Whoever that is on second guitar has some sweet bluesy licks. But Richie's vocal timing when doing lead vocals while also playing guitar is still spotty. Then again, the solo part also is pretty... loose. It seems underrehearsed, but the general arrangement is cool.

Back when Jon was just discovering his knack for jungle improvisations and "is there a doctor in the house?" didn't lead into Bad Medicine...


Setlist:
01. Pink Flamingos [0:00]
02. Raise Your Hands [1:17]
03. Breakout [6:10]
~ Jungle interlude [9:24]
04. Jon greeting audience [12:51]
05. Tokyo Road [13:18]
06. Jon introducing new single [19:19]
07. You Give Love A Bad Name [19:39]
08. Wild In The Streets [23:09]
09. Silent Night [28:06]
10. Livin' On A Prayer [36:25]
11. Let It Rock [40:52]
12. Guitar Solo [51:19]
13. Drum Solo [53:24]
14. In And Out Of Love [53:59]
15. Jon teasing audience [1:01:49]
16. Runaway [1:02:12]

Encore 1:
17. Wanted Dead Or Alive [1:07:55]
18. The Boys Are Back In Town [1:14:17]

Encore 2:
19. Drift Away [1:21:32]
20. Social Disease [1:25:37]
21. Get Ready [1:29:40]

This is absolutely amazing! And the quality is beyond any recordings from this time. I honestly can't tell if it's Soundboard or Audience... Finally a decent live version of Social Disease!!!

Bad Medicine wasn't born yet?

It wasn't, I was just saying that because Jon already used the same phrase to kick into Social Disease :mrgreen:

Is this a SBD or AUD

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Audience recording.

Revisiting Sydney 2008 today:

https://youtu.be/LU99PbVOGvk (night #1)

https://youtu.be/FGaNnTvxUyE (night #2)

The band were on fire, the set lists were great for early LH tour standards, Jon's vocals were already well on the way to the mid-year "renaissance", the crowds were great, the sound quality is great... all in all, great stuff! :)

PS. I've been wondering for quite a while that even though Jon's voice had already drastically improved from the levels of late '07 by the time the band hit Australia (the poor vocals in the Tokyo show a week earlier were a result of him being sick), and would only improve further throughout the following US arena leg, why did it take until late April for Always to return into the set and until late May for them to start playing the original version of BOR again? Surely his vocals could've coped at least with the latter a bit earlier already? I mean, he even sounded OK-ish on most performances of it on the THINFS tour, which obviously was miles and miles below any of his earlier standards vocally...

Laziness and retention. Already in late 2002/early 2003, Jon had thought that his voice had settled into a comfortable stage and he went full force on his performances, including a lot of rasp and screams. With this, he shot it down the drain faster than he realized.
So, since that era seemed to be the last one where he really took (technically) proper care of his voice, it seemed that he wanted to make sure to have accomplished his new singing style properly and consistently before going for the demanding songs. With the exception of Blaze Of Glory in Vancouver, setlist were played safe until somewhere in March of 2008.
Still glad he regained his confidence though and got back to more rock'n'roll-styled shows and setlists in 2008. That Newark run in 2007 - I hated it at the time and still don't listen to it today.

Nice I'd die for you... -_-

Ditto - it really did nothing for me. If I recall one of the nights was pretty good but the rest all drowned in mediocrity.

Just the other day I was really trying to pinpoint the time where Jon's voice just shot out to the level of what we have today.

I don't mean struggling to hit notes but to the point of becoming unlistenable.

-He finished 2013 fine
-He did the Red Bank Solo show in 2014 and it was still listenable.
- 2015 was the mini Asia tour. Yes his voice was out of shape but it was still listenable. That tour ended in October.
-2016 early '16 (March) he did some acoustic shows. - again not terrible but definitely a decline. It's also acoustic so it tough to really tell.

2016 - promo shows for THINFS - unlistenable






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Love Mystery Train - very underrated track IMO.

