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BJFan99 01-17-2018 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1232901)
Great Always performance from Chicago 2010. Jon even throws in an extra “Yes I would” (2:48). Is this the last time he moved away from the mic stand and walked around during Always? 4:45-5:15 prior to the last solo is just awesome. Jon was feeling it that night!
https://youtu.be/eRTHMWMOj5g


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It must have been the last time he was confident enough to move at all during the song... Philly 2013 was another one, but there he was clinging onto the mic stand all the time while walking:

https://youtu.be/SJff5NvkdpM

PS. I've never seen Jon look as pained during any song as he does here. He literally looks like he's going to drop dead anytime. The way he bends his whole body to even touch the high notes on the choruses - yikes, double yikes, triple yikes - looks really unhealthy. There must be something terribly wrong with his singing technique.

EDIT: Another painful (literally) Always rendition was done in Los Angeles '17:

https://youtu.be/-ixPjmh4PdE

Poor guy... I honestly wonder if his head is going to explode someday while he's singing Always.

ANOTHER EDIT: Here's a better quality version of the performance you originally posted:

https://youtu.be/iSj6V5u0p3M

The way Jon belts out the "words don't RHYME" before Richie's outro solo legitimately sounds like the 90's all over again. I really still can't believe how he was first able to get back on such a high level in terms of his vocal quality and then basically lose it all within the following three years... the thing is, did his technique honestly take a noticeable (visible) turn to worse at some point? I can't really call myself a singing expert even though I've been singing privately/semi-privately for more than 15 years and have taken vocal lessons since late 2016, so an(y) explanation would be nice. Walleris or Gregsynthbootlegs, you know what to do! :D

Gadden 01-17-2018 07:10 PM

I Like It!
 

BJFan99 01-17-2018 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Gadden (Post 1232962)

There seems to be something TWTWMM-like about the melody. I like it. Can't wait to hear the full song! :D

Gadden 01-17-2018 11:09 PM

When We Were Us
 

Thanks for the PM - you know who you are!

Gadden 01-17-2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1232999)
There seems to be something TWTWMM-like about the melody. I like it. Can't wait to hear the full song! :D

All for you bro! ;) ^^

Thierry 01-17-2018 11:30 PM

Just as bad as the stuff that Richie releases.

Gadden 01-17-2018 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Thierry (Post 1233069)
Just as bad as the stuff that Richie releases.

Naaah come on bro ;) <3

DavetheGodofKeys 01-18-2018 01:30 AM


This is a masterpiece.

Walkerboy 01-18-2018 12:05 PM

Bad Name from The Late Show with Stephen Colbert last night


Jeeper 01-18-2018 03:03 PM

Decent performance. Phil doing the little pick slide after the second verse that Richie used to do live.

Obviously a personal preference, but Bad Name sounds better with the whammy bar, especially the dive bomb during the solo.


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rolo_tomachi 01-18-2018 10:39 PM

Pretty cool video


Rdkopper 01-18-2018 10:47 PM

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Originally Posted by rolo_tomachi (Post 1233183)

Cool... but they need to edit out Howard... I did it on mine... it's not hard to do... just loop the intro over and over... and then there is one part on the end they have to cut out... it's just one of those looping outros

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rolo_tomachi 01-18-2018 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1233184)
Cool... but they need to edit out Howard... I did it on mine... it's not hard to do... just loop the intro over and over... and then there is one part on the end they have to cut out... it's just one of those looping outros

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Yep. A video with a lot of nostalgia, it would be interesting to make a video reviewing the three decades, and have the studio track in better quality.

DavetheGodofKeys 01-19-2018 10:53 PM


Nice video with David doing parts of Runaway, Bad Name and Prayer with a band called Rubix Kube. I'm surprised David is still capable of reaching the high notes of the key change because it sounds to me like they are doing it in the original key.

bonjovi90 01-21-2018 01:53 AM


Since I'm currently listening a lot to the LH record, here's a rare Pro Shot recording (taken from the screen) from the Newark run in 2007. Even though it's definitely not among my favourites (even on LH), this performance somehow keeps putting me in a good mood. The band were clearly enjoying themselves.

Walleris 01-21-2018 01:58 AM

So now everyone is a LH fan now, huh? Shameful bandwagoners y'all...

bonjovi90 01-21-2018 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1233329)
So now everyone is a LH fan now, huh? Shameful bandwagoners y'all...

