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Captain_jovi 04-12-2020 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by richiefan95 (Post 1263186)
Does anyone know if they did remove the backing tracks with Richie's voice in it right after he left or did they carry on with the same ones?
Interesting question! I feel like on the leg that Phil joined there wouldn't be enough time to make a change but after that probably. Anyone know for sure? Wonder if we can rip the Rock in Rio audio and do some manipulating to hear the backing clearer.

Jack27 04-13-2020 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1263167)
Holy cow, THANK YOU for this!

EDIT: Really cool hearing the FAITH sample. It at least confirms what people are still denying.
Was this in the soundcheck link?

BJFan99 04-13-2020 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1263188)
Interesting question! I feel like on the leg that Phil joined there wouldn't be enough time to make a change but after that probably. Anyone know for sure? Wonder if we can rip the Rock in Rio audio and do some manipulating to hear the backing clearer.
I seem to vaguely remember it having been mentioned around April '13 that some JT members who went to shows back then could still clearly hear Richie's voice on some of the backing vocal samples, so I think they indeed didn't have time to replace them immediately.

bonjovi90 04-13-2020 11:53 AM

A concert that's always been a favourite of mine. Contrary to the 1993 tour, this time around the band actually really peaked when they hit North America for the summer tour and also for the remainder of 1995. Whereas the band and especially Jon's vocals had shown some signs of decline in the second half of 1993, this time around he actually upped his game from Europe even one step further. I'd actually go as far as saying that the summer/fall of 1995 was the band's best in their career. There still was some of that youthful energy and hunger left, but they were really refined and matured in terms of playing and it all slotted into gear. The band is absolutely on fire, in my book these shows were better than the Wembley release! Just listen to this Always performance!

Setlist:
01. Livin' On A Prayer (not filmed)
02. You Give Love A Bad Name (cut in) [0:00]
03. Wild In The Streets [3:15]
04. Keep The Faith [8:41]
05. Blood On Blood [14:51]
06. Jon introducing jam guests [21:16]
07. I've Been Workin' Too Hard (w/ Southside Johnny and Bobby Bandiera) [21:49]
~ Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye [25:05]
08. I Can't Help Falling In Love (acapella) [28:39]
09. Always [29:39]
10. Blaze Of Glory [38:05]
11. Hey God [44:20]
12. Runaway [51:10]
13. Lay Your Hands On Me [56:30]
14. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead [1:06:46]
~ Papa Was A Rollin' Stone [1:11:34]
~ Jumpin' Jack Flash [1:12:26]
15. Bad Medicine [1:16:28]
~ Shout [1:26:00]

Encore 1:
16. These Days [1:30:28]
17. With A Little Help From My Friends [1:37:27]

Encore 2:
18. Acoustic Guitar Solo [1:44:36]
19. Wanted Dead Or Alive [1:48:18]
20. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night [1:54:20]

Encore 3:
21. It's All Over Now (not filmed)
22. This Ain't A Love Song (not filmed)

Bounce7800 04-13-2020 04:06 PM
Liking Youtube adding the song points to the timeline of the video with that one

DavetheGodofKeys 04-13-2020 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1263184)
They have used a lot of samples since at least 1993 plus backing tracks/playback in Prayer since at 1987.
The playback on Prayer has been used since '86.

Kathleen 04-13-2020 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1263192)
Bon Jovi | Live at Coca-Cola Star Lake Amphitheatre | Burgettstown 1995 - YouTube

A concert that's always been a favourite of mine. Contrary to the 1993 tour, this time around the band actually really peaked when they hit North America for the summer tour and also for the remainder of 1995. Whereas the band and especially Jon's vocals had shown some signs of decline in the second half of 1993, this time around he actually upped his game from Europe even one step further. I'd actually go as far as saying that the summer/fall of 1995 was the band's best in their career. There still was some of that youthful energy and hunger left, but they were really refined and matured in terms of playing and it all slotted into gear. The band is absolutely on fire, in my book these shows were better than the Wembley release! Just listen to this Always performance!

Setlist:
01. Livin' On A Prayer (not filmed)
02. You Give Love A Bad Name (cut in) [0:00]
03. Wild In The Streets [3:15]
04. Keep The Faith [8:41]
05. Blood On Blood [14:51]
06. Jon introducing jam guests [21:16]
07. I've Been Workin' Too Hard (w/ Southside Johnny and Bobby Bandiera) [21:49]
~ Na Na Hey Hey Goodbye [25:05]
08. I Can't Help Falling In Love (acapella) [28:39]
09. Always [29:39]
10. Blaze Of Glory [38:05]
11. Hey God [44:20]
12. Runaway [51:10]
13. Lay Your Hands On Me [56:30]
14. I'll Sleep When I'm Dead [1:06:46]
~ Papa Was A Rollin' Stone [1:11:34]
~ Jumpin' Jack Flash [1:12:26]
15. Bad Medicine [1:16:28]
~ Shout [1:26:00]

Encore 1:
16. These Days [1:30:28]
17. With A Little Help From My Friends [1:37:27]