We all know Jon has been declining ever since the last couple shows of the 2011 European tour, but to me his vocals really took a massive dive around November 2013, not only in terms of how he suddenly was unable to hit pretty much any of the more demanding notes on songs like Keep The Faith, Always or In These Arms anymore, but also in terms of how the whole sound of his voice seemed to change very rapidly. He started to get this powerless tone on his higher speaking range, e.g. lost his ability to yell properly (just listen to the way he used to shout phrases like "Are you with me out there?" or "Is there a doctor in the house?" convincingly until late-ish '13 and compare them to how they've sounded since then) as well as started developing the thin, originally almost shrill sound on his middle register and began to lose his mid-range power, control and breathing technique step by step at the same time. This was noticeable right from the start on songs like Bad Name, It's My Life, Because We Can, BTBMB, Who Says and Bad Medicine, but he still sounded quite fine whenever he really had to push mid-to-semi-high notes out from his diaphragm to control his tone (e.g. Memory, Captain Crash, Have A Nice Day, I Love This Town). He still had his recognizable vibrato and his low register was fully intact (Lost Highway, Whole Lot Of Leavin', Born To Follow). From time to time even a portion of his higher range was still somewhat functioning (IBTFY, These Days, Never Say Goodbye), albeit on a very inconsistent fashion.

In late 2015 I noticed him starting to try and get some of his range back, if only temporarily by forcing his remaining bit of high register to extreme. He certainly was sounding better on songs like KTF and IML than in late '13. That said, songs like Who Says and Bad Medicine were starting to get noticeably worse than before, probably at least partly due to him pushing his range to 120% during the more demanding songs and thus increasingly blowing out the tone of his middle register. That said, he still didn't have that airy sound on his voice nor was he dramatically out of time, either.

By late 2016-early '17 I first made notice of him changing his technique to the one he's still using today. Up until then he had still sounded like the regular post-2k JBJ pretty much all the time, it was just that the tone of his mid-range was flat/off as well as his high register was f*cked. However, around the release of THINFS I heard him start using this whispery technique on the low and middle notes while still shouting the higher ones, albeit with some regained clarity and strength (I thought so back then). An example of this was Always in Greenville, where he was hitting some of the notes better than ever since mid-'13. That said, his overall tone also sounded way different than at any point before, somewhat more fragile than previously - something obviously wasn't right.

That said, him probably getting too confident on his vocal power(lessness) costed him a fortune again, as even though his tone was arguably better in March/April '17 than it had been in at least two years, him constantly pushing his range to the highest it could go back then (e.g. the choruses of Blood On Blood, nightly long note on LYHOM, etc.) blew his voice out one more time. By the South American tour he had begun to get this "smokey" tone on his voice overall - even the Sao Paulo show suffered from his obvious tonal fragility, although he was still hitting many notes relatively well for the period, and when the North American tour started the following March, his voice was absolutely shot to pieces. In addition to his tone continuing to decrease, it was around this time he ultimately started missing notes here and there in every register, even when singing low. His voice turned monotonous, and he started cracking considerably more often than ever before, especially on the middle register. He also was singing more and more behind the beat and was increasingly out of breath, which had been an occasional issue in the previous year already, but completely exploded in the spring of '18.

In late 2018-'19 Jon lost yet another step vocally. His voice started to simply sound unhealthy; constantly hoarse, cracking, out of breath and therefor out of time as well. Once in a blue moon he managed to hold his own better than usual (e.g. Tokyo, Nijmegen, Dublin night #2 and the electric KOS show in Barcelona), but overall he was showing clear signs of an even worse, completely unrepairable decline. During the second half of the European tour and especially the last South American leg, every single bit of his remaining high(er) register was gone - he was straining and cracking miserably night after night even on Amen, skipping verses and choruses here and there on Bad Medicine and Prayer, letting other band members sing several parts of songs, letting Dave sing ITA in full, etc. His talking voice also got increasingly hoarse and started to occasionally crack even on rather basic speech patterns (e.g. during some speeches between songs in Rio).