I've liked the genuine songwriting on it since probably 2008. Was just tired at some point of the combo LH/WLOL and We Got It Going On practically appearing in every setlist for about 3 tours.
So what d'ya want, kiddo? :D

Walleris 01-21-2018 03:02 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1233330)
I've liked the genuine songwriting on it since probably 2008. Was just tired at some point of the combo LH/WLOL and We Got It Going On practically appearing in every setlist for about 3 tours.
So what d'ya want, kiddo? :D

I just wish there was a LH stock when I first joined the board and was a fan of it while everyone hated it. I could've bought it and now be few bucks richer :D

BJFan99 01-21-2018 07:56 PM

F***, this band was good back in the day:

https://youtu.be/DsrT3crxfk8

I'm almost crying.

Philadelphia has always gotten good shows (at least) from the guys - even last year:

https://youtu.be/hy9Fhj5_oa0 (THINFS)

https://youtu.be/rhrBJLtOMAs (Bad Name)

https://youtu.be/5-CMehsRito (Roller Coaster)

https://youtu.be/aiBVO_qebc4 (Sleep/Runaway)

https://youtu.be/CdqDJgzytDc (GBTM)

https://youtu.be/qri1webuWYE (NYD - nice intro speech by Jon, btw)

https://youtu.be/VLdgRypBNEw (LYHOM)

https://youtu.be/CsYb8GOgqxE (HAND - far from the worst post-June '13 performances of the song)

https://youtu.be/W4XoC7aXzLY (Medicine - one of my absolute favorite THINFS tour moments so far)

https://youtu.be/X6kmxnCtDpw (KTF - holy shit, Jon even nails the "YEAH yeah yeah"!)

https://youtu.be/Oo8ailid2Vk (RYH)

https://youtu.be/V7lgG1fJwJ0 (Wanted w/The Fighter as an intro)

https://youtu.be/5XW9jWydPKI (Prayer)

Philly must've been the best US show last year, alongside St. Paul:

https://youtu.be/Lwo32m40a9w

Rdkopper 01-21-2018 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1233349)
F***, this band was good back in the day:

https://youtu.be/DsrT3crxfk8

I'm almost crying.

Yeah, we all go there from time to time :cry:

I don't even need to open the link to know it's Philly '89

There are 2 Bon Jovi's... '83 - '96 and '00 - '18 ('97 DA is the transition)

BJFan99 01-21-2018 08:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1233350)
Yeah, we all go there from time to time :cry:

I don't even need to open the link to know it's Philly '89

There are 2 Bon Jovi's... '83 - '96 and '00 - '18 ('97 DA is the transition)

For me, there are 3 Bon Jovi's:

1. '83-'96
2. '00-'13
3. '13-

Rdkopper 01-21-2018 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1233351)
For me, there are 3 Bon Jovi's:

1. '83-'96
2. '00-'13
3. '13-

I have a few sub categories myself.. You could break it down by The Shanks Era, Vocals, Alec, Richie, hair, etc...

Mine is not so much split by vocal eras but performance... As great as some performances were in '00, I felt shows were less natural and more rehearsed... This is where I started noticing changes with songs like Bad Name, Etc... That's why I have a simple 2 Jovi category...

Walleris 01-22-2018 12:54 AM



For me one of the bright spots on the infamous 2007 VH1 unplugged show. Why am I posting this now? Two things:

1) 10 years ago I didn't think much of this performance when I first saw it. I thought the song really suffered from being dropped half a step. But I wasn't such a harmony geek like I am now. LeAnn's harmonies are great (Richie pre-2005 level great) and they're much more audible here than the studio version, even if it's in a lower key.

2) They could still play it! In this key the song can be sang by any average baritone (which is who Jon is now) and there are 0 really high notes. Some of the stuff he hit on the last tour (e.g. "lay my hands on YOUUU", "hey man I'M ALIVE") is much higher than any note in this song. If he can't do the classic ballads on regular basis, I wish he tried to make up for it by doing the easier ballads, e.g. Strangers, TYFLM, Memory, Diamond Ring, etc. But for most of the shows they did pretty much nothing, even Scars disappeared from the set.

BJFan99 01-22-2018 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1233359)
Bon Jovi till we ain't strangers anymore - YouTube


For me one of the bright spots on the infamous 2007 VH1 unplugged show. Why am I posting this now? Two things:

1) 10 years ago I didn't think much of this performance when I first saw it. I thought the song really suffered from being dropped half a step. But I wasn't such a harmony geek like I am now. LeAnn's harmonies are great (Richie pre-2005 level great) and they're much more audible here than the studio version, even if it's in a lower key.

