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bonjovi90 03-22-2015 02:19 AM


Almost 8 years have passed since this magic moment happened - time surely flies. For me this was the essential moment of the last decade and I don't know how many times I went back to watch this performance since 2007.

Kathleen 03-22-2015 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1186260)
Watched some parts of the band's TLFR concert yesterday and discovered that, while I still don't like the majority of the songs, there are some gold ones on there as well.
Everyday is much better in that version - it actually has a melody:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55I7wSvpYO4

Sylvia's Mother - great cover, but also great song on its own:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbIsBvBX9M0

Also the performance of Bad Name (which I quite like in that bluesy version) pisses all over what they did at the unplugged show. Besides that it still isn't my cup of tea though, but these are immensely enjoyable.

This just brings back memories. The main thing I hated about this concert - and I was there at The Borgata - was the fact the both "new songs" had been dropped. But once Jon had done his rant - I got it. In the long run I am glad he re-did Last Man Standing - but Thief of Hearts never went anywhere.

Sylvia's Mother was an old song that I remembered from my long ago days and I had always loved it. I was delighted to hear it again - and done very well too.

liljovi93 03-23-2015 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1186276)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpXaMiQdUt8

Almost 8 years have passed since this magic moment happened - time surely flies. For me this was the essential moment of the last decade and I don't know how many times I went back to watch this performance since 2007.

My brother was at this show and this was the last show he seen as he really didn't enjoy it. This song was the highlight for him, though.

I remember being gutted that I couldn't go to this show and I really wanted to hear 'Any Other Day' as it was my favorite song from the album and he phoned me when it was on. I sat on the stairs and was blown away by the solo and can still remember hearing Jon say 'Look who just got back!'

Amazing performance. Love how Jon (and the rest) can't take their eyes off Richie and then look at each other. Jon looks genuinely blown away.

bonjovi90 03-24-2015 02:20 PM

Jon rehearsing Rockin' All Over The World in the dressing room (Jakarta 1995):

kleman 03-29-2015 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1186180)
It's really a crime against humanity that most music fans (incl. most non-diehard Bon Jovi fans) will never know how amazing this band was in that period. Sure, we had some great live moments in 2000s and they were still very good for most of that time, but it's a shame that the public perception of Bon Jovi is not one that takes into account the KTF tour, whereas for example U2 get the full credit for being incredible during The Joshua Tree tour.

One of the best concerts by any artist or band. It makes the 1995-1996 Bon Jovi look like shit in comparison.

It's old but anyway. Bob Rock sad it all about that period...they were the best live band!
http://podcastone.com/pg/jsp/program...658&pid=472222

bonjovi90 04-01-2015 12:18 AM

Bounce w/Orchestra - These Days:

The band FINALLY released some Pro Shot footage of that gig. Great memories :)

Lucas_Roli 04-04-2015 10:49 AM


What a voice this guy used to have...I know this is probably the lamest post ever but I was just watching some youtube videos while my father was listening to the radio in the kitchen and I heard them playing a song that I didn't recognize at first, because of the loud volume from the yt video. So I got out of my room to go and listen to the song because I've heard a very strong voice and I thought ''I gotta find out who this guys is'' and as soon as I left the room it hit me. It was Bed of Roses :D.

Anyway I haven't listened to anything pre Crush for 2 weeks or something like that, so I guess that this has alot to do with my amezement regarding Jon's voice.

Fredrik 04-04-2015 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186524)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvR60Wg9R7Q

What a voice this guy used to have...I know this is probably the lamest post ever but I was just watching some youtube videos while my father was listening to the radio in the kitchen and I heard them playing a song that I didn't recognize at first, because of the loud volume from the yt video. So I got out of my room to go and listen to the song because I've heard a very strong voice and I thought ''I gotta find out who this guys is'' and as soon as I left the room it hit me. It was Bed of Roses :D.

Anyway I haven't listened to anything pre Crush for 2 weeks or something like that, so I guess that this has alot to do with my amezement regarding Jon's voice.

I don't think this post is one bit lame. Whenever I watch/hear something like this I immediately remember why I became such a devoted fan all those years ago. They really were such an amazing band once.

prayer_84 04-07-2015 04:24 PM

Sitting here on my desk watching a bootleg recording of the Dortmund 1993 show:

wandering if we will ever see the band perform this way again.....

prayer_84 04-07-2015 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186240)
IMO the best shows from the KTF tour and from their entire career, came from April-May 1993. The whole European leg from 1993 was freaking amazing...I mean their energy was just through the roof. I have no ideea how they managed to play like that during those 2 months, it was like they were playing as if their lifes were at steak every freaking night.

