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Johny 03-10-2012 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by powernoize (Post 1080805)
i've always assumed this was an improv intro to Never Say Goodbye....i remember googling some of the lyrics a while back in hopes to find it was a cover song but nothing came up in the search results.

Actually it was played as intro to Never Say Goodbye in a spot when he usually did acoustic version of Twist & Shout or Not Fade Away. However this sounds like a song not just improvisation. Maybe it was prepared therefore it could be some demo written on the road which didn't make it to New Jersey??

Rdkopper 03-10-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1080811)
Actually it was played as intro to Never Say Goodbye in a spot when he usually did acoustic version of Twist & Shout or Not Fade Away. However this sounds like a song not just improvisation. Maybe it was prepared therefore it could be some demo written on the road which didn't make it to New Jersey??

I agree. That was no improv or cover. That was a song in the making.

I titled it "Don't Say Goodbye"

BTW, there was no such thing as a bad Bon Jovi song back then. That muffled partial song sounded so good. It was music to my ears (literally). I would take that as a new single.

bonjovi90 03-11-2012 05:39 PM

After the current Fahrenheit discussion I started to like Silent Night more again - but only the live versions:

Great solo from Richie and I can only repeat what I already commented on the video:
This was still at a time where Jon poured every ounce of energy and every bit of emotion he had into the performance of their ballads!
On the other hand it was also the time where at maximum 2 ballads were done per night and not something like 10...as they do nowadays :D

bonjovi90 03-13-2012 08:00 PM

The very first live performance of Bed of Roses - Red Bank 1991:

At this point the band had just been roughly one month in the studio recording KTF and it was another 10 months till the record was released. Very good performance, and only minor differences from the final version: Richie plays the intro riff again before the 2nd verse, the solo is a bit different, and Jon does something that was almost "tradition" for their 80's ballads but never happened later during that song - he improvised parts in the end! Very cool :)

Kathleen 03-13-2012 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1080858)
After the current Fahrenheit discussion I started to like Silent Night more again - but only the live versions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPtTBwwf3o

Great solo from Richie and I can only repeat what I already commented on the video:
This was still at a time where Jon poured every ounce of energy and every bit of emotion he had into the performance of their ballads!
On the other hand it was also the time where at maximum 2 ballads were done per night and not something like 10...as they do nowadays :D

I always loved Silent Night - it's one of those songs that you wanted to listen to a million times after a breakup. If you've ever been been there (and most people have) I think it captured the feeling perfectly.

The Rock 03-13-2012 09:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1080858)
After the current Fahrenheit discussion I started to like Silent Night more again - but only the live versions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPtTBwwf3o

Great solo from Richie and I can only repeat what I already commented on the video:
This was still at a time where Jon poured every ounce of energy and every bit of emotion he had into the performance of their ballads!

The song is a personal one for Jon; it's about his break up with his girlfriend (now wife) and so has a lot of meaning to him. You are right, he sings it with emotion and feeling.

I do wonder sometimes now that Jon is not going through a break up and relationship hardship, is it harder now to sing with energy and emotion behind the ballads? Do you have to live it, to feel it? You can always put yourself back in that time and place but is it the same? Than again, when he sings Always it's always (most) with emotion.

Johny 03-14-2012 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1080983)
The very first live performance of Bed of Roses - Red Bank 1991:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdDr-...8aFAAAAAAAAAAA

At this point the band had just been roughly one month in the studio recording KTF and it was another 10 months till the record was released. Very good performance, and only minor differences from the final version: Richie plays the intro riff again before the 2nd verse, the solo is a bit different, and Jon does something that was almost "tradition" for their 80's ballads but never happened later during that song - he improvised parts in the end! Very cool :)

Yes, this is excellent!! You know I love it. Bed Of Roses done the 80s way! The whole Xmas show is amazing, only the audio quality might be better :(

heart&dagger 03-14-2012 12:18 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1080993)
The song is a personal one for Jon; it's about his break up with his girlfriend (now wife) and so has a lot of meaning to him. You are right, he sings it with emotion and feeling.