2) They could still play it! In this key the song can be sang by any average baritone (which is who Jon is now) and there are 0 really high notes. Some of the stuff he hit on the last tour (e.g. "lay my hands on YOUUU", "hey man I'M ALIVE") is much higher than any note in this song. If he can't do the classic ballads on regular basis, I wish he tried to make up for it by doing the easier ballads, e.g. Strangers, TYFLM, Memory, Diamond Ring, etc. But for most of the shows they did pretty much nothing, even Scars disappeared from the set.

I agree. Also, I'd be very happy if they played Seat Next To You again, and I didn't really like it until last year.

EDIT: However, I think Strangers would lose a lot of its magic without a female singer doing it as a duet with Jon. Lorenza isn't there anymore, and LeAnn won't be able to attend multiple shows (maybe MSG with a lot of luck, unless she had her own gigs reserved for those days). Would it really sound as good as it did back in the day with just JBJ singing?

EDIT 2: Btw, Walleris; do you think Jon would still be able to sing Open All Night (the Bounce track) nowadays? There's one high-ish note near the end of the song (the last "I don't want to MAKE the same mistakes..."), and as it's the only somewhat demanding note on the song, I think Jon could still hit it - at least sometimes. Whenever he thought his voice wouldn't handle it, he could dodge it by singing it the same way as it's sung on the first two choruses.

Good times:

https://youtu.be/R4zlgAyGOoc (OAN/live at Mohegan Sun - holy shit, in just a little while it's been ten years already since this performance! Yeah, I do miss those times...)

Panda 01-22-2018 09:02 AM

It is such a relief seeing Lost Highway taken at such high regards. The production and mix is so great, so refreshing and way different than the albums before and after it. It is also easily my favorite post 2000 album and I think is number 3 after these days and keep the faith.

That said, I've seen til we ain't strangers anymore live, and I remember it being a highlight of the whole show- and that same show had stranger in this town, mystery train and never say goodbye.

jovifan93 01-22-2018 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1233373)
It is such a relief seeing Lost Highway taken at such high regards. The production and mix is so great, so refreshing and way different than the albums before and after it. It is also easily my favorite post 2000 album and I think is number 3 after these days and keep the faith.

That said, I've seen til we ain't strangers anymore live, and I remember it being a highlight of the whole show- and that same show had stranger in this town, mystery train and never say goodbye.

LH is a great album! It has the most diverse songwriting of any post 2000, hell maybe even any BJ album (except for TD maybe). Take Strangers for example: it's verse 1, verse 2, chorus 1, solo, chorus 2, outro (IIRC). I still remember to this day how baffled I was when they hit into chorus 2 after the solo. Great song!

BJFan99 01-22-2018 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1233377)
LH is a great album! It has the most diverse songwriting of any post 2000, hell maybe even any BJ album (except for TD maybe). Take Strangers for example: it's verse 1, verse 2, chorus 1, solo, chorus 2, outro (IIRC). I still remember to this day how baffled I was when they hit into chorus 2 after the solo. Great song!

I agree! LH is my favorite post-2000 Jovi album nowadays as well. It used to be HAND, but then I listened to Wildflower again and reconsidered things...

PS. ILTT is still a crap song for me.

jovifan93 01-22-2018 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1233423)
I agree! LH is my favorite post-2000 Jovi album nowadays as well. It used to be HAND, but then I listened to Wildflower again and reconsidered things...

PS. ILTT is still a crap song for me.

No, Wildflower is crap. I actually play ILTT everytime I drive into town in my car. My family even requests it ;-)

Talking about family: my youngest loves her BJ tunes in the morning and shakes her whole body in hear children's chair. She loves THINFS for example, RC, HAND, TWWTM, and so on, but WWWU? Not so much. Telling? I don't know ;-)

Rdkopper 01-22-2018 11:50 PM

So now Lost Highway is the best album since These Days... We should go back to 2007 to read how well everyone loved it back then...

I guess that means in 2027, THINFS will finally get some love... Can't wait because I actually enjoy this one...

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DryCounty 01-23-2018 12:32 AM

I've never heard people bash the Lost Highway album. I have always viewed it as quite favorable among fans. The only complaint has been that too many and always the same LH songs has been in the set list for to long now. Lost Highway, WLOL and WGIGO seriously needs a rest (even though I get why WGIGO is there).

steel_horse75 01-23-2018 12:43 AM

Lh has a good start then after Any other day drops off a cliff yet....bonus tracks walk like a man , put the boy and Lonley were better than 75% of the tracks picked for this album.

bonjovi90 01-23-2018 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1233441)
Lh has a good start then after Any other day drops off a cliff yet....bonus tracks walk like a man , put the boy and Lonley were better than 75% of the tracks picked for this album.