This is exactly what I am watching right now. I wish the band could play like that on the next tour.

bonjovi90 04-07-2015 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by prayer_84 (Post 1186643)
Sitting here on my desk watching a bootleg recording of the Dortmund 1993 show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdR6QkM-XSE

wandering if we will ever see the band perform this way again.....

We won't, as much as I'd love to see it as well. They actually haven't performend like THAT since the first leg of the European tour in '93 ended...
There were outstanding shows in the following years, but they were never able to reproduce that insane amount of energy...

Captmorgs 04-08-2015 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1186645)
We won't, as much as I'd love to see it as well. They actually haven't performend like THAT since the first leg of the European tour in '93 ended...
There were outstanding shows in the following years, but they were never able to reproduce that insane amount of energy...

I like the shows from the summer of 1995 equally as much, since they had a bigger catalog of songs with These Days, Always, etc. But you can't beat the I Believe/Wild In The Streets opening from '93.

Lucas_Roli 04-08-2015 10:16 PM


Just found this interview. Check it out, it's pretty great.

Rdkopper 04-08-2015 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186672)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kuv23gYxSE

Just found this interview. Check it out, it's pretty great.

Everything this user posts is great, including the Howard Stern Interview that was posted today.

Jon's acting a little weird here


Javier 04-09-2015 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1186673)
Everything this user posts is great, including the Howard Stern Interview that was posted today.

Jon's acting a little weird here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXo7Ytt-7Og

Looks very bored and like he didn't want to be there, but it's natural to be a guy in your late 40's and have already outgrown Howards shtick...

Lucas_Roli 04-09-2015 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Javier (Post 1186677)
Looks very bored and like he didn't want to be there, but it's natural to be a guy in your late 40's and have already outgrown Howards shtick...

Yea...but that part at around 26:00 when that gay dude said that he would give BJ a BJ was pretty funny :))).

GabrielC 04-10-2015 09:32 AM


Its Hugh on the Bass with Richie in 97'?

Old Joysey 04-10-2015 03:45 PM

Yes and Kenny Aronoff on drums (regular '97 line-up) and Little Steven guesting on guitar & back up vox. Those were the days...

Here's a better quality video:
https://youtu.be/LBcinngVJ98

Javier 04-10-2015 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey (Post 1186716)
Yes and Kenny Aronoff on drums (regular '97 line-up) and Little Steven guesting on guitar & back up vox. Those were the days...

Here's a better quality video:
https://youtu.be/LBcinngVJ98

And There's Everett Bradley there too!! :D It's like they traded musicians for solo endeavors back then!! Top quality music men, all of them!!!

GabrielC 04-11-2015 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Joysey (Post 1186716)
Yes and Kenny Aronoff on drums (regular '97 line-up) and Little Steven guesting on guitar & back up vox. Those were the days...

Here's a better quality video:
https://youtu.be/LBcinngVJ98

Thank you!

Old Joysey 04-11-2015 11:04 PM

You're welcome! :)

Lucas_Roli 04-12-2015 03:48 PM


If you haven't already, chek out this interview! Richie said that they wrote around 34 songs for New Jersey but unfortunately we know only know 24 of them.

Rdkopper 04-12-2015 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186767)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_xJY5zUkw0

If you haven't already, chek out this interview! Richie said that they wrote around 34 songs for New Jersey but unfortunately we know only know 24 of them.

What are the 24? I think we know more than that? I have 30 songs in my NJ folder but that also includes House of Fire and The Boys Are Back In Town.

We know time periods but it's difficult to say if a song was written for a specific album. For example, a song like "Peace In Our Time" could have been a demo from NJ and given to Gorky Park. I don't know if the song was specifically written for them. Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (Ballad Of Alice Cooper) was probably written after the fact but I still keep that under the NJ album.

Don't forget songs like... Fighter For Love, We All Sleep Alone, Rosie, In America, Etc... Cadillac Man was written for a movie but maybe that's in Richie's count. There is a also a song in AAA that Jon doesn't remember but he mumbles some lyrics and then finishes with "They don't know your name"

Finally, Jon gave some songs away that he never sang (that we know of) - So Close And So Far Away - Hall and Oats... There might be a few more too. I'd have to go back and look

Lucas_Roli 04-12-2015 05:23 PM

I totally forgot about Fighter for Love and Peace in Our Time. I had no ideea that We All Sleep Alone was co-written by Jon and Richie.
Also i have to watch AAA again cause the only rare songs I remember hearing there were Fighter For Love and Keep Me Hanging On. And I also wasn't Cadillac Man written in 89? after this interview was taken.