I do wonder sometimes now that Jon is not going through a break up and relationship hardship, is it harder now to sing with energy and emotion behind the ballads? Do you have to live it, to feel it? You can always put yourself back in that time and place but is it the same? Than again, when he sings Always it's always (most) with emotion.

I'm curious to see what ends up on their next album, because of exactly what you said, above.

Personally, I miss those old "relationship/break up/love songs" whether they were rockers or ballads.

If this next album is more --- politically/socially based, it won't hold much interest for me.

Thank you for saying what I could never have found the right words for, in your last paragraph, above...

heart&dagger 03-14-2012 12:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1080821)
I agree. That was no improv or cover. That was a song in the making.

I titled it "Don't Say Goodbye"

BTW, there was no such thing as a bad Bon Jovi song back then. That muffled partial song sounded so good. It was music to my ears (literally). I would take that as a new single.

Music to my ears, as well.

I would LOVE it as a new single. Just sayin'

I wish the band would pull out some songs from that vault of theirs, such as the one mentioned above, perhaps re work them, and put them on the new album.

Don't think that's going to happen, though, based on the shear number of writers working on this new Bon Jovi album.

I love their older music, so much more, than the newer music. I cannot add anything that has not already been said, yes --- it was filled with so... much emotion. *sigh*

I will always regret that I missed that era of their music. Always.

Anyway --- I'm almost afraid to see how this new album turns out...

Hoping to be surprised though.

Rdkopper 03-14-2012 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1080983)
The very first live performance of Bed of Roses - Red Bank 1991:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdDr-...8aFAAAAAAAAAAA

At this point the band had just been roughly one month in the studio recording KTF and it was another 10 months till the record was released. Very good performance, and only minor differences from the final version: Richie plays the intro riff again before the 2nd verse, the solo is a bit different, and Jon does something that was almost "tradition" for their 80's ballads but never happened later during that song - he improvised parts in the end! Very cool :)

Amazing! If Jon could still sing like that, with those notes and that passion they'd still be having hit today. The song doesn't make the hit, they way it's done does.

BTY, I was there and still remember that song being played. And when the album came out, I went right to that song. I didn't forget it

bonjovi90 03-15-2012 02:23 AM

Even though it was cut down to pieces for the TV appearance - this still ranks among my favorite Always performances:
Jon sings his heart out and when Richie joins in on the "when he holds you close..." part it just sends shivers down my spine!

Lampinen 03-15-2012 03:36 AM

The change in Jon's vocal production in 15 years.

Riddled with effects and overdubs. The sound is plastic and bubble-gum-pop. What a stupid choice, since the song was the edgiest track they've released in 2000.

The real thing.

crashed 03-15-2012 03:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Lampinen (Post 1081064)
The change in Jon's vocal production in 15 years.

Riddled with effects and overdubs. The sound is plastic and bubble-gum-pop. What a stupid choice, since the song was the edgiest track they've released in 2000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM2ku...eature=channel

The real thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwcnO...eature=related

But you're almost comparing apples with oranges.

Jon's vocals were at his absolute peak when he recorded Blaze Of Glory. If the band had kept it together and made an album in 1990 it would have blown anything else they'd have done out of the water.

We all know in 05/06 Jon's vocals were really struggling, but they've definitely improved since.

kety 03-15-2012 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1080858)
After the current Fahrenheit discussion I started to like Silent Night more again - but only the live versions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6dPtTBwwf3o

Great solo from Richie and I can only repeat what I already commented on the video:
This was still at a time where Jon poured every ounce of energy and every bit of emotion he had into the performance of their ballads!
On the other hand it was also the time where at maximum 2 ballads were done per night and not something like 10...as they do nowadays :D

Thank you. I love 80s ballads, so much emotions and feeling in songs.

Lampinen 03-16-2012 12:12 AM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1081065)
But you're almost comparing apples with oranges.

Jon's vocals were at his absolute peak when he recorded Blaze Of Glory. If the band had kept it together and made an album in 1990 it would have blown anything else they'd have done out of the water.

We all know in 05/06 Jon's vocals were really struggling, but they've definitely improved since.

I was comparing the tracks from a production point of view.

