Another thing I wanted to touch on is the "Producer". Did Bob Rock really produce it? It's a Demo, it's unfinished... Did Bruce Fairbairn produce any of the NJ demos? or was it really Obie, the engineer? Bob was around both periods so it's difficult to say who produced an unfinished demo. It might be just a credited note as to who hit the record button. I really don't know the technical aspects of any of that stuff though.

The engineer would be the person who hits the buttons, typically.

If there was no producer for the recording, it would just say Engineered by...and either credited to the band as producer or not at all I guess. As to who produced the NJ Demos I don't have the booklet of the re-release in front of me, can anyone check?

I don't think it's difficult at all to say who produced this one, everything just links up to KTF regardless of Jon getting the year of origin wrong.

He seemed uncomfortable at some questions being asked. I liked that interview, though. I wish more interviews had questions like that.

I happen to have it in front of me, that's what it says:
"All tracks Disc 2 are previously unreleased.
Produced by Bruce Fairbairn.
Mixed 2014 by Obie O'Brien at Sanctuary Studios, Red Bank, NJ.
Engineers: Mike Rew, Matt Teacher
Except: "Diamond Ring" mixed 1988 by Bob Rock at Little Mountain Sound Studio Ltd."

Diamond Ring sound awesome, now I know why.

Thanks!

I mean to me that says it all, if Bruce did all those demos I have zero reason to think the Drive as a b-side from 1997 is from 1988.

Very cool picture man. Just saw Let's Make it Baby and Diamond Ring on the list and now I remember Jon saying in an interview, probably in 94, that Diamond Ring finally made it on the album now that they re-wrote the bridge and that they also re-wrote it for KTF but it didn't make it for some reason I can't remember at the moment.

I also see some tracks that I've never heard of like All Wound Up and Skin Deep. Can someone please tell me if these tracks made it on the record with another title or something?

It's so frustrating hearing Jon mentioning songs that never surfaced anywhere and most likely never will. I'm sure that they wouldn't be commercial hits but i'm sure that they would be pretty great songs for us die hards.

Exactly! Obie said that nothing is left in the vault but I could make a list of song titles just as long as the Box Set we got in '04. There is just no money in those releases. Our best chance of getting these songs is when Jon goes 6ft under.

Wow, if Obie said there's no songs in the vault he's either lying or there was a pipe burst. There's so much more that was recorded that has to be sitting somewhere.

Yeah, even What About Now record there were at least 3 or 4 songs they recorded but did not enter the album and never came to light (Shine, Times Like These, State Of Our Union, Burn with me). I expected an unreleased box set in 2014, with these songs and others oldest. In the end, nothing is released, and continue to accumulate new songs for a lot of years more. I guess in 2024 we could hear. It's no fun waiting over a decade to hear some rarities, damn.

Actually there was some kind of pipe burst. I remember a radio interview with Obie in 2010 about the re-issues of the albums with him bragging about how many old recordings were damaged by some pipe burst and about how there was some new technology he used to fix and restore them. He said that the live version of Only Lonely stemmed from a soundcheck that was basically destroyed before.

I have no idea whether this incident included old demo recordings but, as all these New Jersey recordings seemed to be intact, I can't imagine so. If that had been the case, Obie would've bragged about restoring these "almost lost" treasures as well.

Ah jeez, my lighthearted joke might have been the case. That's rough.

Not really, if Bob did Diamond Ring in 1988

That's an interesting story... And gives me some hope that we'll get to enjoy the Golden Voice Years one day again... The question is when. The more they wait to release these thing, the more value they will continue to lose.

In addition to the Youtube thread, Jovi Talk needs to upgrade to a shared file where fans could post and share their music and treasures. Like a Google Shared Drive...

But he didn't, it says he MIXED it, not produced it.

Didn't Obie (or someone) say that for example the "finished" version of Does Anybody Really was lost/damaged and we therefor got the other version instead? Maybe more was lost over the years/in that incident :-(

He said that those high parts from the bootleg version didn't stem from the original tapes from the demo sessions for New Jersey and assumed that the band had added them at a later point. Regarding this "later point" - that's where he stated that he has no clue as to when that happened or where the tapes from these specific sessions are.