Encore 2:
18. Acoustic Guitar Solo [1:44:36]
19. Wanted Dead Or Alive [1:48:18]
20. Someday I'll Be Saturday Night [1:54:20]

Encore 3:
21. It's All Over Now (not filmed)
22. This Ain't A Love Song (not filmed)
Are you aware that there is a full recording by Paragon that contains the last 2 songs?

bonjovi90 04-13-2020 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1263195)
Are you aware that there is a full recording by Paragon that contains the last 2 songs?
Yes. I think I got both audio and video transfers of that night from you :)
Unfortunately, I don't think there's a complete video of the show. I could've added the last two songs as audio only, but I didn't remember that bootleg until I was already typing the setlist after the upload :mrgreen:

DavetheGodofKeys 04-13-2020 11:58 PM

The demo of Prayer is pretty interesting. Alec is nowhere to be found, there isn't a guitar solo, and Jon doesn't go for the high notes here, it's David hitting them.

Captain_jovi 04-14-2020 01:49 AM
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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1263200)
Bon Jovi Livin on a prayer demo - YouTube

The demo of Prayer is pretty interesting. Alec is nowhere to be found, there isn't a guitar solo, and Jon doesn't go for the high notes here, it's David hitting them.
Ohhhh that's been around for awhile, it's on the box set too. I THINK it's Richie doing the high parts though.

EDIT: Sounds like both Richie and David singing the same part in the chorus.

DavetheGodofKeys 04-14-2020 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1263201)
Ohhhh that's been around for awhile, it's on the box set too. I THINK it's Richie doing the high parts though.

EDIT: Sounds like both Richie and David singing the same part in the chorus.
I don't think it's Richie, Dave sings the higher notes in a loose way, and he almost always drops the key on " LIVin on a pra-yer". I honestly don't think I've seen a single live performance in which Richie actually hits those notes.

DavetheGodofKeys 04-14-2020 03:04 AM

Good God, imagine if they decided to keep the key change in the last chorus. Jon will probably pass out right on the spot if he had to sing it nowadays.

richiefan95 04-14-2020 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1263202)
I don't think it's Richie, Dave sings the higher notes in a loose way, and he almost always drops the key on " LIVin on a pra-yer". I honestly don't think I've seen a single live performance in which Richie actually hits those notes.
In my opinion Richie is singing with DAVE "Livin on a prayer" before the solo and after that it is only Dave.

james_d 04-14-2020 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1263203)
Always (Demo) - YouTube

Good God, imagine if they decided to keep the key change in the last chorus. Jon will probably pass out right on the spot if he had to sing it nowadays.
I imagine he was nearly passing out then

DavetheGodofKeys 04-14-2020 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1263207)
I imagine he was nearly passing out then
I don't think so, Jon was very very capable vocally back in '95. I'm not saying it was child's play for him to sing that high, but he wasn't straining as much as in, say, 1986/87.

DavetheGodofKeys 04-14-2020 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by richiefan95 (Post 1263206)
In my opinion Richie is singing with DAVE "Livin on a prayer" before the solo and after that it is only Dave.
The high "Liviiin on a prayeeer" before the solo , it's Richie singing that, in the key change, David does the screaming, and Richie sings every second line.

bonjovi90 04-14-2020 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1263202)
I don't think it's Richie, Dave sings the higher notes in a loose way, and he almost always drops the key on " LIVin on a pra-yer". I honestly don't think I've seen a single live performance in which Richie actually hits those notes.
Up until the solo, it's Richie on "Livin' On A Prayer", that's very audible. After the solo, Richie and Dave shared the chorus with Richie doing "Woah, we're half way there" and then David on the "Livin' on a prayer...", much like Jon and the audience in live performances.
Richie used to sing this one with his head voice live which made it hard to decipher him from the others since we've been used to him singing the 2nd voice in the songs with his full chest voice. I guess he was just smarter than Jon by going for his head voice and not blowing out his vocals chords on Prayer that way.
About the solo, Richie rarely did full blown solos on rough early studio demos. Even the NJ demos, which were made at a much later stage in the recording process than this LOAP demo, have much less fleshed out solo parts than the final record.
And I guess it should've been established by now that Alec simply rarely was in the studio other than on the Fahrenheit record :mrgreen:

james_d 04-14-2020 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1263208)
I don't think so, Jon was very very capable vocally back in '95. I'm not saying it was child's play for him to sing that high, but he wasn't straining as much as in, say, 1986/87.
Of course he was great, but he found Always in the original key hard then, hence it was tuned down half a step. I really don't think he could've done it live.

