Would you want someone to kill you just because they felt like it? No. So you don't do it to them. So perhaps the truth is we're all just selfish.

ok heres one for u!!

WW1 in the trenches english and german troops were killing eachother and suddenly one person sings come all ye faithful and within the space of 5 minutes all gun fire has stopped and both sides are singing the same song in english and german! that was chrismas day! would you not count that as an affect of god?? are just strange concidence?

also u have other things like stigmata that not even science can explain which happen to the like of patrick pepo!

theres things that happen through god (imo)

the assisanation attempt on pope john paul that failed tho all the evidence suggests that he should have died given the reputauion of the shooter! and the good position he had gotten himself in2 before firing

that could be another reason for it! lol

Maybe so, but you'd still know murder is wrong!! You would just be seen as a hero for killing "the enemy". There is a reason why a lot of soldiers come back after a war and are traumatised - look at Vietnam. You have to do it, but you are going against your values and what you know is wrong.

Ok, the war thing...those men were generally conscripted, so a lot probably didn't want to go and were happy to stop fighting for a game of football. Do you think they were fighting their own causes? A lot of them probably would have been happy to stop, except they'd be put in jail for dessertion or whatever.

Stigmata, the thing where people bleed from the hands? People who suggest it is linked to Jesus crucifixtion should read up on the subject because nails wouldn't have been driven through the hands, but rather through the wrists.

The assasination attempt on the Pope - bad aim, you can't say that was a religious miracle, expecially not since the Pope helped to kill so many people due to not advocating the use of condoms.

if that was a caser then all people fighting in both ww1 and ww2 would have just stopped fighting! dnt think anyone who fought in them wars wanted to be there!

no acutally if u read up on it, your hands would have not been able to support the weight of the body! so they nails are driven into the wrists! it explains that in the films of the same name!!

not really he didnt kill anyone by not alowing people to use condoms! the chruch believes that sex is only for reprodution (as it says in the bible) not for pleasure! u have to remove the condom for making babys so that wuld have spread aids to the perosn anyway! and anyway people see using condoms just an early form of abortion and is that not killing people?? r do u believe the crap its not person till the baby is born?? id say more people are born that killed by not using condoms! jsut because someone wants to have sex alot doesnt mean the ruling is wrong??

Just because I'm not religious doesn't mean I'm all for abortion and such. I believe that it is murder and should only be considered if the life of the child or mother is in serious danger, but I don't believe that life begins before conception, thus using a condom is only killing sperm cells which would only die within the body eventually anyway.

The fact is that sex is, to a lot of people, more than just for pre-creation, and rather than accepting that and advocating the use of condoms, the church still says no and would rather see people die from AIDS and have families larger than they can support just for the sake of getting more new recruits. There is of course the conspiracy theory that the church actually created the AIDS virus, but I don't know that I could believe that, despite not being the biggest fan of the church.

lol well the fact that the aids has been around long before the church was created would be a good starting point to saying its a lie!! hey u could also believe what people used to and say that it was only balck people who got aids, then it changed to only blacks and gays then they found out everyone got it!

and just because a lot of people see it as more than for making babys also doesnt make it right! remember if im open to ur views u also have to be open to fact that the bible maybe right and so is the religion!

there is also ways around having sex without actually making babys which the church does accept! the chruch is not responisble for spreading aids! to make babys u must have the condom off which will spead aids lol!! and again even if the did allow the use of condoms (b the way they are changing the rule for married couples with aids) do u really think it would stop the spread of aids! to do so wuld be ignorant of u!

Mussolini, Osama Bin Laden, Sadam, Hitler, Vatican

wich does not belong there?

The vatican, what they did the last 2000 years can't be compared to the other mentioned, they are babies compared to the vatican

well can u tell me what thye did?? and any evidence to prove it??

and anyway i nvr said the church and its actions were blameless! its full of humans who are as well all know not perfect! but there moral teaching havnt been that wrong as faras i know!!

good god if no one used a condom this world would be standing room only. the vatican`s stance on this is a joke

why because everyone wants to hjave sex all the time with random ppl?? there not wrong in their teaching just people who think they are! doesnt mean they are right and lets be honest most catholic use them anyway!

no dont be stupid if any one ie a married couple never used a condom then there would be children running wild everywhere. and its not about random sex and even if its was whats wrong with that?

well the bible says its only for making children!! not for pleasure!

its thier belief and they stick by it!

anyway most id not all chrisitan churches are against the use of condoms!

well the bible says lots of things about not working on the sabath and not wearing clothes made out of more than one material so i kinda think its a bit out of date

right anyone who is "against" the use of condoms is a moron for two reasons 1) aids and stds. 2) the world would be even more overpopulated than it already is at this point it appears we dont have enough water and food as it is.

no actually ur looking in the old testment u shuld check the new one were all that is done away with!

and if the world is over-populated would people not just stop having sex?? ooo god know culdnt do that because we like it and we like being selfish

also maybe look at the fact that food is going to the rich countrys that are to fat!! like america i hear 1/3 of the population is over-weight!! maybe look at thoses things before trying to blamme the RCC for the worlds troubles!

yeah you would think that maybe the church would have something important to say when we let entire countries starve to death whilst part of the world gets more and more obese? bui no just "dont use condoms"

no people wont stop having sex because it is a human need and not like the catholic church teaches a dirty sin. people shouldnt stop having sex people should have more sex imo and just use protection to prevent the spread of aids and to prevent overpopulation.