That version is a spitting image of the Cher version so if I had to guess, that version might be something done outside the realm of the normal demo / recording process. Maybe, they did a version or something additional just for her, knowing that she was recording a final version for her album.

There are professionals hired to sing an exact version of a written song for artists who are not song writers. I've heard demos given to Elvis that sound identical to the final version that Elvis sang. The artists will even go as far as imitating the artists voice.

They must have done the "I knows" at some point in a previous version as Jon does them, albeit lower, at the end so it isn't like they weren't part of the song to begin with, he just didn't go for them on that version. It's nice to have that version though as something different, although having both would have been even better.

Jon Bon Jovi at the B.E.A.T. Center, Toms River NJ 4-14-15

That hair is getting shorter and shorter..... Isn't he supposed to be busy making an album? He makes a funny mistake during his speech! Instead of him saying... "introducing a new member to the TEAM" he says "introducing a new member to the BAND"

He just had a haircut this weekend. There were pictures in a Facebook group this weekend. He was some regular shop anyone could walk into.

Link?????????

Sorry, but I'm not scrolling through my Facebook history to find it. It would be like finding a needle in a haystack.

Sorry, didn't mean to put you out! Thanks for being a team player

You may have 4-6 free hours to scroll through Facebook looking for a random post from an unidentified day, but I don't. If I knew what day it was from or what group, I'd be happy to look for it. But I don't know it it was from a group I'm a member of or if it was shared by a friend who is also a Bon Jovi fan. If that doesn't make me a "team player," sorry. I post things that I think will be of interest.

I think Bon Jovi going to a local barber shop to get a haircut is pretty interesting especially because it most likely has something to do with his new reality show. If you weren't a rock star (or whatever it's called)... Way to drop the ball on that one Becky.

I tend not to post stuff about Jon's hair. It's the MEN on this forum who are obsessed with that. YOU have Google and YOU have Facebook.... use your search engine. I'm sorry you didn't get your fix of Jon's HAIR. :rolleyes:

Nah Becky, you got it all wrong... Its not about the hair...the fact that a huge celebrity went into a local barber shop to get a hair cut is pretty cool.... That's like Madonna going to a local salon to get her eyebrows waxed.... you missed the connection to Jon's new reality show...

bty, your comment about men caring more in absolutely false... the vast majority of the posters here are men so it just seems like that. Go on any of the common BJ Facebook pages and read the comments about Jon's hair from all the women. Crazy

Cheers for the link.

Can't stand this 'power of we' phase. I hate how often he says it and I hate how many times he has to emphasize 'we' when talking about things.

Agree. I'm all for the charity work but the political side of Jon is getting old. The only reason why he's not running for office right now is because of his rock star past. He's got some old sketchy pictures out there that would just destroy him.... So this is his alternative.

On the flip side, good for him. At least he's doing something positive and sincere with his celebrity.

Yeah, not knocking what he's doing. I think it's great that he does things like this. It's only the 'power of we' thing that frustrates me.

Great concert from '93, with a fantastic performance of Blood Money:

it's on TV too:
https://youtu.be/qv60oRrxYUQ

https://youtu.be/vBBETMy_BSE

His charity work is great but I prefered him when he had faith in the "power of they", i.e. Bon Jovi the rock band.
I can't stand his "power of we" phrase either! Each time he pronounces it he looks like a 10 year-old very proud of himself because he thinks he found a magic formula! And now he comes up with B.E.A.T. :rolleyes: the double meaning of the word makes it an unlucky choice of name for a charity organization... it makes me think of this song :lol:
https://youtu.be/-TrH7KKcAzA

I'm sure he's paving his way towards a political career with this constant emphasis on charity work and humanitarian stuff, he sure has a load of skeletons in the cupboard but America loves redemption so I wouldn't be surprised to see him running for a mandate within the next decade... Remember that he already wet his lips when he was appointed to a White House council by Obama some years ago.

These shows have the best performances of Blood Money, IMO of course.

Here you go https://instagram.com/p/1WFz0CC9XG/

That's a great pic! Thanks so much!

It will NEVER happen. Whoever he runs against will make a complete fool out of him... The worst being some of the pics of Jon pretending to do drugs..... This is perfect example of social media coming back to haunt you 30 years later.

They all are better, simply because Jon's vocal capabilities declined a lot in the 2nd half of 1993.

Drug pics???