That said, I disagree on everything you said :) I think the powerfull, chesty, yet clear high notes on Keep the Faith are Jon's finest vocal moments in the studio. No sign of the forced throaty distortion of the previous 2 albums.

And I also think Jon sounds great on HAND, better than any other post TD band album! Unfortunately you can hear for the first time his clear use of autotune :( That was a major bummer for me.

Simon 03-16-2012 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Johny (Post 1080997)
Yes, this is excellent!! You know I love it. Bed Of Roses done the 80s way! The whole Xmas show is amazing, only the audio quality might be better :(

Do you have the setlist? I didn't find that particular one.

bonjovi90 03-16-2012 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon (Post 1081156)
Do you have the setlist? I didn't find that particular one.

Fever
Born To Be My Baby
You Give Love A Bad Name
Wild In The Streets
Love For Sale
Bed Of Roses
Diamond Ring
It's My Life
We Gotta Get Outta This Place
Blaze Of Glory
Wanted Dead Or Alive
Livin' On A Prayer
I'd Die For You
Blood On Blood
I'll Be There For You
Bad Medicine/Gloria/Shout
Levon
With A Little Help From My Friends
The Sole Truth
Silent Night (christmas version)

Lunk 03-16-2012 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon (Post 1081156)
Do you have the setlist? I didn't find that particular one.

The setlist was as follows ;)

01. Fever
02. Born to be my baby
03. You Give Love A Bad Name
04. Wild in the streets
05. Love for sale
06. Bed of roses
07. Diamond ring
08. It's my life
09. We gotta get out of this place
10. Blaze of glory
11. Wanted dead or alive
12. What You Want
13. I'd die for you
14. Blood on blood
15. I'll be there for you
16. Bad medicine ~ Gloria
17. Shout
18. Levon
19. With a little help from my friends
20. The sole truth
21. Silent night

God, I miss those shows!

Simon 03-17-2012 12:49 AM

Great, thanks! I wasn't aware of this show & early performance of "Bed Of Roses".

They played "Levon", interesting! And "The Sole Truth", isn't that an outtake - or a cover?

GabrielC 03-17-2012 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon (Post 1081161)
Great, thanks! I wasn't aware of this show & early performance of "Bed Of Roses".

They played "Levon", interesting! And "The Sole Truth", isn't that an outtake - or a cover?

Outtake.


faith1985 03-17-2012 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon (Post 1081161)
Great, thanks! I wasn't aware of this show & early performance of "Bed Of Roses".

They played "Levon", interesting! And "The Sole Truth", isn't that an outtake - or a cover?

I think it is a song that never made it to the recording process but who knows. It would be interesting to hear a proper version of it.


bonjovi90 03-17-2012 02:53 PM


Keep The Faith - Nuernberg 1993
When Jon screams "I'm breaking lose...!" I get goosebumps all the way. Awesome ad-libs after the solo!

Avantasian 03-17-2012 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1081165)
I think it is a song that never made it to the recording process but who knows. It would be interesting to hear a proper version of it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLFmwAZfsNY

As far as I know The Sole Thruth lost its place on KTF to Bed Of Roses.
At least that's what I once read.

faith1985 03-17-2012 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Avantasian (Post 1081169)
As far as I know The Sole Thruth lost its place on KTF to Bed Of Roses.
At least that's what I once read.

That could mean that they've actually recorded it.

faith1985 03-17-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1081167)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xDpl...eature=related

Keep The Faith - Nuernberg 1993
When Jon screams "I'm breaking lose...!" I get goosebumps all the way. Awesome ad-libs after the solo!

Awesome find. Those performances were unbeatable!

Avantasian 03-17-2012 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1081172)
That could mean that they've actually recorded it.

I hope they have demoed it at least and will someday release it one day on another boxset or so.
Yet I think they didn't take it into closer consideration, as it wasn't on the review sheets that could be seen in the KTF-Vault pictures.

bonjovi90 03-18-2012 12:57 PM

On the other hand...not so long after the release of KTF Jon stated "I'm not too proud with all song choices on the album, there are another 15 or 20 songs sitting in my vault that I partly would have rather seen there". So I guess they really might have recorded it.