having sex is not selfish!

a selfish act is one benifts oonly the ppl involved does sex benift anyother person??? its really a human need is it??? u can survive without having sex you whole life so i wouldnt say its a need.

naaa sure the catholic church only wants to stop people using condoms cause they want to kill as many people as possible and destroy the world!!!

talk sense then ill reply to a real opinion!

look i have no time for an institution that protects paedophiles and urges people to not use condoms whilst there is a virus of death being spread every single day through sexual relations

a definiton of selfish is "Concerned chiefly or only with oneself" so whilst having sex if you are pleasing someone else that is not selfish by definition.

sorry is it not a real opinion because i dont agree with you ? thats a shame because any opinion is real whether you like it or not. what you have said makes no sense at all

i believe it was certain people who protected paedophiles not the insitiution!!! i take it u dnt believe in teachers either since they have a higher number of paedophile cover-ups!!

the sins of the few condem the many i take it in ur opinion??

maybe the fact that its 0.02% of priest that dne that to younfg people!!! god its not the certain people who were bad but the full RCC as a whole

you are just getting silly now and i never said id didnt believe in god or that i wasnt a christian. and yes i believe in teachers and i believe they should teach the kids to use condoms.

can you answer me a serious question? apart from being told by the church not to use condoms on what basis do you think it is wrong?

oh and by the way it is a fact that the vatican knew about priests sexually abusing children in america and ireland. they did nothing to protect those children and that is wrong

i didnt say it was wrong im defending the churchs teching on it! can u tell me since it gives a gud reason in the bible can u say a resaon why that lesson is wrong? because people want it? since when do people know better than god?

What good reason? Sex between consenting adults doesn't harm anyone, and if they are incapable of supporting a child and don't wish to catch any diseases then they should use contraception. It isn't killing anything but cells which would die anyway if not used.

see i can see how u wuld think that way but just because u killed it before it enters the body doesnt make it any different ur still preventing the child from being made or born! (IMO) its just a really early form of abortion! like the pill! it is possible to have sex with using condoms and wont result in a baby being conceived!

in what way are you defending the churchs teaching on it ? with what argument are you defending it? youre not you are just repeating what you have been taught/told.

since when do people know better than god?

if god really thinks that condoms are wrong then i think that god is wrong about that. but i dont think that god does think condoms are wrong . i think that god would reason that it is a sensible option these days.

so masturbation is " wrong " ? and if so why ?

If you don't have sex the sperm cells will die inside you and more will replace them, so they die either way, and I bet there aren't many people who would agree on contraception being a form of abortion. To abort the life of a baby it has to be alive to start with.

well see the churchs just sees it as a form of abortion!!! but thats thier view and the view that st paul put in the bible! its him who all moral teaching are taken from that forms christanity!

Well I'm not sure what life was like 2000 years ago, but its very different now so living by such old rules seems stupid.

...and how are the rules and such from god if St Paul wrote them down? Did he hear voices?

inspired by the holy spirit! more are less told by god what to write!! doesnt matter how old they are if god says there true then we cant argue! they will be 3000 years old and still be relevent!

even now not one of his teaching have ever been proved wrong!

How about some examples of these 'teachings' you speak of then? Do not kill? etc As we discussed they are pretty much common sense, and you are contradicting yourself if you said they were instilled in us from birth, but now they are teachings. Why teach us things we supposedly already know? Why go to a big stone building every week to pray to an invisible almighty that is evidently everywhere anyway? Why live your life by old, out-dated rules? Why believe a book put together to help the political career of whoever at the time?

he didnt teach us these things like that! its more on morallity who to teach on another and teaching on god himself!

why shuld we go to chruch! because i shows respect to god when u give up time to go and give thanks!

who says thier out of date? you? again who are we to question God?

yes the political career of a man who went around with no money devoting his life to doing gods work and then been put to death instead of reject gods teachings! even tho before he turned christian he was a very well respected man of the jewish faith who was actually sent to destroy chrisitanty!! really worked to his advantage! and anyone else who wrote in the bible each were put to death for their beliefs! lol some political career

why do you believe in god ? when did you first believe in god?

believe in god all my life! why do i believe in god!!because u need to believe in and gives u meaning a purpose to life!! just some of the vry long list of things!! why dnt u believe in god?? maybe because it may interfere with something u want to do!!

so from the day you were born you believed in God ? or do you parents believe in God aswell?

i do believe in god and i do whatever i do (not sure what you mean)

WHAT??????

^ oh right i got the answer to my question now. masturbation is wrong aswell (sorry im not trying to be rude, just trying ti understand)

I don't believe in any gods because I don't feel an emptyness in my life that needs filling, which you basically just said you do, so perhaps get a hobby.

I did used to believe in god but only because I went to a CofE primary school and it was forced upon me; having a priest splash water on my face when I was a baby, singing hymns, saying prayers etc but as I got older I started to actually question it, and what I found was a load of bollocks. If you believe it then enjoy your opressed life, but otherwise live life how you want to, not how some people from 1700-2000 years ago tell you to.

if its gods will u have a child then u will have one condoms are a form of of stopping that from happening. r something like that.

again im not one to be asking about religious matters!! im just going on what i think is rite i culd be wrong about there teachings!

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