I agree, fans do go to far and cross that line.

I'm sure 2005 will be the year you find love Allwyn. 04 has been a mint year for me :) But im hoping 05 will be even better!

Do you want Kids??

This is my first post in one of these threads for a long long long time and this post wont be playing the game. Its simply to back Carli up on this one. What Alan Smith did was an absolute discrace to not only his club, but to the loyal followers of Leeds United as well. He has been a Leeds supporter all his life, and IF! he was a proper fan himself, then he would realise how much any 'Genuine' Leeds fan fans Manchester United. To decide to join a club like Manchester United, when you have been a lifelong Leeds United fan all your life is nothing but a discrace in my opinion (and im sure many others too).

Alan Smith has done the dirty on his boyhood club and stabbed all their fans in the back, having origionally said that he would never play for another club, never mind the clubs biggest rivals. If I supported Leeds, he would now be on my most wanted list. Like Carli said. Allwyn your right though, football shouldnt be about hatred but often it is. Its all about Passion. Thats what football is all about. Passion is what I love most.

I dont have a bad bone in my body, but given the chance I would love to give Wayne Rooney a good punch in the ribs, because he has done exactly the same as Alan Smith. He said he loved Everton Football Club. He claimed he would never wish to play for another team, yet as soon as an offer comes along where more money is involved, he snatched Manchester United's hand off. He was in it for the money. Just like Alan Smith. We all know that. But, if he was a loyal fan and loyal player of the team they have supported all their lives, then no way would either of them join a team like Manchester United. Manchester United fans are hated (almost :wink:) just as much here in Liverpool, as they do in Bradford where Carli lives. Perhaps if Wayne or Alan had moved to different clubs, then maybe, just maybe, we wouldnt hate them so much. But the fact that the pair of them joined Manchester United, their biggest rivals, thats what myself and Carli hate so much. I would never invite him back to play for Everton now after what he did. He tourned his back on the club and the supporters. I will never forgive him. This is just the passion for my team that runs through my blood.

lol Kev, it is not attack on Carli and she know it :wink: and i don't think she needed backup :lol:
Anyway i know all these thing, but still don't agree it........ Is this is the reason why national team not able to perform what they should have?. I mean it appar to me that team is so divied. Well anyway it doesn't concern me much but i can't stand is when someone put sig or make statment saying how much they hate someone(who apprently loved by same person few days back). Well i do think if u would have been a player, u have done same thing no matter how much u loved ur team... And i'm sure u disagree but again i don't want to continure this argument :wink: I understand what ur saying, just don't agree thats it .


V i love to have a couple of kids and if or when i find someone who is crazy enough to be a mother of my kids :lol:


V do u?

oh no, I didnt mean for you to think of it is an 'argument' as such. I was just tell you my point of view mate. I just agree with carli on this coz I am in the same boat as her right now. Hating one player who we used to love. I actually think its good that you disagree Allywn. Seriously. If we all had the same viewpoints, then life would be really boring. Its good that we can discuss things like this, without it getting heated. As i said, I just wanted to put my points forward to let you know, its not just Carli, who is hating a certain player at the moment. Im sure it will actually be the same with a lot of fans, in this country at least.

I would never 'argue' with you Allwyn. I dont particularly argue with people from Jovitalk. Good discussions is what the forum is all about. :)

but its good to hate man utd right? :lol:

No!!!!! :roll:


V Going to stadium to watch match or watch it at home on TV?

Yes Russ :lol:

Going to the match or watching it in the pub is a close 2nd.

Are you better at cooking or DIY?

as i do the bloody cooking every night i would say that







do you like cooking? or not

Ermmm no not really. I can never get everything to cook to be ready at the same time, im sure il improve when i have to though.

Whats the biggest turn off in the opposite sex??

Picking their nose



how about you?