at least i'll admit i'm an egotistical prick at the best of times but if you or krb think people are calling him out simply because he's krb then you're sadly mistaken.

as has been pointed out by several people, the only things he ever posts are to get a rise out of people or to annoy. the title of this thread is a clear indication that he has no interest in a reasonable discussion whatsoever.

if i could be bothered i'd go through his old threads but i'm pretty sure i'd never find anything constructive or positive he's ever posted here.

at least when seb took the piss he was kind of funny about it.

it's my busking in europe he has a problem with just now.

i've already shown him up by the fact i would have been to egypt by now if i hadn't took ill but yeah, i shouldn't even entertain the guy but it says alot about his character IMO.

i was just wondering if god didnt exist and theres no heaven no hell no punishment for lifes sins!

then whats to stop us going out and killing a person we dnt like!! r stealing things?? since its now men who made up all the rules who to say that these man made laws r right? hitler didnt believe in god look at what he did? with no god (which means no ten commandments) who is to say that he is wrong

Who said Hitler didn't believe in God? Osama Bin Laden believes in his God and look what he does. George W. Bush is a Born Again Christian and look what he does.. believing in God does not necessarily make you stay on "the right path" I think there are enough people who just believe in treating others correctly and have their own morals and values without needing religion to do so.

You're kidding me, right? Leading a righteous life has nothing to do with being religious or not.There are a LOT of people who don't believe in a god and still maintain a decent life, i.e. no killing, no stealing, no crossing lines in any way. Call it morality, call it having a conscience.

Not to mention all the killings that were made 'in the name of god'.

When it comes to Hitler and his actions; common sense will tell ya that whatever he has done, *is* wrong.

yea u make a gud point! (espeacially about bush!!) the point im making (poorly i know but give a me a chance im trying lol) is where do we get our values from? if they come from our society why are they right? if they are made by man who is to say that they are right, why should one man be right and another wrong?! if lifes just about surviving (as jon says) then shuld it not be everyman for himself! morals would go out the window wouldnt it?!

i just think there is something inside all of us that makes us have morals, have a sense of right and wrong! now i know u wont all agree that is gods gods doing but it sure it the doing of those in the world today ie bush and bin laden! and its somehow built into human nature! wuld u not intertain the thought that there mite just be a higher power art work?

Exactly, morals come from within and yes I'm sure that society has something to do with it but it is also what you believe is correct. My father is an atheist who has never once stolen or murdered or cheated. He doesn't need the 10 commandments to know that is not right.
I think people inately know what is right and wrong and you have a choice whether to do what is right, which isn't always the easiest path or to do what is wrong. Otherwise people like Ted Bundy, who came from a middle class upbringing with Christian parents, would not have become the serial killer he became - you are either good or not (although there is room to manoeuvre), God does not come into it.

Ok he has nvr stole but why not?? theres no god so why not steal! ur not going to get punished for it since there is no hell! and why shuld you listen to the law because they were just men who made up rules why shuld you do wat they say wat does one man got over another! everyone is born with morals! see i think god makes u born with morals and u keep that! doesnt matter if u believe in god or not! they stay there becasue there is a over riding feeling to do good instead of wrong! that doesnt come from anything else except god (imo)

im not saying everyone who doesnt believe in god is bad or if u do you are good! or vise versa! im just stating there is something that makes u born with these morals! something had to have put these things in human nature!

You don't not steal because God tells you too!! I mean you do have your own thoughts right?? Like I said before, most people know what is right and wrong, you don't need a God to say that it is. What if your God said it was okay to murder but all other religions didn't agree, would you still murder or would you actually think maybe there is something wrong here? I believe it also says in the bible "an eye for an eye" do you follow that??
I don't believe that punishment thing - you do what you believe is right, punishment does not come into play, well, for me it doesn't.. it isn't like I have an overwhelming desire to steal and I don't just in case there is a hell....

how do most people know wat right and wrong is??

yes the bible says an eye for an eye! but jesus says that teaching is wrong and changed it to turn the other cheek!

im not arguing what other religions say, coming from a chrisitian background (belief that that is the one true religion) so im not in the posiition to argue that really

you do wat you believe is right? where does the right come from?
again hitler believed what he dne was right!
i believe he is being punished in hell for what he done! but thats a belief in god

with no hell that means really he got away with what he done!