Nope. Too late now. I will have to drink your beers, myself :D

Grrrr thats not fair . buy my beer !!:p

http://img150.imageshack.us/my.php?i...rpool012cg.swf

I have lots more to post but only just got in and made that one, will post the others soon

thats clever

From the train this morning around 8:30

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03001.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03010.jpg

In Liverpool

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03046.jpg

Train on the way home

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03067.jpg

In the park this afternoon

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03092.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03093.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03154.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03156.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03157.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03164.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03175.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03192.jpg

In the park still

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03196.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03202.jpg

On the school field

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03224.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-03230.jpg

Another 360°, from the park

http://img467.imageshack.us/my.php?image=park010mg.swf

crab spiders YEY!

http://images6.theimagehosting.com/2...3%20010.th.jpg http://images6.theimagehosting.com/2...3%20013.th.jpg

I didnt even see the spiders when you showed me these before lol The colours are very nice though, the contrast between the blues/greens and the yellows/orange in the 2nd one give it almost a surreal look, very nice

Anyway, I just upgraded my 256mb memory card for a 2gb one :D so expect lots more photo's from me :p

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04030.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04040.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04041.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04043.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04088.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04120.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04132.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04148.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04155.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04162.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04168.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04173.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-04178.jpg

Panoramics

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-04pano03.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-04pano06.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-04pano07.jpg

And a couple of the 360° ones...

http://img90.imageshack.us/my.php?image=woods025wk.swf

http://img320.imageshack.us/my.php?image=mere021yi.swf

More? Owww I thought that was impossible :P
the one I quoted is very nice! I only took a couple of the clouds today.. I'm lazy to resize them lol

I'm going out tomorrow so expect lots (though I may only post them Thursday night as I need to do coursework tomorrow night lol)

Clouds..

http://img327.imageshack.us/img327/6...40401222pb.jpg

http://img122.imageshack.us/img122/2...40401326jg.jpg

Really? I always thought they were really big sheep :p

nope, actually I lied... it's cotton candy :p

These are from yesterday...

First ones are from Chesire Oakes shopping place

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05033.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05035.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05072.jpg

These next ones are from Chester

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05121.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05157.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05175.jpg
(that water originally was brown but it didn't look nice so I quickly made it blue-ish)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05200.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...6-04-05206.jpg

Panoramics....

Back to Cheshire Oakes for the first

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-05pano02.jpg

Then Chester again

The river Dee

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-05pano06.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-05pano07.jpg

Chester Cathedral

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-05pano10.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...4-05pano13.jpg

why post your edited photoshop pictures? it doesnt make you look talented you do realise that dont you?

I never said it did, I only changed the colour of the water because it was brown and didn't look nice, not to get any attention for basic photoshop ability.

why post it if it didnt look "nice" then? sometimes you folk really do take the art out of photography.

I liked the shot, just not the colour of the water

just out of curiosity how would you define a photograph?

I have always edited my photographs before posting them, because though I may be happy with the composition of a shot the colours may not be well represented in the output so I edit the colours, brightness, contrast etc, sometimes just for the whole shot, sometimes specific areas. I'm sure other people here do it aswell.

I don't know why you are suddenly so interested, if indeed you actually are

if you mess with all the colours, sharpness, whatever, to make it look prettier than the actual shot itself then the finished product is not really your work. i just think it devalues photography in general because you'll be thinking 'oh sod it, ill just edit it later,' rather than trying really hard to get that 'perfect picture'.

(i dont think ive explained that too well. hope you get the jist.)

thats irrelevant.

I agree with Panama (good god)

There's far too many people on deviantart (or however you spell it arggh) that take a pretty crap picture, then just photoshop it into something "artistic"... I never alter any pictures I take, if its a crap picture its a crap picture. If I'm a shit photographer, bugger I'm just going to have to get over it..rather than enhance all my pics artificially

I understand what you mean, but I'm not in that mindset when taking photo's, I don't just randomly snap a shot and then just hope it turned out good later.

When I'm out somewhere taking photo's I always try my best to get a shot, be it having to climb something or lie down, might look odd to someone passing but if it gets a better shot I'll do it. I mess with my focus, exposure, apeture, whatever I can do in the situation to get the best shot possible.

It is only afterwards that I sometimes have to edit them. I very rarely crop my shots because I think of that when taking them such that I frame them just how I think they look best. The only things I do edit tend to be the colour levels, if something came out looking too pale/too colourful, or perhaps the sun was shining down my lens and the foreground is too dark and needs bringing up a little.

To me the editing part is just as involved as actually taking the shot. When I take a shot I see what is going to be in my photo, but I might even at the time think that the colour isn't right or something, and if it is something that I can actually change by moving around, changing a camera setting, then I'll do it then and there, otherwise I have little choice but to leave it until later.

It is only within the past few months that I've really become more interested in photography and if I could afford it I'd get a much more professional camera, one that would allow me to change more settings and get the exact shot I want, but for now all I can do is edit them later if need be.