The 24 songs that came into my mind are: Lay Your Hands on Me, Bad Medicine, BTBMB, Livin in Sin, Blood on Blood, Homebound Train, Wild is The Wind, IBTFY, Ride Cowboy Ride, Stick To Your Guns, 99 in the Shade, Love for Sale, Love is War, Backdoor to Heaven, Now and Forever, Judgement Day, Growing upt the hard way, Full Moon High, Diamond Ring, Let's Make it Baby, Love Hurts, Does Anybody Really Fall In Love Anymore, In America and Rosie.

Rdkopper 04-12-2015 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186771)
I totally forgot about Fighter for Love and Peace in Our Time. I had no ideea that We All Sleep Alone was co-written by Jon and Richie.
Also i have to watch AAA again cause the only rare songs I remember hearing there were Fighter For Love and Keep Me Hanging On. And I also wasn't Cadillac Man written in 89? after this interview was taken.

The 24 songs that came into my mind are: Lay Your Hands on Me, Bad Medicine, BTBMB, Livin in Sin, Blood on Blood, Homebound Train, Wild is The Wind, IBTFY, Ride Cowboy Ride, Stick To Your Guns, 99 in the Shade, Love for Sale, Love is War, Backdoor to Heaven, Now and Forever, Judgement Day, Growing upt the hard way, Full Moon High, Diamond Ring, Let's Make it Baby, Love Hurts, Does Anybody Really Fall In Love Anymore, In America and Rosie.

Don't forget 'Drive' a DA B-Side.... I'd say there are about 40 song titles between NJ and Blaze that could be named. Some are unclear as to when, who and what they were written for.

Lucas_Roli 04-12-2015 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1186776)
Don't forget 'Drive' a DA B-Side.... I'd say there are about 40 song titles between NJ and Blaze that could be named. Some are unclear as to when, who and what they were written for.

Wasn't Drive written for KTF? The lyrics say ''When 17 has turned 30 it's all gone kiss it goodbye'' and the whole songs atmosphere seems like it's from 91-92.

Rdkopper 04-12-2015 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186779)
Wasn't Drive written for KTF? The lyrics say ''When 17 has turned 30 it's all gone kiss it goodbye'' and the whole songs atmosphere seems like it's from 91-92.

Nope New Jersey

bonjovi90 04-13-2015 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186779)
Wasn't Drive written for KTF? The lyrics say ''When 17 has turned 30 it's all gone kiss it goodbye'' and the whole songs atmosphere seems like it's from 91-92.

Lyrically I agree with you, it fits Jon's dark mood that he seemed to have around 1991. Musically I always remain convinced that the song stems from his second solo era around '97, it just doesn't sound to me like it was made earlier.

I remember there being a discussion as to whether Outlaws of Love was from NJ or KTF era, too. That being said, Richie also might've referred to some songs that never left the notebook or didn't even make it to the pre-production process (there was one during the Bounce era where Jon confirmed something similar by stating that "it was too sad to even leave the notebook", but I can't remember the name).

Lampinen 04-13-2015 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1186780)
Nope New Jersey

Nope Keep the Faith.

Javier 04-13-2015 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1186781)
(there was one during the Bounce era where Jon confirmed just like said by stating that "it was too sad to even leave the notebook", but I can't remember the name).

Crying I think it was called....

Rdkopper 04-13-2015 02:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Lampinen (Post 1186783)
Nope Keep the Faith.

Here is an interview where Jon says that he has songs in the vault and mentions "Drive" and says that you get to hear it 9 years later. '88 to '97 = 9 Years. '92 to '97 would only be 5. (BTY, this interview notes 2001 but it's actually 1997 because Jon says later on that 7800 was 12 years ago so 1985 + 12 = 1997)

Start it at 14:15

Lucas_Roli 04-13-2015 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1186786)
Here is an interview where Jon says that he has songs in the vault and mentions "Drive" and says that you get to hear it 9 years later. '88 to '97 = 9 Years. '92 to '97 would only be 5. (BTY, this interview notes 2001 but it's actually 1997 because Jon says later on that 7800 was 12 years ago so 1985 + 12 = 1997)

Start it at 14:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHKZYV_rtos

Can someone explain this interview? Just listen at 20:00 it's the interview from 1988 that I've posted earlier where Jon talks about some tracks like Diamond Ring and Let's Make it Baby.

I think this interview is actually 2 interviews together,from 13:00-13:30 and 14:15 it's another Jon from 1997 probably.

Lampinen 04-13-2015 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1186786)
Here is an interview where Jon says that he has songs in the vault and mentions "Drive" and says that you get to hear it 9 years later. '88 to '97 = 9 Years. '92 to '97 would only be 5. (BTY, this interview notes 2001 but it's actually 1997 because Jon says later on that 7800 was 12 years ago so 1985 + 12 = 1997)

Start it at 14:15
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHKZYV_rtos

I didn't listen to it in its entirety, but that interview was obviously composed of several interviews, hence the mixed up dates. Either that clip where he says Drive is 9 years old is from 2000/2001 OR he mixes dates himself, which is not uncommon. Didn't he say on the Borgata show in 2004 that the KTF record is "already 10 years old"?

