Another Hypothetical Test of Loyalty
 

Laura's post along with the recent coverage of Winnona Ryder's conviction has me thinking and I'd like to start another philosophical discussion--not a heated debate, just a throwing about of ideas. ;) In her situation, Jon's lifestyle might affect how one percieves the band. Let's think about an act. We'll use Richie as an example this time.

What would you think if he were charged and eventually convicted of a heinous crime?

Phase one: You turn on the evening news and you hear that Richie's been arrested for -------------(crime of your choice, whatever you think is the worst).

Phase two: Richie adamently denies guilt and hype and speculation abound in the press.

Phase three: The trial. The prosecution has mounting evidence of his guilt, but he still says he's innocent. Do you take his word for it or are you swayed by the evidence?

Phase four: He's convicted and sentenced.

Phase five: Barbara Walters does a Behind-the-Bars special and Richie admits guilt.

First of all, what crime do you think of as most heinous? Then, how would you react at each phase? Or would you even keep up with all the phases? Would you give up as soon as he was charged? As soon as he was on trial? Or would you hang on until the end and even afterwards?

Becky

If Richie murdered Jon for 'being too much of a b&#0097stard to his fans', then that's fair game, Jon obviously deserved it. I would support him all the way.

I don't understand, why don't you use Jon as an example, Becky ? Bon Jovi is a band yes.. but Jon is a front man and for most people, when you say BON JOVI, Jon comes to thier mind first..

So even if you quote as example ..you should quote Jon as example ..

why? You don't even want Jon to commit Hypothetical crime..is it?

I think that is the reason too. She saw someone 'hypethetically' make her beloved Jon the subject of an awkward situation, so she has to do the same to Richie.

We already made Jon gay, let Richie be the axe murderer- LOL! Actually, I feel Winona is obviously sick as she wasn't shoplifting for lack of funds so I do feel sympathy and hope she gets help. I think a crime like murder would turn me against the guys but anything related to a possible mental illness or emotional problem would probably generate sympathy. For example if Jon or Richie turned up looking like that Nick Nolte picture wandering around and on some kind of drug I would feel very badly for them. But let one of them pull an OJ (oh, that's right he was found innocent) and they would lose me.

Why not? Use Jon, Dave, Tico, whomever. Laura already used Jon. Gsheesh. If I had used Jon someone else would have said that the other band members count too and that Jon's not the only one who could affect public perception. Richie's high profile as Heather's husband. The press would run with his story as much as they would Jon--possibly moreso BECAUSE of his marriage to another celebrity. You're looking for controversy where there isn't any. :roll: So much for trying to carry on an intelligent philosophical discussion. We're in the realm of possibility. Speculating doesn't mean that any of us think that these are LIKELY events. I obviously overestimated the potential for a discussion of a hypothitical situation without someone TRYING to turn it into a fight. Well, you won't get it from me. Any assumptions about my movtives only indicate that you can't read what's plainly written before you. Laura's post and Winnona's arrest combined to make me think of this subject. Petty fights are not warranted.

Becky

Gutted all the way; esp. if he were sentenced!! If he wasn't sentenced, I wouldn't much care as long as the music carried on.

I can see Richie as the Godfather of the New Jersey Syndicate Mafia. He'd be convicted for Drug offences after masterminding £billions of drug trafficking. He'd be caught when he picked up the wrong acoustic guitar to play on Good Morning America & some gear fell out. Despite having all the politicians in his pocket, the fact that it was picked up on TV meant they couldn't let him get away with it.

The Mafia would then pass to Jon, who started a war against the bubblegum pop industry. Richie gets out after 10 years (originally a life sentence) & they become the most popular band ever - mainly 'cos they have control of all the record shops.

Mike

BTW - The true criminals in the Ryder case, r the ppl who charge $1000s for their merchandise.

Jon being the front man for the band, always gets put into those hypothetical things.....there is nothing wrong with going a bit of richie this time.

Also KRB I aren't being a smart arse when I ask this, but how is Jon a bastard to his fans?

lmao jedijovi :-)

to the topic:
the worst crime i can think of is baby-rape with murder- i think if anyone of the band ever gets convicted for a crime like this, i'd be quite upset and i'm well aware that i commented the first loyalty test with "i don't care about their private lives". the denieing of guilt would be a reaction that wouldn't be too far off cause there's a lots of star-bonus in front of a court and every member of the band can afford a league of lawyers who could blur the whole story- sp there are chance of gettin away with that.

if the proofs are clear to me- then i'd never support this special member again- in this case the "everybody makes mistakes" thing doesn't count for me. if the band continued (surely without the member) it depends on how they react to this thing whether i still support the band or not. e.g. if they have known the story before the "black sheep" (<-- i don't name a member cause it doesn't make a difference who does the crime) was pulled to court and remained silent, i wouldn't support them any longer- but if they have known this and one of them had the courage to pull him to court then this guy is a hero in my eyes...

I agree with Martin2000. If any of the band members (or any other celebrity I like) would rape a child or kill somebody and it´s for sure that he is really the killer, I wouldn´t support them any longer. That´s just something I can´t understand and something I wouldn´t forgive anybody. I mean, how can somebody rape a helpless child??

KTF
Joverl