NJ is my favourite album. I think they matured into better songwriters with parts of KTF and TD, but......there’s something bombastic about NJ.


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It could still be the best album since These Days even if people are down on it... It just means the other albums are even shittier... However that's not really the case with me...

There are many ways to view an album... and before Shanks, I never thought production would be one of them...

I try to live in the now an be a realist... The guy is right. When you compare THINFS to the same guy who wrote My Guitar Lies Bleeding, it's hard to believe that it's even the same guy...

I do however think that THINFS is very well written but there are recycled lyrics and this JBJ save the world preaching is starting to run its course with me too... What's really striking a nerve is the new song 'When We Were Us'... The first verse of the song 'Everytime You Climb That Mountain'...

Back to THINFS, I also agree that the production takes away from most of it as he mentioned with the drums and other references...

It's a solid solo effort for a 54 year old JBJ... And that's what it is... it's a collaborated JBJ and Shanks solo album with the Bon Jovi stamp on the album cover...

I do however think the album comes across great live... I was higher on the album before it came out due to audience recordings... Labor of Love has more emotion live... Roller Coaster is a fun live track that was ruined by Shanks production... Knockout is a great opener with awesome arena acoustics... and the list goes on...

Like I initially said... as and album, I agree with the guy and I understand where he's coming from... I do think he's a little extreme but even with all that said, I still find enjoyment within the album...

I actually think if you combined the best tracks from Burning Bridges and THINFS, you do have the best album since These Days...

Another thing that's pissing me lately about Jon is his constant "I can't be expected to write Living On A Prayer or Never Say Goodbye at 55 years old"...

"No Jon, you can't lyrically and that's not what we are asking for... Musically and production wise you can... You managed to write It's My Life 20 times over so give us something good in the studio even if you can't sing it live. Enough with the diamond in the rough and Hampton wine crap and become a ****ing rock star again"



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At this point what makes it more of a solo release then the past albums. Is it the lack of Richie? If the band is backing Jon on the songs musically it's as much a band album as anything released post 2000.

Ummmm... I don't know if I necessarily agree.... Jon wrote half of KTF himself and I still consider that a Bon Jovi album. In early 2000, there was Bon Jovi TV for Crush and Bounce and all the guys were in the studio for the duration of both albums...

Taking Richie out of the equation is a huge part of it. Limiting the other members from the studio is a huge part of it... (I'm sure they were there to play their parts but not part of the music making process with the exception of NYE:rolleyes:)

Maybe it isn't.

He also says that about Bad Name. Like MGLBIMA, all of those songs are co-writes. It's possible that Jon could have been that guy who was just "in the room" when they came together. Maybe he wasn't the primary songwriter or didn't have that much to do with those songs (or songs like them) the first time around, and the reason he can't be expected to write Bad Name, LOAP, or NSG is less about age and more about missing cowriter(s).

Yea but No... That's not what he means at all... Sorry again Jackie

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewQZ...&feature=share

Love Richie in this. Nice simple but effective riffing. Maybe Jon could still sing this live?


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I'm glad you have such a good handle on what Jon means every time he says something. I didn't say it's what Jon meant. But it could still be the reason he isn't writing songs like that anymore - musically or lyrically.

And Jon isn't the one who said, "when you compare My Guitar to THINFS it's hard to believe it's even the same guy."

You probably didn't mean to imply that it really wasn't the same guy, but that doesn't remove the possibility that Jon may not have been the primary songwriter on My Guitar; and that could explain why it doesn't sound like he wrote both songs.

If everything is to be believed, and I'm not saying it is, the band was more involved in the process of recording it and there were more songs cut live on the floor then on previous Shanks releases. The band doesn't sound limited so much as they're playing their parts as simply as possible but it's clearly Tico and clearly Dave playing on the songs. I don't know, if the band was actually there for all of it (and Labor of Love and New Years Day sound pretty much live off the floor) it makes it a band album. If Dave was a main song writer it would be a different scenario.