Avantasian 03-18-2012 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1081207)
On the other hand...not so long after the release of KTF Jon stated "I'm not too proud with all song choices on the album, there are another 15 or 20 songs sitting in my vault that I partly would have rather seen there". So I guess they really might have recorded it.

Yeah I remember Jon saying something like that. Seems like they recorded a lot of songs properly for Keep The Faith (Radio Saved My Life Tonight, Taking It Back, Sympathy ... etc.), so why not The Sole Truth, too?

faith1985 03-18-2012 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1081207)
On the other hand...not so long after the release of KTF Jon stated "I'm not too proud with all song choices on the album, there are another 15 or 20 songs sitting in my vault that I partly would have rather seen there". So I guess they really might have recorded it.

Do you know if that interview is on youtube?

bonjovi90 03-18-2012 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by faith1985 (Post 1081213)
Do you know if that interview is on youtube?

I just remember having seen that once, maybe on a compilation disc. If it will cross my way again, I'll upload it ;)

bonjovi90 03-18-2012 04:53 PM

Coming back to The Sole Truth once again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iXIksktXSBs

Just found that I had a version where some denoising was done and Jon's vocals got put more upfront (I think done back then by Kathleen?)
I had a discussion with Avantasian and he brought up that this must have been written during the grey summer period, and indeed it has a similar mood to Miss 4th of July, so they could have been written around the same time (probably alone by Jon then).
Btw...does anyone have any idea who might be playing the saxophone here?

faith1985 03-18-2012 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1081216)
Coming back to The Sole Truth once again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iXIksktXSBs

Just found that I had a version where some denoising was done and Jon's vocals got put more upfront (I think done back then by Kathleen?)
I had a discussion with Avantasian and he brought up that this must have been written during the grey summer period, and indeed it has a similar mood to Miss 4th of July, so they could have been written around the same time (probably alone by Jon then).
Btw...does anyone have any idea who might be playing the saxophone here?

Thanks!! (and a big thanks to the person who did the "editing") this is way better!

bonjovi90 03-19-2012 11:59 PM

If you got 1.5 spare hours left...really recommendable!

Captain_jovi 03-20-2012 12:47 AM

In regards to KTF, I remember reading Jon saying he shouldn't have put Woman in Love and Little Bit of Soul on the album.

Captmorgs 03-20-2012 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1081315)
If you got 1.5 spare hours left...really recommendable!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CosmDv93rw

Nice find! Only Lonely and Shot Through The Heart are tremendous.

Living_on_my_Hair 03-20-2012 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1081327)
Nice find! Only Lonely and Shot Through The Heart are tremendous.

Great early show, love the energy. I sometimes forget how much cool shredding Richie has on all those early tracks! Miss the youthful energy, and little things like Alec being there and Jon moving about with his mic stand alot, and richie shredding it up...


andi

bonjovi90 03-25-2012 11:05 PM

Finally got this one to sound quite good. I sometimes get more excited from this song than I do when I listen to Sleep, but this may be due to the latter one being horribly overplayed.
I could :2gunfire: Jon for not playing it more often:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=vn2G6eI9qY0

Kathleen 03-26-2012 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1081216)
Coming back to The Sole Truth once again:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=iXIksktXSBs

Just found that I had a version where some denoising was done and Jon's vocals got put more upfront (I think done back then by Kathleen?)
I had a discussion with Avantasian and he brought up that this must have been written during the grey summer period, and indeed it has a similar mood to Miss 4th of July, so they could have been written around the same time (probably alone by Jon then).
Btw...does anyone have any idea who might be playing the saxophone here?

I did the editing on this and yes it took about 2 hours to denoise just 1 song. As for the saxaphone it would probably have been one of the Asbury Jukes - either Eddie Manion or Joey Stann

Kathleen 03-26-2012 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1081557)
Finally got this one to sound quite good. I sometimes get more excited from this song than I do when I listen to Sleep, but this may be due to the latter one being horribly overplayed.
I could :2gunfire: Jon for not playing it more often:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=vn2G6eI9qY0

Wow - good job :) Sounds great

nrm123 03-27-2012 08:06 PM

Remade a Bad Name cover using my Kramer JS.
Have a look if you want


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