Some of the issues explained above might be due to the possible failed vocal cord surgery Jon may have undergone at some point between the 2015 Asian run and the THINFS tour, but at the same time I could think of at least these options:

1) him having simply blown his voice out for good in every way possible

2) developing the early stages of a progressing pulmonary/respiratory disease (presumably due to smoking; e.g. pulmonary fibrosis, could explain the increasing breathing issues - extremely unlikely considering the severeness of these diseases, but we know how greedy Jon can be and what a "fighter" he is)

3) paralysis on the other of his vocal cords.

I'm actually loving both Mystery Train and She's A Mystery, but I'm definitely in the minority with that :D

It was in mid-2013 when the downwards spiral kicked in and he just couldn't stop it anymore. Until then, starting from the end of 2010 onwards, it had been pretty standard decline in the context of age/range of the songs and too much touring.
With Richie's departure, it worsened with every subsequent leg of the tour. Europe got a lot of slack on some nights, but in comparison to today, it was still gold. However, I remember standing in Stuttgart and the audio being very "dry" and clear on that open field and it being noticeable how brutally he was straining already.

Detroit '13 is the one I have kept in mind where the HAND performance had really gone downhill for that period of time and then another one on the autumn-arena leg of the tour, right after Tico's return where they performed In These Arms and Jon couldn't keep up anymore at all. That's when his breathing issues really became obvious.
By the time they went to Japan and Australia, it had gone to hell.
Just compare Bad Name from the start of the tour with the end of the tour:
(March '13)
(December '13)

The solo gig in '14 had less signs of accute strain since his voice had rested, but he mostly sounded decent on the non_Jovi cover tracks.

By 2015, he sounded like shit overall. Him screeching up the occasional high note in KTF or whatever didn't change him sounding very unpleasant overall. But at least, he was still sounding like Jon (albeit a bad one) and he was still on his old technique as the setlists have shown on that leg.

I agree that he had something done to his vocals either after the mini tour in 2015 or after the promo gigs in 2016. His voice didn't sound like Jon at all by the time they did the 2017 tour. The "benefits" of that (to my ears there weren't any) were gone by late 2017/18 because he never probably learned to adapt the new technique or simply was physically incapable of it.
And it'll only worsen with every show to come...

I remember reading at some point that you liked nights #3 and #9 :)

Great response and I agree with everything.

The promo gig's in 2016 were iffy. He was much better on the new tracks but when he did the classics like Bad Medicine (listen to the pro shot of Barrymore), he sounds no different than he does today... Maybe a notch better but it's still unlistenable.

If there was some type of surgery, it had to have been between March and October 2016. I don't think it was after the promo gig's...

Although a strong rumor, I really doubt he did anything surgically.

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All true what you guys wrote...... But BJ shows in Europe (2019) were still damm fine. Show in Austria (Klagenfurt) is on my top 3 list and i saw many shows in Europe from 2003 on. :cool:

That's still just 20% of the shows. I also liked Munich '13 as I was there, but would never go back and listen to it again :D

Some shows (Nijmegen, Dublin night #2, Wembley, Düsseldorf, Warsaw, Klagenfurt) were pretty good for today's standards, I gotta agree. That said, in hindsight I saw one of the less stellar shows (Tallinn) in person and, being drunk, absolutely loved it then, but watching videos from it made me question if the filmers had seen the same gig as I did... Jon sounded really, really bad. Shows like Stockholm, Sonderborg, Coventry, Madrid, Zürich, Werchter, Vienna, Bucharest or Tel Aviv weren't exactly impressive, either, so it still was an extremely mixed bag and there was a much bigger chance of the audience getting a below-par show in comparison to a good one. Consider yourself lucky :D

One of my all time favourites. This version of IBTFY pretty much blows anything out of the water!


