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Bleedingguitar 03-08-2011 11:13 PM

Bon Jovi is an act that has suffered because of the public's prejudices.

In that light I find it really hypocritical for Jon to try and use prejudice against pop music against his competitors.

joviness 03-08-2011 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1042846)
They are however not the biggest stars on the planet, no matter how you try to turn it around.

Just curious... Who is? :)

Panda 03-08-2011 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by joviness (Post 1042855)
Just curious... Who is? :)

Barack Obama.

bonjovifreak 03-08-2011 11:34 PM

I don't usually respond when a thread goes this way but this time I had to. I love how certain threads become a pissing contest between two people with one of them coming out on top as an ass. As much as I get irritated with Seb most of the time, if he knows he can get to you he will because he knows it pisses you off. The one thing I can say is that he is honest in his opinions no matter how I may disagree. I respect most people who write and play their own instruments. I listen to many genres and I happen to like Christina A because she can sing. Britney cannot nor can she perform a show with faking it. She doesn't have my respect but they know how to promote her. Just because Kelly Clarkson was on a tv show that gave her a contract doesn't mean she's less talented. Bieber is not manufactured at least in my opinion. I just cannot believe that Usher and JT were fighting over him. Lady Gaga as Seb has pointed out is a singer-songwriter for others. I believe she is a performance artist. She has become overrated lately in my opinion. Her latest song is Madonna's Express Yourself and its too preachy. She uses the gay community as a platform for her music and as a member of that community it can become a bit tedious even though I respect her for having respect for us. I don't think he is bashing such artists just comparing them to those who came before. I bet his daughter listens to music similar to the ones he mentions. She may have even been a Spice Girl fan. Why isn't he allowed to use the live stage to voice his opinion just like other artists voice theirs. I don't think Bieber is going to start a war of words with Jon nor did Jon himself verbally bash him. I have seen the speech and he is not being facetious. Does the audience eat it up and respond to it in kind, yes because many feel the same way as Jon.

I don't believe they are average they are just in a creative rut despite how Jon and Richie try to sell it to us that their not.No one ever said Jon and I know he hasn't said he has the best voice in the world. What he can do is write a song that connects to people in a profound way and deserves his place in the Songwriters Hall along with Richie. Jon is one of the best frontmen in the business today because he knows how to use what he has to command an audience. Jon can and does wrong and many people here can't give the man a break. That's their problem not mine. To the poster that that went on about not mentioning people like Rhianna, you piss off. Don't try and censor what gets discussed in a thread here. Remember opinions are like Aholes everyone has one.

Bon Jovi may not have had a hit since IML but many songs are relevant for me no matter what else I listen to.

Rdkopper 03-08-2011 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1042846)
Aloha !



No we can't, and that's not the point. However, McCartney is not on top of the world. He's a critically acclaimed artist, as is Metallica, Bruce Springsteen, The Rolling Stones and the likes. They are however not the biggest stars on the planet, no matter how you try to turn it around. And just for the record, McCartney doesn't really sell out anywhere apart from the US. Gaga sells more tickets, as does Rihanna.



That's not what I did either. The last huge hit Bon Jovi had was It's My Life, a song not written by him, no matter what Jon and Richie claim. Lady Gaga however co-wrote all her big hits. That's all I was saying. Jon is claiming Lady Gaga is just another one of those talentless pop artists, but she isn't. He's basing his opinion upon the assumptions he's making, just like you do. He's bitching about how artists don't write their own songs, yet he buys songs from other writers, gives them his own twist and claims he wrote them himself. How does that give him any right to bitch about others?



Britney Spears never had any credibilty. And nowadays whenever Britney Spears releases a new song everyone is pretty much saying there's nothing good about it, it's dated beats with an annoying autotuned voice. Christina Aguilera on the other hand has also been praised for her singing talent as she can pretty much sing anything, unlike Jon who struggles with his own songs, a thing Aguilera has never done. Bash her all you want, she has more vocal talent than Jon does.



If you can't compare a rock star who's been around for 30 years to a pop star who's only just getting started, then what gives Jon the right to bash the artists? He was there once, and if he'd be true to himself he'd know it's hard to break through. Instead of just picking on Britney Spears and Bieber he drags in artists who did work for it and do have talent. And that's just taking a cheap shot.

I never said Gaga has more talent than Jon does, it's you who's incapable of reading replies and taking in what's being said. You twist my words around just to stir up an argument, yet you lose it every time I actually reply to you. You make a big deal of making me look like an idiot, yet all I have to do is reply to you and you're back to where you started. Instead of trying so hard to "make me look like an idiot" it'd be smart to actually read the replies you're quoting, because then you'd realize that all you claim I'm doing is just in your head, instead of on this messageboard.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan


Look, This is my last post b/ it's the wrong thread for this discussion plus I think the fans want some YouTube vids instead of listing to you cry.

Bottom line, Jon was clearly making a joke and he's earned the respect to do so. He's been doing this for years as part of his act.….. There are a bunch of examples. One being, "This is a man's band, not a boy band"….. He's ripping on the music industry in general and using GaGa & Bieber b/ they are both on top for the moment. Lets face it, a lady that dresses in meat is a freakin joke and Bieber is a borderline little girl like you. He makes the statement, the crowd laughs, I laugh. It's a joke. Get over it and move on.

Rdkopper 03-08-2011 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bang A Drum (Post 1042853)
Again, I agree. Everything you say is correct, without question. You are right, and you are probably always right. We should all just love Bon Jovi for who they are. Enjoy EVERY live performance because it is Jon giving his heart and soul every time. We should enjoy ALL of the studio tracks because they are just plain awesome because they have the "Bon Jovi" name on them. Everything Bon Jovi does is awesome. Even Jons poop smells amazing!


Don't sweat it Rokenrola. Anyone with those stupid self made South Park cartoons are little Seb followers. He is like their big leader and they are his little bitches. Don't be intimidated, there are only a few of them and they don't have minds of their own. Whatever he says they just fill in little comments like "yea" and "seb rules" and "sebs on top and everyone wants to knock him down" and "not everyone likes Jons poop"

Panda 03-08-2011 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1042859)
Don't sweat it Rokenrola. Anyone with those stupid self made South Park cartoons are little Seb followers. He is like their big leader and they are his little bitches. Don't be intimidated, there are only a few of them and they don't have minds of their own. Whatever he says they just fill in little comments like "yea" and "seb rules" and "sebs on top and everyone wants to knock him down" and "not everyone likes Jons poop"

That has to be the most ignorant post I have read on this board in a long time. And I've seen idiots like borntorun and Dutch post absolute crap.

Haja 03-08-2011 11:54 PM

I think it's fair to declare that mr. Supersonic wins. :p


Anyway, the point Jon was trying to get across is easy to see. He just ignorantly used Gaga as an example. Other than that, yeah, I can pretty much agree with him.

TwinFan 03-08-2011 11:57 PM

Bon Jovi were on top of the world in their time. Lady Gaga is on top of the world now. Bon Jovi had most of their hits in the 80's. Lady Gaga is having her hits now. It's that simple. No matter how much you may not like it, it's the truth.

It all comes down to opinion. Of course I think Bon Jovi are better than Lady Gaga. But I'm a BON JOVI FAN. It's vice-versa for Lady Gaga fans. I still respect how successful she's been, even if I dislike her musical styles.

Rdkopper 03-09-2011 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Haja (Post 1042861)
I think it's fair to declare that mr. Supersonic wins. :p


Anyway, the point Jon was trying to get across is easy to see. He just ignorantly used Gaga as an example. Other than that, yeah, I can pretty much agree with him.

F off.....................


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