It's pretty much the same length,maybe a little bit longer now,but he keeps his haircut somewhat at same length whole decade :rolleyes: except for Lost Highway period.

Acoustic Bed of Roses from the Destination era. Now Bobby played a nice solo here, WTF is wrong with this guy that he can't be consistent at all in his playing??

Pro shot footage of the first few songs at The Meadowlands Stadium.

Blood On Blood


WWBTF


Bad Name

They made it, they've got nothing to prove anymore. Think back to Moscow, all the people they had to outdo at that show. Not the same anymore, can just coast on by. The good thing is no-one can ever take those performances away from us.


Btw, having watch the NJ video, its not that bad. Just no-where near as good as the Moscow vid (er is any performance ever going to be?! It was like ten minutes longer than usual and even Alec was getting to sing a little bit if my slightly cider muddled brain is correct?)

lol Alec was making mistakes every 4 bars he was so so bad do u realize Hugh is one hell of a bass player

Alec was a junkie who couldn't play bass to save his life.

he tried to do that again ^^
It's beautiful too, but the Charlotte one is more :D

Although I liked Alec I don't think he had any input into the writing or arranging of the songs. He had a great stage presence but he turned into a mess and couldn't perform any longer.

And after he left we got These Days, so I can't agree they went downhill either.

People tend to like Alec for nostalgic reasons.

I don't really have a craving for him to be back, but I would like to see Dave inducted as a full Bon Jovi member because then they are a whole rock band once again. Rather than a band that needs a hired bass player.

Hugh had much more input than Alec.He covered his ass on every album since and including SWW.Alec's mistakes,though,were less obvious in studio(probably because they overdubbed it),but live,especially in 93' he looked and sounded like he didn't belong anywhere near what was then(and for that matter,what is now) a best live band in the world.

You know, a lot has been made of this, and people have repeatedly given this as one of the reasons why Hugh is a better fit for Bon jovi but I still to this day have not seen a vid or heard a recording of Alec that was really that bad. Maybe they turned down the bass volume on the KTF tour Idk. His backing vocals were annoying as hell though, and hugh is a more around better musician, just that really, Alec was a perfectly good and competent bass player and not an all around screw up that some people make him out to be....

Dry county, with alternative lyrics, in the sound check

He wasn't all around screw up,but somewhere along KTF tour he lost it,he didn't have control,it's obviously because of drug and alcohol abuse.I think they turned down the bass in comparison to NJ tour and changed beginning of KTF(song) so Richie could lead the song.But all in all,I don't think he ever was a complete screw up,he was a decent bass player,but to say that his absence and arrival of Hugh are main reasons why Bon Jovi went downhill(and they released These Days,their arguably most creative and diverse album) is nonsense.Both Hugh and Alec didn't have any creative input in Bon Jovi's work,or at least any significant input.Better options would be Jon's first 100 million dollars :rolleyes: middle age crisis,It's my life,Richie's stagnation,not having anything to prove anymore and so on...

From what I understand from interviews with Hugh, he actually has creative control/or at least input over his bass lines.

I though so too,but it's not very significant if you consider vast majority of bass lines in band's 00's work.But bass lines from Keep the Faith or Prayer are really good,but I don't know who takes credit for them.If it's Alec,respect to the man. :p

Very cool. Anyone have a copy of the new lyrics?

Hugh definitely came up with the baseline for Keep The Faith. I can't quote you the source right now but I distinctly remember coming across that information. I think it was an interview with Jon where he was talking about Hugh and how Hugh has been with him since the very beginning of the band and didn't want to join the band but always had influence, including playing in the studio and creating baselines, including the baseline to Keep The Faith.

Damn, the sound quality is so bad I can't make out one word of those new lyrics. Sounds like a fairly substantial change though.

Well it's not like either of them are masters of the instrument, sounds like Jon admires Hugh's playing though. And to the creative input thing, I think everyone who plays on the record gets to write their parts for the songs, with input from Jon, John and Richie of course....

uhauhuuhhuauh.

LMAO, what a retard.

retard indeed! it is a soundcheck maybe is in ears monitoring was not set yet
so many ppl doesn t know how things work on stage.

Jon has his bad moments in Jersey, but his voice is on this tour.

What's retarded about your comments are the fact that you're not thinking before you type. For starters, anything they can do to cover a voice, they would be doing at soundcheck as well.

Second, here's how you've contradicted yourself. IF Jon was using things like Auto-tune to fix his voice live, then he'd never go flat. But you have said time and time again he's out of key. Well, he can't be out of key with autotune, unless they're tuning him wrong. Do you know how Auto-tune works sir? I run a studio, so I clearly do. I've helped plenty of people with it. And there's a fact to be said here... plenty of bands use it live. Bon Jovi is not one of them. There are vocal warmups Jon does and he obviously doesn't go full-fledged for soundchecks by the many I've seen.

You've seriously become nothing but a troll.

Ohh, and one more thing... yes, I don't agree with them changing the lyrics to Dry County, but it's a song JBJ wrote and if he wants to change it, he has that right. However, it's obvious by the fact that they didn't change the lyrics during the show that they agree with you. They were trying something out and apparently, they didn't like it. Why criticize them just to do it there? They must have agreed with you.