Very much agreed! The songs on the 2nd half aren't too bad on their own (I personally like One Step Closer quite a lot), but there's no flow, no change of dynamics and the songs just blur into each other. Had Walk Like A Man and Put The Boy Back In Cowboy been placed in there, it could've made for a much better overall flow.

jovifan93 01-23-2018 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1233445)
Very much agreed! The songs on the 2nd half aren't too bad on their own (I personally like One Step Closer quite a lot), but there's no flow, no change of dynamics and the songs just blur into each other. Had Walk Like A Man and Put The Boy Back In Cowboy been placed in there, it could've made for a much better overall flow.

Agreed (though I don't mind the flow (or the missing thereof)), except that Put The Boy is a carbon copy of that Queen (?) song...

Walleris 01-23-2018 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by steel_horse75 (Post 1233441)
Lh has a good start then after Any other day drops off a cliff yet....bonus tracks walk like a man , put the boy and Lonley were better than 75% of the tracks picked for this album.

Have to disagree here, I much prefer the 2nd half to the first.

Everybody's Broken-Strangers-Last Night-One Step Closer is as good of a four-song sequence on a Bon Jovi album as it gets for me. Especially, The Last Night, such an underrated gem. I was incredibily lucky to hear the last (probably ever) performance of it at the O2 in 2010.

I agree however on Walk Like A Man. That should've been a lead single!

jovifan93 01-23-2018 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Walleris (Post 1233460)
Have to disagree here, I much prefer the 2nd half to the first.

Everybody's Broken-Strangers-Last Night-One Step Closer is as good of a four-song sequence on a Bon Jovi album as it gets for me. Especially, The Last Night, such an underrated gem. I was incredibily lucky to hear the last (probably ever) performance of it at the O2 in 2010.

I agree however on Walk Like A Man. That should've been a lead single!

Agreed 100%!

BJFan99 01-23-2018 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jovifan93 (Post 1233425)
No, Wildflower is crap. I actually play ILTT everytime I drive into town in my car. My family even requests it ;-)

Talking about family: my youngest loves her BJ tunes in the morning and shakes her whole body in hear children's chair. She loves THINFS for example, RC, HAND, TWWTM, and so on, but WWWU? Not so much. Telling? I don't know ;-)

Wildflower is crap for me as well, and for some reason I don't like Novocaine that much either - that's why I consider LH to be a better album than HAND. It only has one crap song (ILTT) and even that one somehow works live for me - same as WSYCGH.

Walleris 01-23-2018 07:01 PM

Wildflower is good. It has smart lyrics and the verses have a really nice melody.

BJFan99 01-23-2018 08:12 PM

Definitely one of the best post-'01 IBTFY versions I've heard:

https://youtu.be/mQ8zKF2EGLQ

The way Jon gets into the song (especially during the ad-lib part) is simply astonishing. Richie's on fire as well.

Captmorgs 01-24-2018 04:26 AM

Official Youtube.com Thread
 
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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1233501)
Definitely one of the best post-'01 IBTFY versions I've heard:



https://youtu.be/mQ8zKF2EGLQ



The way Jon gets into the song (especially during the ad-lib part) is simply astonishing. Richie's on fire as well.



Damn that is awesome. Toronto and Montreal are such kick ass Bon Jovi concert cities.


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BJFan99 01-24-2018 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Captmorgs (Post 1233546)
Damn that is awesome. Toronto and Montreal are such kick ass Bon Jovi concert cities.


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They were. This, on the other hand, was probably the best moment Toronto got to witness in the two BJ concerts last year:

https://youtu.be/5ECE6YLisXY

Jon absolutely nails the high "Lay my hands on YOOOOOUUUUU...", but his vocals on the rest of the song are very inconsistent and sometimes (very audibly) out of tune. Compared to the IBTFY performance I posted above, it's a sad thing to witness.

Or what do you think - was Always better?

https://youtu.be/LrRyzZ_paEs

The way Jon's voice cracks on the last "will love YOU" (or, as he pronounces it, "will love YAAA") reminds me of my puberty...

As for Montreal, here we have Jon going nuts on Saturday Night back in 2010:

https://youtu.be/AYw_TnRZSs4

That was such a great era. I miss it a ton.

However, Jon was even more possessed with the same song in Sydney (night #3):

https://youtu.be/hSqDW6LQZp8

Nashville '13 was great, too (even better - vocally more consistent - than Cleveland for me):

https://youtu.be/bT9mnxFlPsk


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