Here's why Drive is either from '92 or '97:
- The sound (instruments, Jons voice) and the funky style is nothing like they did in '88.
- He sings "when 17 has turned 30, it's all gone..." he was 26 in 1988.
- That part of the lyric delves into his disillusionment of the music bisness which didn't really occur until after the burn out. Grey summer and all that.
- On the sleeve note of the '97 single, where Drive was released, it says the track was produced by Bob Rock. Bob was the engineer on New Jersey, but Bruce Fairbairn produced. Rock on the other hand produced KTF.

The one thing that's always kept me confused is that the drums don't sound like Tico to me. This is pretty far out, but it could be that the drums were rerecorded in '97, while rest of the track was left untouched.

Rdkopper 04-13-2015 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Lucas_Roli (Post 1186792)
Can someone explain this interview? Just listen at 20:00 it's the interview from 1988 that I've posted earlier where Jon talks about some tracks like Diamond Ring and Let's Make it Baby.

I think this interview is actually 2 interviews together,from 13:00-13:30 and 14:15 it's another Jon from 1997 probably.

I agree. I think it's two too. I need to listen to the entire thing again but I think it's either in another part of that interview or just in another source all together but Jon makes a specific reference to "Drive" being from NJ...

rolo_tomachi 04-13-2015 02:26 PM

Drive 1992, but could be re-worked in 1997.

http://oi60.tinypic.com/16ht55y.jpg

bonjovi90 04-13-2015 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1186796)
I agree. I think it's two too. I need to listen to the entire thing again but I think it's either in another part of that interview or just in another source all together but Jon makes a specific reference to "Drive" being from NJ...

That could be but at the Borgata show in 2004 Jon also asked Richie whether The Radio Saved My Life Tonight was written for NJ or KTF. He always confuses these kind of things :)

Rdkopper 04-13-2015 04:20 PM

This is all great research / great points and I do agree with most of them but I have to go with Jon's word. Similar to a Diamond Ring, Drive might have started with NJ and just kept on being reworked... Diamond Ring is also listed on the Keep The Faith track-listing above too.

Here it is in the interview where Jon states that "Drive" was written for NJ.
13:28 (and then he states that's it's 9 years later from 1997)... There is just too much going on there to make me think that it's just a mistake.

Again, it could have been reworded a few times for Faith and DA but Jon is specific to NJ whereas Outlaws doesn't state a specific album, Jon just says that it's a song he forgot about because it goes so far back.

At this point I'm going to chalk it up that Drive is as a Diamond Ring type scenario. The Chorus and Hooks sound a little 80s'-ish - but the versers and Jon's voice have a combination of 92 / 97....

Captain_jovi 04-13-2015 04:59 PM

It really depends on when the interview was recorded in relation to when Drive was. Didn't Jon immediately say Why aren't you dead was from Crush? The subject matter is just so Grey summer and deals with the burnout of the industry. No way would he blame the record industry for taking his innocence in 1988.

Rdkopper 04-13-2015 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1186800)
It really depends on when the interview was recorded in relation to when Drive was. Didn't Jon immediately say Why aren't you dead was from Crush? The subject matter is just so Grey summer and deals with the burnout of the industry. No way would he blame the record industry for taking his innocence in 1988.

At 13:28 when Jon states that Drive was written for NJ, it's 1997! When you listen to the entire thing, you could tell the differences between interviews and he's referring to the songs on DA at the Present time.

I totally agree that most of the song points to the Grey Summer. This song could even be about his motorcycle ride across the country with Dorothea... Until I conclude more clarification, I could only assume that this was a reworked title that started around NJ.

Captain_jovi 04-13-2015 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1186801)
At 13:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHKZYV_rtos when Jon states that Drive was written for NJ, it's 1997! When you listen to the entire thing, you could tell the differences between interviews and he's referring to the songs on DA at the Present time.

I totally agree that most of the song points to the Grey Summer. This song could even be about his motorcycle ride across the country with Dorothea... Until I conclude more clarification, I could only assume that this was a reworked title that started around NJ.

Sadly it's a clarification we'll never get as it's such an obscure moment in time that no interviewer will ever ask him. I wonder if it was written for NJ and recorded in '91, hence Bob Rock producing. But he could also just as easily gotten the years mixed up, my example still stands of him confusing what albums songs were recorded for due the amount of things demoed throughout the years. Given his mixing up years, I'd stand by the album credits, subject matter, sound and feel over off-hand recollection.

Though I don't think it's something we'll be able to convince each other of without proper proof.


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