Ladies and gentlemen and jungleland, I heared Job Bon Jovi singing Always while he was taking a shower. Oh god, that was amazing, better then I ever heared him sing! So, there you go!

As to Jungleland -his behaviour is that of a typical troll. The trolls write challenging and controversial comments just to stirr uproar, start angry argument, make chaos. They write and wait for people's angry reaction; it is their objective! And when feedback comes they are very happy with their success. They like being the ones who pull the strings and play on people's emotions.

Therefore I think that any rational responses of the thinking and well-argumenting users of this forum simply feed Jungleland's primitive instincts and make this thoughtless satisfied with achieving his silly ends. Let's just boycott him!

I have a feeling that trolling is his basic and the only life activity. I cannot understand how he finds time to spend all day in the forums, analyzing all positive posts and writing his exhaustive stupidly malicious, controversial and malcontent answers. IS the man flat enough to have no interests or aims in life? No job, no favourite books, no friends, no love of sports/films/music (because trolling is not about music) etc etc...?

VERY well written Marta. A perfect description of a troll anywhere, on any forum. This one has been on my ignore list for a long time - except for a short period when he was acting like a reasonable human being.

If you weren't the troll that we claim you are, you wouldn't waste most of your daily time in forum full nerds and fans of a band, that you don't like anymore. I say stay off this forum for a month or so. Then, you'll prove you're not a troll. But I strongly doubt that and off course you'll continue waisting your time in the forum this band who is 'way over past their prime'. I really don't expect a sincere answer from you to this post (cause what I'm probably gonna get is another 'they have no energy, past their prime, fans with pink glasses and you can't admit that' thing) but I just want you to understand this - either you're a troll, which means get the **** out of this forum and get a life, or you're all dead serious about this which makes you a miserable person whose lound and annoying opinion is something nobody here gives a shit about. Either way, I believe that if you dislike this band for what it is today, you really don't need this forum and this forum sure as hell doesn't need you.

My english is far from perfect but I hope I made myself clear.

You know I don't get people like you. What's wrong with following a band or seeing them 10 or 20 times a tour if that is what a person chooses to do?? You call them lunatics but you wouldn't say that to someone who holds season tickets to a futbol team and watches that team 20 times or has season tickets to the Yankees in America and that is 82 games. What's the difference??

It seems you have a love affair with the 80's version of BJ, which is fine, but unlike BJ and the rest of us, it seems you have never grown past that. You like the raw power hair metal, we got it, good for you. It's just that that isn't all that BJ is anymore. It's apparent you don't like the direction they chose, that you consider it "less" than their 80's work. OK so why not take your 80's material, enjoy it, and let the rest of us do our thing?? I was there in the 80's, and the 90's and the 2000's. I don't see "less", I don't see second rate. I see older, more mature, less angst ridden, less edgy, more polished, better musicians, still in "love" with what they get to do. Is it the best music ever made?? Nope not then , not now. But it is the music that "talks " to me. As of the release of the Circle there are always one or two songs on every record that fit my life at the time, this time out is no exception so as long as that happens I'm in, this is the band I most want to see and hear.

Why don't you try to go see Bon Jovi Jungleland?
You never know if you change your mind watching it live ;)

I wasn't really saying RIGHT NOW, but when you have the possibility, you may try to go to one. Besides, even with bad memories as you say you have, it can't get any worse since you even like "The Circle" (kinda).
Just saying :)

You gotta give it shot first to know if it will give you bad memories :p

Depends on where you live darlin". I grew up in one part of the US and now live across the country. My sports teams are still back east so if I want to see them live it costs me as much or more than BJ.
Who's to say I don't do all those other things as well??
Hmm i guess tha check I just wote yesterday to pay for my grandkids dance lessons and martial arts classes doesn't count huh?? Or my passport that says I've been in England, France,Italy, Spain, jamaica, martinique to name a few??
Or the ticket stubs from the louvre, The Metropolitian Museam of Art, The Smithsonian, or all those souveniers I got one summer with my Dad when we went to evey national monument in the US.
Oh and while we are at it, the only one that has ever paid for BJ is me, with my own money that I worked and earned.

FFS, is this the Youtube thread or not?

The last two pages have been full of babbling bullshit and not a single link or discussion regarding one.

:2gunfire:

The babbling will end shortly in all threads.

I will do my part, AFTER this post, to no longer feed the troll. I promise!

It comes down to this... I say what I say to him because I wonder how far he'll go. Proving him wrong time and time again and then he makes up new stuff. It's just fun. The auto-tune thing is my favorite... about them using it sometimes. He just has no clue, but he toured backstage at a Journey concert, instead of BEING in the music business and having used autotune for people before, as I have.

I promise though... no more! Nothing wrong with debating the band and have problems with them. I certainly do... but they're a damn good band and that's just a fact. My favorite as a matter of fact, which is why I critique them so much in the first place.

Sorry guys you are correct, no more from me either.

Loves the Only Rule Meadowlands:
Cool black and white video.

That is sweet. I wish... SO BADLY... that they'd release this as a single and just do a live video of it. The radio get the album version and MTV/VH1 get a live one.

Unfortunately the sound is mono.

This song comes over really well live. It's a show highlight in my opinion. I liked the arena version even better than the stadium version - it was longer.