price to win is truth

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

(solo)

All the struggle
All your pain
Don't you think
It was in vain
When all of this is though
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you've played the game

What do you guys think? Personally, I like it. If this is the final version of Win Or Lose, what do we do next?

Adrian

I like, good work Adrian. So any thought about new songs?.

Adrian 08-08-2003 06:57 PM

Yeah, I was thinking of the big ballad for the CD. Something in a Meat Loaf vein, but still sticking true to BJ style music. I've already got a few verses, tell me what you think:

Shoulda seen it coming
Shoulda seen the end that was near
Now it seems like we haven't talked
For what seems like a year

Now she's in my life
I should just walk away
But something in my heart
Something in your eyes
Tells me I need to stay

What do you think? Its another song about holding on when the going's tough.

Adrian

RichieW2001 08-08-2003 08:58 PM

not bad, firste verse seems like it's rhyming for the sake of it though. don't use 'seem(s)' on consecutive lines either. part from that, looking good.

Captain Walrus 08-09-2003 07:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian
Here it is folks!

Win Or Lose

You want to know how to live?
The future's so far away
I've got these words for you
Try to live in today
whats to come
It doesn't matter
Right here right now
Not what comes after
Not all winners win
And not all losers lose
Sometimes it'll be hard
But the price to win is truth

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

This has never been a game
Yet it always is
You better play it hard
Its all you get
All the pain you're going through
It doesn't matter in the end
If you get knocked down
Do you get back up again?

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

You want to know how to live?
I've got these words for you
I know it'll be hard
But sometimes the price to win is truth

(chorus)

You can hope
You can pray
But all the good things
Have to change
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you
play the game today
All you try
and all you say
It doesn't matter what you do
Its how you play the game...
Not if you Win Or Lose

(solo)

All the struggle
All your pain
Don't you think
It was in vain
When all of this is though
It doesn't matter if you Win Or Lose
Its how you've played the game

What do you guys think? Personally, I like it. If this is the final version of Win Or Lose, what do we do next?

Adrian

Hey, you guys CAN write songs without me :D Good job guys... I especially like that it doesn't end with the chorus

Keep On Rockin'

Adrian 08-09-2003 10:52 PM

Walrus! You're back! Think we could get your help for the big ballad? Not that we can't write without you, we'd just like your help. :D Tawtami: do you think you could scan the second to last and last verse for us?

Adrian

Captain Walrus 08-10-2003 12:52 AM

I can indeed help, although I really don't like either of those verses you put up there... nothing personal mind, I just don't think they work. I think its usually a good idea to come up with the title first, but hey, I'll work backwards if thats the way you wanna play it! :D I'll have a little think and get back to ya. By the way Adrian, what do you think about starting the SECRET project I mentioned to you reasonably soon?

Keep On Rockin'

allmike 08-10-2003 09:51 AM

Now we get good song for sure. 8)

tawtami 08-11-2003 02:25 AM

hey... im housesitting at the moment, so little access to net, and also a big week- hospital appointment to discover what is wrong with me (best case scenario is that of benign growths, worsat case is full blown cancer :S) and a resit on friday so after then i go home and will be around a lot more, but sure ill have a look for ya, and i can kinda give a hand on the ballad if you let me know what it is you want me to convey... i hope to have a recording thingy set up soon though so i can record how i envisage these songs being played (albeit with just me and my acoustic... but its enough for an idea... ).

and yeah, i agree, second verses suck!!!!


hope youre all doing okay- ill print out the page as soon as i get to uni and have a butchers

sara


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