You gotta be kidding me. Hes so over rated its not true. He was at his peak in the late 90's-02 apart from score 1 or 2 great free kicks he didnt do much else for England. Where was he when we needed him when we went out of Japan 02 and Euro 04??? Where were his leadership skills??? Nah he was all about image, if he was any kind of player he'd have re-joined the premiership and fought for his England place.

Anyhow who gives a F about BEckham, Leeds won yesterday and were staying UP!!! :D

Its nice to dream isnt it? :p

Nah, I think you will stay up....its very tight down there at the bottom of the table, but I def think you can drag yourselves out of the mess that you are in.

There are only 3 points between the bottom 6 teams we can def do it. Play QPR at home a week on Tuesday who are 3 pts in front of us, its prob our most vital match since the champions league semi final. Il be there cant wait.

ts a crucial six pointer then. As long as you beat the teams at the bottom, then you can definately do it. The teams higher up in the league, will dread playing teams at the bottom, as they know theyre gonna be fighting for their lives!

As much as I dislike Beckham for 'selling out', I do feel the need to defend his position as a once phenomenal player.

If you look at the stats for the 1998/1999 season alone, he scored an unbelievable number of free-kicks that clinched wins and turned 1pt into 3pts and he had the highest number of assists for United. In this way, United won matches because of him too cos you can't win games without quality service to your strikers and this is what Beck's provided.

You argue he can only cross a ball and take free kicks - what more do you need a side-midfielder to do exactly to be considered 'great'?!?! Bear in mind he could also do a pretty good job playing out of position in defence and a pretty great job in the centre of midfield as well.

As for the CL final in 1999 - yeah, Bayern did have a lot of the ball but they did nothing with it. The Jancker and Scholl moments you referred to happened late in the game post-80 minutes and, since I watched it in full only yesterday, I can point out with absolute certainty that for the last five minutes of that match, Bayern had their backs to the wall and United had chance after chance to grab the equaliser - they were relentless. The game itself was very stale.

I actually did feel very sorry for Bayern about half an hour after the match had finished cos I knew what it must have felt like to be beaten in the final - for all intents and purposes United WERE beaten until Sheringham and Solskjaer came along in stoppage time. From then on, I supported Bayern in the CL too (unless they played Man United of course!) and felt that justice had been done when they won it a few years after.

You must be a complete retard. If you would look a bit more carefully you would see that I have STEFAN EFFENBERG as my avatar and the Bayern Munich blazon as my signature. Do you think I wouldn't know that final was PURE LUCK??? Bayern was the actual winner of that cup and when I talk to people these days they all seem to agree.

On the other hand, Manchester made it to the final. They outperformed BARCELONA in the group stages, then they beat INTER and JUVENTUS in the quarter and the semi-finals. Is that luck?! The same year they won the premiership and the cup.Becks was vital for that success. Becks was the most important player of ManU that year, and that year was ManU's most successfull season in history. He was sold because Real paid shitloads of money. That's like saying "Juventus knew why they sold Zidane, 'cause he was crap". Huh...I start to question the reason for why I argue with such retards as you. Just waste of time.


and that comes from some from Ireland...yay! I am wondering why you start your list with Keane by the way? just a coincidence i suppose. What has ManU achieved since Becks left??? I tell you, NOTHING!

He never made it in Spain??? Have you ever looked at his record? Of course he made it in Spain. He played all the games for Real until Capello came along. He scored shitloads of goals and was more than once the man who decided the game. Even yesterday he scored although he wasn't in the team for a few months now. You know shit about Becks. I am sure you only watched him live when he played for England. And yes, there are players who are great with their clubs and who never did much for their national team. See Gabriel Batistuta of Argentina. Becks was probably one of them. on the other hand, it was his free kicks which saved England in a LOT of international games(the latter part was for Carli)

very well put. all the people who criticze him nowadays do it because he is a sell-out. That was his mistake. Lately his celebrity creer interfered with his player career but even Real Madrid fans will agree that he gives EVERYTHING on the pitch.

ohh...for the last 5 minutes Bayern was with the back against the wall??? Well, yes, that's what happens when a team got nothing to lose and the other team has everything to win. You figure out in which position ManU was. You can't tell me that it wasn't shitloads of luck which ManU had. Besides, it was shitloads of bad luck which Bayern had. We beat you that year in the group stages as well. We were clearly better than you, from all perspectives. God must have been a ManU fan that year. There's no other explanation. As a ManU fan, please answer this multiple-choice question:

Who deserved to win the CL final 1999?
A) ManU
B) Bayern


I am really curios what the objective opinion of a ManU fan is.

It's really quite straight forward -

Both Schmeicel and Kahn had great games that night and both kept their respective sides in it. Fact is though, matches are 90 minutes long (plus stoppage time of course!;)) and Bayern stopped playing after 85 minutes. Trust me, as an Englishman I know all too well the perils and torment of watching your club play for 'most' of a match and then, when their noses are in front, chucking it all away by playing on the back foot - England do it all too often!

Man United, despite not having many chances during the rest of the game did, however, play for the WHOLE game. The match was a stalemate in all honesty - neither side particularly shone, but when Bayern stopped playing, United carried on and created the best chances of the game. Jancker hit the bar and Scholl hit the post - both would have been good goals had they gone in but if you're talking about true goal-line scrambles and what you would actually call 'missed chances', United had them all in the last +5 minutes.

I might also point out that Bayern did not beat United in the group stages - both meetings were drawn 2-2 and 1-1 respectively with the first draw being particularly contraversial because of Bayern's opener being clearly off-side (3 times before the ball was netted - Jancker twice and the last lay-off to Elber blatantly off-side also!) Bayern finished above United because they managed to beat Barca whereas we did not.

The thing is Devilson, Man u winning like that is pretty common in the Premiership. They were forever getting last minutes goals here and there in the 98th min of injury time, its what they do. Not to say they didnt deserve the success in 99 cos they did as much as it pains me to say it. I used to think they were just lucky but really they are just a team who never give up, I wish my team were more like it. Urghh I cant believe I just said something complimenty about the Scum.

To be fair, they don't do it quite as often anymore - in fact Chelsea have been the worst for late goals this year, as have Arsenal but I can understand other supporters' frustrations when it comes to the mid-late 90s United team scoring in stoppage time.

I don't quite recall there ever being 98 minutes of stoppage time but I think that the general idea was quick to catch on and it's something United will (unfortunately) always be tagged with when it comes to the soured opinions of rival supporters even if they never score another stoppage time goal ever again (not likely though ;))!

As for complimenting United - even my Liverpool-supporting girlfriend is starting to warm to them a little. Christ I've even convinced her to come with me to see the Man Utd vs Lille second leg match at Old Trafford next month!!

She'll probably be cheering for the French though! :lol: