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Lampinen 12-30-2012 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1098653)
It's from Stranger In This Town US tour. You can listen to the whole album "On Lead Guitar" for free on Spotify, which is from that concert, it includes 12 songs from it. Just find Richie Sambora as an artist. The I'll Be There For You was also included in some deluxe versions of Undiscovered Soul.
Any idea if the third verse was skipped on purpose or accidentally? :D

bonjovi90 01-01-2013 04:11 PM
Best KTF performance in a long time!

Happy new year everyone! :)

Wrath Mania 01-02-2013 01:15 AM

These Days- Frankfurt 2008.

I think this is the best version of the song I've heard in the recent era. He really tries to hit the notes instead of coasting through them. Anyone else agree?

bonjovi90 01-02-2013 01:33 AM
Since I was there I definately agree! It also was the only time in recent times where he went for the higher register while singing the "rather die than fade away" part.

Supersonic 01-02-2013 01:44 AM
Aloha !

Quote:
Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1098750)
Since I was there I definately agree! It also was the only time in recent times where he went for the higher register while singing the "rather die than fade away" part.
Yeah, it's the best performance of These Days I've seen. Jon did the song justice from start to finish and Lorenza pushed Richie to play the guitar solo himself which was a nice surprise as well. The first 20 minutes of the show were rather slow but it really picked up during Sleep. Jon was in really good form that night and really kept pushing the band.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

bonjovi90 01-02-2013 04:11 PM
Great scene from Mannheim: Jon trying to tell David that he should sing the part after the solo, but he can't read Jon's lips and furthermore it's great how no one cares about Bobby's solo :D

jon-flp 01-02-2013 04:59 PM
For me, this is the best These Days in recent days.

Johny 01-02-2013 07:37 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1098752)
Aloha !



Yeah, it's the best performance of These Days I've seen. Jon did the song justice from start to finish and Lorenza pushed Richie to play the guitar solo himself which was a nice surprise as well. The first 20 minutes of the show were rather slow but it really picked up during Sleep. Jon was in really good form that night and really kept pushing the band.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
I haven't notices this before that Richie asked her three times to join him during the outro and she refused. However he didn't play any outro solo, just the main riff

It can't be seen from the video if there was any communication between Richie and Lorenza before the solo but it looks like he automatically played it. I've watched some videos and sometimes it was just Lorenza playing the solo (Tokyo 2008) and sometimes they somehow jammed or switched roles in playing the lead. This was mainly when he was singing the song. When it was Jon's turned, he played the solo himself. However in Leipzig it was Lorenza doing the solo. In Punchestown it was Richie (fortunately because I was there).

Johny 01-02-2013 07:41 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1098773)
Great scene from Mannheim: Jon trying to tell David that he should sing the part after the solo, but he can't read Jon's lips and furthermore it's great how no one cares about Bobby's solo :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRTYAS05h7c
It's funny.. "read these lips" :) he wanted to give him more lines after dubbing him during the second part of second (or rather third) verse :)

What I like more about this video, is realizing who uploaded the video and what he seems to be still working on!

Emisambora 01-04-2013 03:11 AM
I canīt recall a mix with richieīs guitar so loud in the last decade like it was on Letterman show 2010



Itīs shame he used an ESP there

bonjovi90 01-05-2013 04:21 AM
Since we had just been talking about the Frankfurt 2008 version - I upped the original video with dubbed audio:

TwinFan 01-05-2013 06:28 AM
^That's great, but I'd have to disagree with the comment you put in the description. That is by far the best vocal performance of These Days since 1996, but by no means is it the best one Jon has given on the song ever.

nickolai 01-05-2013 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1099001)
^That's great, but I'd have to disagree with the comment you put in the description. That is by far the best vocal performance of These Days since 1996, but by no means is it the best one Jon has given on the song ever.
Really? He couldn't hit the last high bit and didn't bother with the rest. In my opinion Jon has sung better versions of These Days in the 2010/11 tour

nickolai 01-05-2013 12:34 PM
This is a far vocally better version of These Days:

Walleris 01-05-2013 01:03 PM
I'm with nickolai on this one.

Sure, Frankfurt is a great performance, Jon's "I guess I'd rather die..." part and his little burst of energy are nice and everything, but his voice in 2008 in general is overrated due to the fact how shitty it was a few years prior and it is evident here. He doesn't go for a high note in the chorus ('But these days!') and and the "ain't nobody left but us these days" in the end is just a shoutfest and he's not even in key.

In the last tour, however, I think we saw better performances. Sometimes he would go for that high note in chorus (something I didn't think we'd see ever), the "woaaow" ad-libs are nice too and in the South American leg he did a great ending repeating the "ain't nobody..." line much better than here in Frankfurt. And in general, his voice in 2010 was way less strained and nasal.

If I had to pick the best performance from this century, it's a toss-up between Buenos Aires and Rio. Both very similar, but fantastic performance with Jon, IMO, at hist nowadays' best.

bonjovi90 01-05-2013 01:17 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1099001)
^That's great, but I'd have to disagree with the comment you put in the description. That is by far the best vocal performance of These Days since 1996, but by no means is it the best one Jon has given on the song ever.
You're right and I stand corrected. Maybe I was overwhelmed due to the fact that I was there and was on such a high as this one followed right after a killer performance of Damned!
Some of the Circle tour performances were really brilliant - Rio, Buenos Aires, London. However, one that is often overlooked is the one from Sydney 2010:
Vocally, he didn't go for it as much as he did on other shows - but the way he delivered the Jimmy Shoes verse sends shivers down my spine every time I watch it!

Wrath Mania 01-05-2013 01:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1099015)
I'm with nickolai on this one.

Sure, Frankfurt is a great performance, Jon's "I guess I'd rather die..." part and his little burst of energy are nice and everything, but his voice in 2008 in general is overrated due to the fact how shitty it was a few years prior and it is evident here. He doesn't go for a high note in the chorus ('But these days!') and and the "ain't nobody left but us these days" in the end is just a shoutfest and he's not even in key.

In the last tour, however, I think we saw better performances. Sometimes he would go for that high note in chorus (something I didn't think we'd see ever), the "woaaow" ad-libs are nice too and in the South American leg he did a great ending repeating the "ain't nobody..." line much better than here in Frankfurt. And in general, his voice in 2010 was way less strained and nasal.

If I had to pick the best performance from this century, it's a toss-up between Buenos Aires and Rio. Both very similar, but fantastic performance with Jon, IMO, at hist nowadays' best.
I think both you and nikolalalalalal are bonkers. I haven't heard a single version of these days from the last tour where he belts out the chorus he way he does in the Frankfurt version. Listen to how he sings "The steets No No No." It's the only version where he comes close to matching the intensity of the album version, at least recently. All the versions from the last tour feel so much weaker in comparison because he refuses to really sing fully for that high note. THAT'S the high note of that chorus, not what you're talking about.

nickolai 01-05-2013 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1099017)
I think both you and nikolalalalalal are bonkers. I haven't heard a single version of these days from the last tour where he belts out the chorus he way he does in the Frankfurt version. Listen to how he sings "The steets No No No." It's the only version where he comes close to matching the intensity of the album version, at least recently. All the versions from the last tour feel so much weaker in comparison because he refuses to really sing fully for that high note. THAT'S the high note of that chorus, not what you're talking about.
What, just because Jon "shouts" No No No in 2008 makes it a better version? When Jon nails "ain't no body left" in 2010 it is higher than the "No No No" so it isn't a case of Jon can't nail it. Do you think, just maybe Jon's excluding the "No No No" because its an integral crowd part where 50,000 people shout it? It's called crowd interaction. Jon does it all the time with various songs.

Supersonic 01-05-2013 01:46 PM
Aloha !

Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1099017)
I think both you and nikolalalalalal are bonkers. I haven't heard a single version of these days from the last tour where he belts out the chorus he way he does in the Frankfurt version. Listen to how he sings "The steets No No No." It's the only version where he comes close to matching the intensity of the album version, at least recently. All the versions from the last tour feel so much weaker in comparison because he refuses to really sing fully for that high note. THAT'S the high note of that chorus, not what you're talking about.
Yeah, this. Plus that on the last few performances Jon sounds flat all the way through with the ones from South America being the exception here and there. The example Nickolai posted from London is a rather bland one, no emotion and Jon struggles a lot, even with the verses. And judging from the way he's looking he knows it too.

Frankfurt was the last time Jon sang the full chorus every time as opposed to just It's not just a matter of hitting the notes, it's a matter of how the full song is delivered. The verses in Frankfurt start a bit flat but Jon really, really tries and gets into the song like I haven't seen since 1996. His range opens up a bit and he's capable of delivering the vocals with a rich quality that hasn't been doen ever since.

It's not the best version ever, but it's certainly the best version since 1996. The 2008 tour had really good vocals and it's a shame Jon didn't try to go for the more vocally demanding songs more often as he was really capable of delivering would he have trained his voice more like on occasions like this.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

TwinFan 01-05-2013 04:08 PM
Combined with the vocals and the passion, Frankfurt was the best since 96, IMO. Yes, there were many good performances in 2010 and 2011, but that Frankfurt one was excellent all around.

Thierry 01-05-2013 04:16 PM
These Days from Arnhem 2000 was better than this one. Jon's vocals where much better during the Crush and OWN tour.

Supersonic 01-05-2013 04:28 PM
Aloha !

Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1099037)
These Days from Arnhem 2000 was better than this one. Jon's vocals where much better during the Crush and OWN tour.
Yeah but the golden trousers make all the performances invalid. I also feel that the band sounds dreadful during the Crush tour.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

jon-flp 01-05-2013 05:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1099038)
Aloha !



Yeah but the golden trousers make all the performances invalid. I also feel that the band sounds dreadful during the Crush tour.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
Completely agree Seb....those golden trousers....kkkk :2gunfire:

bonjovi90 01-05-2013 05:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1099037)
These Days from Arnhem 2000 was better than this one. Jon's vocals where much better during the Crush and OWN tour.
Just because the audience sang the whole first verse instead of Jon :D

IndiannaRose 01-05-2013 08:43 PM
Regarding vocals; this version from Bremen (2000) beats all others posted in this thread by a mile (post 1996):


Though, Jon sang the song quite nicely in both 2008 and 2010.

nickolai 01-05-2013 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by IndiannaRose (Post 1099061)
Regarding vocals; this version from Bremen (2000) beats all others posted in this thread by a mile (post 1996):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvTullUnOt8

Though, Jon sang the song quite nicely in both 2008 and 2010.
To be fair this version is fukcin awesome! Nails everything. But his voice still had remnants of the 90s at this point before it all went Pete Tong in 2003

bonjovi90 01-06-2013 04:23 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiannaRose (Post 1099061)
Regarding vocals; this version from Bremen (2000) beats all others posted in this thread by a mile (post 1996):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvTullUnOt8

Though, Jon sang the song quite nicely in both 2008 and 2010.
That's a great one too, I love how his vocals get raspy when he goes for the "rather die..." part (yes, that's a point where I judge most of the These Days performances...it gives the entire verse a total different attitude for me).

I listened to WWWB today and realized how much this song still means to me and a vague memory popped into my head of a performance I truly loved from the Circle tour - and I found it:
For me this is the best and most intense live version of the song. Can't say way, it doesn't sound much different from many others, but this particular one always grabs me :)

jon-flp 01-06-2013 06:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1099099)
I listened to WWWB today and realized how much this song still means to me and a vague memory popped into my head of a performance I truly loved from the Circle tour - and I found it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpuC9AX-pGg
For me this is the best and most intense live version of the song. Can't say way, it doesn't sound much different from many others, but this particular one always grabs me :)
Very nice...

And I found this, from the same gig:


The best version of this song so far. You can feel so much soul and passion from Jon...simply amazing! :grin:

Wrath Mania 01-06-2013 07:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1099023)
Aloha !



Yeah, this. Plus that on the last few performances Jon sounds flat all the way through with the ones from South America being the exception here and there. The example Nickolai posted from London is a rather bland one, no emotion and Jon struggles a lot, even with the verses. And judging from the way he's looking he knows it too.

Frankfurt was the last time Jon sang the full chorus every time as opposed to just It's not just a matter of hitting the notes, it's a matter of how the full song is delivered. The verses in Frankfurt start a bit flat but Jon really, really tries and gets into the song like I haven't seen since 1996. His range opens up a bit and he's capable of delivering the vocals with a rich quality that hasn't been doen ever since.

It's not the best version ever, but it's certainly the best version since 1996. The 2008 tour had really good vocals and it's a shame Jon didn't try to go for the more vocally demanding songs more often as he was really capable of delivering would he have trained his voice more like on occasions like this.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
Without knowing jack shit I 100% agree with you. Especially about how great his voice was towards the end of the 2008 tour... and yet he never really took advantage of it (I know that's easy to say when, prior to that tour, Always seemed dead in the water. But still). I don't know, from what I've seen- and I didn't pay that much attention to this past tour compared to the Lost Highway gigs- he seemed to care more about demonstrating his vocals in 2008 versus just playing it safe. This performance of TD being one example, but also I have gotten the sense that Always was more consistently delivered on the LH Tour than it was in 2010-2011. Was that the case with most songs? Or am I full of shit. I don't know, It just wouldn't shock me if, after LH, Jon was like, "well shit I showed them I can still sing," and then stopped pushing himself from there. I know we got STBI last tour but we never got a version where he went all the way- and I doubt that's because he's physically incapable of it.

IndiannaRose 01-06-2013 08:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1099102)
I know we got STBI last tour but we never got a version where he went all the way- and I doubt that's because he's physically incapable of it.
Oh, yes we did. Sydney's version was absolutely mind-blowing:


In my opinion, he went all the way with that one.

SuperBrad 01-06-2013 09:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiannaRose (Post 1099106)
Oh, yes we did. Sydney's version was absolutely mind-blowing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ySaGogCK0

In my opinion, he went all the way with that one.
Totally agree ! I was there and it was amazing .

Wrath Mania 01-06-2013 11:08 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by IndiannaRose (Post 1099106)
Oh, yes we did. Sydney's version was absolutely mind-blowing:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ySaGogCK0

In my opinion, he went all the way with that one.
That is definitely the best version from the tour, at least from what I've seen, but he still doesn't hit the final note truly, and I'm willing to bet with a little more work he probably could have.

Don't get me wrong though, it's a great version and I would love to have had it at my shitty Philadelphia show.

bonjovi90 01-06-2013 01:55 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon-flp (Post 1099100)
Very nice...

And I found this, from the same gig:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWUE5fjX4DI

The best version of this song so far. You can feel so much soul and passion from Jon...simply amazing! :grin:
Yes this one was amazing too. I remember just watching the reprise with "I wanna fly..." out on the circle like a hundred times in a row :D

bonjovi90 01-06-2013 02:25 PM
Just realized that, if the song would be performed with that much energy, I'd even like Till We Ain't Strangers Anymore:

Thierry 01-06-2013 03:07 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1099127)
Just realized that, if the song would be performed with that much energy, I'd even like Till We Ain't Strangers Anymore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KdYC0...&feature=share
LOL I walked out that gig yesterday. The sound in the venue sucked and the setlist too. I left after Everyday when they started Born To Follow. The band was really sloppy last night. They messed up Dc and some more, I thought Just Pink was better.

Living_on_my_Hair 01-06-2013 03:59 PM

Live in Red Bank 1996, full show proshot with interviews etc

01 - All I want is everything
02 - Damned
03 - These days
04 - You give love a bad name
05 - I'll be there for you (Richie on vocals)
06 - Someday I'll be Saturday night
07 - Rocking all over the world
08 - Keep the faith
09 - Wanted dead or alive
10 - Run Rudolph run
11 - What a wonderful word (Tico on vocals)
12 - The Chanukah song (David on vocals)

Interesting setlist (no Prayer, Bad Mx), and what a bunch of opening songs! I'm assuming this was a fanclub show?


Andi

Supersonic 01-06-2013 04:03 PM
Aloha !

Quote:
Originally Posted by Living_on_my_Hair (Post 1099135)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaDGyEBDilE

Live in Red Bank 1996, full show proshot with interviews etc

Andi
It's not the full show, it's from a video Backstage released back then. The order of songs is changed quite a bit. The full show was similar to the 1996 set with the odd surprise here and there.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Living_on_my_Hair 01-06-2013 04:12 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1099136)
Aloha !



It's not the full show, it's from a video Backstage released back then. The order of songs is changed quite a bit. The full show was similar to the 1996 set with the odd surprise here and there.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan
Watching it now, those Backstager events scare me.

What's the full setlist of this show then?

And irregardless of whether it is the full show or not, it has interesting choices and I am sure people will be interested to watch it.

All I want is everything is a great rocker, I'd put that up alongside of Good guys, Hey God and Damned as some of their best rock numbers. I miss the 90's.


Andi

Supersonic 01-06-2013 04:14 PM
Aloha !

Quote:
Originally Posted by Living_on_my_Hair (Post 1099137)
Watching it now, those Backstager events scare me.

What's the full setlist of this show then?

And irregardless of whether it is the full show or not, it has interesting choices and I am sure people will be interested to watch it.

All I want is everything is a great rocker, I'd put that up alongside of Good guys, Hey God and Damned as some of their best rock numbers. I miss the 90's.


Andi
I don't know if the full setlist is known, I don't have access to my files right now. And yeah, it's a good document of the '96 era, not many videos are circulating of that tour in decent quality. :)

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

Captmorgs 01-06-2013 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by jon-flp (Post 1099100)
Very nice...

And I found this, from the same gig:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWUE5fjX4DI

The best version of this song so far. You can feel so much soul and passion from Jon...simply amazing! :grin:
The live performance of Love's The Only Rule is everything that is right about the band. A new song that Jon cared about and put in passionate performances. And he took a chance, getting the crowds to sing along (whoa, oh, oh, oh) when only the true fans were familiar with the song. Although he completely muffs the lyrics out on the circle from that version in L.A. I like the one from St. Paul:


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