Setlist:
01. Intro [0:00]
02. Lay Your Hands On Me [1:23]
03. I'd Die For You [5:45]
04. Wild In The Streets [10:20]
05. You Give Love A Bad Name [15:59]
06. Tokyo Road [19:29]
07. Born To Be My Baby [27:54]
08. Pink Flamingos [33:39]
09. Let It Rock [36:31]
10. I'll Be There For You [43:40]
11. Blood On Blood [53:05]
12. Runaway [1:03:06]
13. Livin' On A Prayer [1:07:59]

Encore 1:
14. Living In Sin [1:16:42]
15. All Right Now (with Skid Row) [1:26:41]

Encore 2:
16. Ride Cowboy Ride [1:33:44]
17. Acoustic Guitar Solo [1:36:25]
18. Wanted Dead Or Alive [1:40:31]
19. Bad Medicine [1:46:49]
~ Shout [1:53:51]

Encore 3:
20. Never Say Goodbye (acoustic) [1:55:57]

Superb........

Thank you, I feel I wanna share what I wrote you about this show :)

This is an extra special show to me. It was the very first video bootleg I've ever seen. Plus it was on the same day I met some of my friends for life. It was back in 2005. Crap 15 years. It was at a Czech and Slovak Bon Jovi fans meeting which we then held for some eight years.
This show and that moment definitely defined my total love for the Jersey tour and the album (the other was watching the Jersey Videos over a summer with a girl I kinda liked back then :D)
There's always a special emotion I'm feeling when I am listening to or watching the show.

I love it when a band/Song/album means so much and Bon Jovi and Skid Row are the best at this for me even though I love 100s of other bands for many years.
NJ is my fav ever album but its These Days that takes me back to a strange time I was going through in 96 with my long term girlfriend (which started going wrong around the time of These Days release in 95) and the oddness of not being together for the first time in 5 years when we split in early 96. These Days really spoke to me and still does every time I listen to it.

I could be really late to the party on this one, but has anyone come across music in 8D? It's a pretty amazing listening experience. Check out It's My Life....it's cool.

Edit. Oh, you must listen with headphones to get the effect.

always been critical with how things are going with this band and this man lately, this might be not a masterpiece and whatever, but that "today,22,die from suicide" and on with those men singing it really made me shed a tear

Link don't work on phone??

Found a few songs on youtube. Prayer, always, November rain.

I dont like it. Be good for ravers but not rock. Just goes from ear to ear and makes me feel like I have a ear infection.
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That KTF version is stellar! Even better than Shepherds Bush IMO!


Setlist:
01. Livin' On A Prayer [0:00]
02. You Give Love A Bad Name [5:41]
03. It's My Life [10:23]
04. Undivided [15:16]
05. Everyday [20:54]
06. Bounce [24:24]
07. Wanted Dead Or Alive [28:09]
08. Keep The Faith [33:26}
09. Bad Medicine [41:50]
~ Shout [47:15]

There are at least two audience recordings of this show - let me dig them out as I'm sure one of them is a bit better than this.

Yes. I've heard this all before. Especially the KTF

After Jon says Lord We Gotta Keep The Faith someone in the band (probably Richie or maybe even Jon) let's out an Ohhhhhhh. That always stood out to me.



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I think one of them is yours Nige.

Bon Jovi - Milton Keynes Bowl - 19/08/89 (As broadcast by the BBC)

Indeed it is and the sad thing is that I can't remember if mine is the better one of the two or not.

Either way it was a great, albeit short, show.

Thank god it was after sitting through a whole lot of garbage support

Was just gonna ask if this was part of some radio event because for a single headliner show the setlist seems quite short. Even for promo standards.

Yeah was a multi artist show for Capital FM (They'd never get anywhere near them these days). Had the likes of Toploader, the Appleton sisters, Mike and the Mechanics amongst others. It was a long slog!

I quite enjoyed Mike and The Mechanics, didn't mind Toploader but the Appleton sisters were truly dreadful and received the worst reaction from an audience I have ever seen.

Saw Toploader support Jovi around 1999ish at Wembley.