You just know... you can't tell me that you need the bible to tell you what is right and wrong?? You must be able to figure it out for yourself!! Otherwise.. how do you do anything??? Most are incredibly logical anyway - you really don't need a "because Jesus said so.."

Honestly - this truly amazes me..

And there are other things that Jesus said that weren't so forgiving, it just depends who interprets what and what you decide to follow.

i didnt say do what the bible say my arguemnt is that ppl are born with morals i believe they came from god!! im saying these morals come from something other than human ppl! u may think im wrong!!

as for saying jesus said things that werent so forgiving!! jeus's main teaching was forgiveness!! he said anything can be forgiven as long as the sinner is truely sorry for wat they have done!

Fine, that is what you believe. But I would like to think that I and others have a little bit of common sense that you know what is right and wrong. Your parents, society and peers help along the way, but I believe that I don't need someone to instill these in me.

Not all of Jesus's teachings were forgiving - forgive me it has been a long time since I went to Sunday school and I decided along the way that Christianity was not for me - I remember there being a few that were less than that, but again, we all pick the bits out that suit us most.

we have all comonsense to know what is wrong and right! i know but there is something that makes us have that!!! i know im bad at explaning things like this and getting what i mean out but common sense is wat we all have were does it come from? u dnt need someone to instill these things in you because maybe there already instilled in you before u are born! and then they are developed as u grow older!! but god give you that! (imo)

u do not go out and kill someone because u know deep down that that is the wrong thing to do not because it is the law but because u know deep inside that it is wrong and that is not given to u from ur parents, friends or society u know its wrong from birth

i maybe wide of the mark to some yes! again im not the best at explaining religious things lol!

all jesus teaching were forgiven except maybe the ones were he said god have mercy on those sinners who do not repent!! plz the man forgive themn men to who put him to death i cant see anything where he said anything about unforgiving! (granted there is a sin that is unforgivable but im cant remember what it is!)

Where does common sense come from?? It just is! This way we can discuss the big bang theory as well.. common sense is like breathing - you just do, or does that come from God as well?

I guess because I do not believe in a God I will not see these things as God like, fine if you do, but you are asking questions that both sides will not be able to answer. You wish to believe it is God, fine, but that doesn't make it true - and the same goes for my beliefs.

'Common sense' comes from our society, it isn't something that we are born with. If a human child is raised in the wild by animals it wouldn't think twice about murdering another living thing for food or stealing for its own survival. It is our high capacity for learning, our intelligence, the thing which seperates us from the animals.

survival would be a different thing tho! i know if my survival depended on i would defend myself if that means killing or not! but woud you go out of your way to kill just to kill no because u know its wrong, even as a child you know its wrong!. As a child did you ever get a lesson telling you u cant kill someone cause its wrong! no because u know even as a child that it is wrong! its just there! and since everything must ave a begining mixed with my belief in god which i accept some do not share! i think he creates us with that comon sense thing lol!!

btw

not tryintg to offened anyone or start a hated debate just arguing from a my viewpoint and im interested in what others think!!

It isn't 'just there' though, it is taught to us. We live in a civilised society and we learn respect for others and thus don't steal from or kill them. If you believe that this is instilled in everyone then why do murders occur? Why is there crime? Oh right, it is the devil tempting people isn't it? :rolleyes:

I agree and I don't. To a certain extent I believe we just know certain things that are right and wrong and others are learnt or fine tuned. Some children, for example, do not think there is anything wrong with hurting animals and need to be taught that this is not right - I guess some need more teaching than others, but I believe that your morals and values are in part what you believe from the beginning and the rest is given by parents, society and peers.

And yes.. the Devil tempts all us unbelievers... http://www.drycounty.com/jovitalk/im...ons/icon10.gif

lol not just as child friendly as that now!!! but everyone has feel will to do good or evil things!! you can choose to kill or not kill! we are human all born with a soul that makes us different from the animals! with that soul we get a consense and we all know the different between right and wrong! society in germany said that jews were all bad people and everyone believed it! who are we to say thats wrong? because the majority of people in the world says its wrong? therefore it must be right? if the nazi had won the war we would have all been taught there ideals about blacks and jews and gays! then that would have become right would it not have! i believe were born with these things inside us from the beginning god put them there nothing to do with society