Just as a couple of examples here are 2 shots I have taken recently, the originals on the left and the photoshopped versions on the right.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...d/editing1.jpg
This one was just a little pale since it was a dull day so I brightened it a little and turned up the contrast slightly, and as I wanted to emphasize the details of the leaf I sharpened it too.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...d/editing2.jpg
With this one I took about a dozen shots at different exposures, just trying to get the clouds how I wanted them to look, but they still came out pale, so afterwards I simply turned up the contrast and enhanced the blue and cyan a little.

Yeah but thats not the picture you took is it?

If the day is too dull, come back on a brighter day! Patience grasshopper!


Getting a perfect shot is a combination of things, no small part perhaps luck. To me personally if you have to fiddle around with it afterwards its not your shot anymore :)

If I am the one who edits it then it is still my shot, just that I used my artistic license to make it how I wanted it to be. Isn't that the purpose of photography, to see something and capture it? If it doesn't turn out how I like it all I do is edit it such that it looks like what I wanted in the first place.

errr well you see, obviously cameras dont turn night into day, but different settings can make a picture look alot of different ways, specially if its a good camera, so i dont see how is that different to photoshopping, except if you edit out a part of the picture or make any big change on it. photoshop only edits the quality, if the pic is bad it cant really do much for it

I must confess I'm with Panama and Goose here. For a long time now I have been hearing my dad complain that photography isn't what it used to be. Every time he likes a picture I took, he never fails to comment on how I have surely enhanced it somehow. And I haven't. To me a good photograph is raw and whatever is good about it must be natural.

Otherwise - what's the point? Go take a picture of anything and turn it into whatever you like. Kill the art.

Even professional photographers edit their pictures. And not just ones who use digital. You can manipulate just as much in a photo lab when you process film. If you think that every professional picture is the original photo, you're quite mistaken. You can dodge and burn when developing, correct an exposure that is too light or too dark, etc.... We just accept that most professional photographers do well without manipulating their prints, but that is very untrue. To me it's no different than any other artist. It's still that persons creation, regardless of how they created the final image.

It's one thing to make a piture lighter somehow and other thing change the colour of water or add stuff into it, or take it from it.


Yes, we all know about airbrushing, but that doesn't really make it alright.

Honestly, I don't see Cartier Bresson using Photoshop (excuse the anachronism) to create the reflection in this wonderful picture:

http://www.kaush.com/archives/images...r-Bresson2.jpg
He simply took shot after shot after shot. I once watched an interview with him when he said the main defining traits of a photographer were patience and serendipity/luck. He never mentioned skills at the lab.

Some situations though it is not possible for a camera to capture exactly what you want. If I look at my photo's after I've taken them I'll see that they aren't quite bright enough or whatever and then edit them, not because I didn't do my best to capture the shot then and there, but because the camera is limited in what it can do. Not everyone can afford the highest quality camera.

Photography is not just the art of capturing an image, but also the art of displaying a captured image in the best possible way. In professional photography there has always been some form of processing. Most of the images you'll ever see that were shot by a professional are processed in some way or another. Whether the photograph was captured on film or on a (digital) sensor, enhancing images has always been part of photography.

The thing with digital photography is that everybody seems to 'know' things about processing images and everyone has the means to enhance images. Which results in many terribly overdone pics. You'd better not process images, unless you know exactly what you're doing. But if you know what you're doing an image can end up so much better after photoshopping or whatever method you use.

I'm not talking about adding things to an image that weren't there to begin with. But I've taken a lot of pictures where my camera just didn't capture the photo the same way I saw it. Camera's are much more limited in what they see than the human eye can be. Even the best of them. To me, using Photoshop to make the sky bluer (or the water!) isn't wrong or even misleading. It's no different than if I used a filter on my lense as I took the picture to gain the same effect. Like Sara said, if you do it right, editing an image after can make it a lot better. I'm talking things like enhancing color, or fixing an expsure that didn't come out right...not adding in an entire reflection.

the way i see it theres a difference between manipulation before taking the shot and manipulation afterwards.

in general how would a person who's looking at the photograph know how much of it is 'real' and how much is fake? and if you went into a photography competiton surely youd get disqualified if you photoshopped all your images. and if you have to change colours and stuff and edited your photos to such an extent as some you do then it isnt 'photography' and those arent your photos. its basically a piss take.

I am with the anti photoshopper crowd. Not that I think it is a bad thing, but it isn't what I'd ever look for in a picture and it would take away all the items I admire in a 'real' photograph. Hopefully, there is a market and/or appreciation crowd for photoshopped pictures, surely it takes some talent and like Neil said - he can put together a picture that looks exactly as he envisioned it. That is a form of art.

Though, not what I'd call photographic art. The pic Keeper posted is an excellent example. It captures something that can never be replicated or thought of via photoshopping - even the photographer might not have known what he/she was after until they saw the shot.

It is often stated that Ansel Adams was not a extraoridnarily good photographer and the equipment is not the most important part - it's seeing fraction of a whole picture and seeing it's value as a photograph. Surely a forest full of trees isn't all that exciting, until you narrow it down to a few trees and devoid it of color, add depth and focus on negative space - then you have a masterpiece that could have been taken by anyone with any camera. It just so happens that 'anyone' wouldn't have had the vision to snap the picture in that particular angle...