DavetheGodofKeys 04-14-2020 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1263211)
Of course he was great, but he found Always in the original key hard then, hence it was tuned down half a step. I really don't think he could've done it live.
It's not that Always was hard for him, it became a normal procedure for the band. Since 1988, they've been playing everything half a step down, no matter how hard or easy the given song is.

bonjovi90 04-14-2020 02:49 PM
Jon was pretty much at his vocal peak in May 1993, when the demo for Always was recorded. Still, this was pretty much him pushing himself to the border of his capabilities. He always did that in the studio and it's obvious why it wasn't redone in such a high range a year later.

james_d 04-14-2020 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1263212)
It's not that Always was hard for him, it became a normal procedure for the band. Since 1988, they've been playing everything half a step down, no matter how hard or easy the given song is.
The only performance I'm aware of in original key he ran out of breath at least once. To be fair, I actually prefer it in the live key than original anyway.

bonjovi90 04-14-2020 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1263214)
The only performance I'm aware of in original key he ran out of breath at least once. To be fair, I actually prefer it in the live key than original anyway.
Most of the performances in the original key, even in that era, made it clear why they downtuned live. Even when he was in good shape like on the KTF promo run, singing in original key had him straining visibly.

james_d 04-14-2020 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1263216)
Most of the performances in the original key, even in that era, made it clear why they downtuned live. Even when he was in good shape like on the KTF promo run, singing in original key had him straining visibly.
It's not surprising, the songs are very hard to sing on any sort of consistent basis, and like you've said they often push right to the edge of Jon's range.

bonjovi90 04-14-2020 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by james_d (Post 1263217)
It's not surprising, the songs are very hard to sing on any sort of consistent basis, and like you've said they often push right to the edge of Jon's range.
I agree. Jon's also weighed in the maximum of his vocal capabilities at any given studio recording which was impressive to listen to at the time, but sure-fire death for him as a singer in the long run.

bonjovi90 04-14-2020 04:48 PM

Jack27 04-14-2020 08:52 PM
Does anyone know which show this was from? Jon nailed Bed of Roses...he was on a mini stage in the middle of the crowd...and I’m sure it was the first time they’d performed it properly for a while (non-TLFR). The significant feature is that his microphone cut out 3/4 of the way through for a few seconds. I think it was around 2008 and I thought it was either Germany or Spain...but I can’t find it :-(

bonjovi90 04-14-2020 09:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1263223)
Does anyone know which show this was from? Jon nailed Bed of Roses...he was on a mini stage in the middle of the crowd...and I’m sure it was the first time they’d performed it properly for a while (non-TLFR). The significant feature is that his microphone cut out 3/4 of the way through for a few seconds. I think it was around 2008 and I thought it was either Germany or Spain...but I can’t find it :-(
The first Bed Of Roses was in Abu Dhabi 2008 (after the TLFR versions). The first one back in Europe was Barcelona 2008. The best performance was Frankfurt 2008.

The 2nd night in Montreal on the Circle tour had a vocally impressive one:

The one where the microphone cut out was in Munich 2011:

BJFan99 04-14-2020 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1263225)
The first Bed Of Roses was in Abu Dhabi 2008 (after the TLFR versions). The first one back in Europe was Barcelona 2008. The best performance was Frankfurt 2008.
Bon Jovi - Bed of Roses (Frankfurt 2008) - YouTube

The 2nd night in Montreal on the Circle tour had a vocally impressive one:
Bon Jovi - Bed of Roses, Dances with Fan (Montreal, March 20th 2010) - YouTube

The one where the microphone cut out was in Munich 2011:
Bon Jovi - Bed of roses live @ Olympic Stadium Munich 12.06.2011 - YouTube
Btw, does either one of the Montreal '10 shows exist as a full bootleg? I see both of them had pretty great set lists :)

bonjovi90 04-14-2020 10:56 PM
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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1263226)
Btw, does either one of the Montreal '10 shows exist as a full bootleg? I see both of them had pretty great set lists :)
Nope. Only an incomplete one of the first night.

Jack27 04-15-2020 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1263225)
The first Bed Of Roses was in Abu Dhabi 2008 (after the TLFR versions). The first one back in Europe was Barcelona 2008. The best performance was Frankfurt 2008.
Bon Jovi - Bed of Roses (Frankfurt 2008) - YouTube

The 2nd night in Montreal on the Circle tour had a vocally impressive one:
Bon Jovi - Bed of Roses, Dances with Fan (Montreal, March 20th 2010) - YouTube

The one where the microphone cut out was in Munich 2011:
Bon Jovi - Bed of roses live @ Olympic Stadium Munich 12.06.2011 - YouTube
Thank you!! Munich 2011 is the one I was talking about - I was just out with my details. It's my favourite performance. I think I was getting confused with the first performance of Always after TLFR (which was also epic if I remember correctly)

bonjovi90 04-15-2020 12:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Jack27 (Post 1263228)
Thank you!! Munich 2011 is the one I was talking about - I was just out with my details. It's my favourite performance. I think I was getting confused with the first performance of Always after TLFR (which was also epic if I remember correctly)
Yep - that one was in Des Moines 2008 and a good one :)

YOVANAfromPeru 04-15-2020 02:55 AM
JBJ is sooo old
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URWW...ature=youtu.be

Jovi98 04-15-2020 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by YOVANAfromPeru (Post 1263232)
JBJ is sooo old
It's not true.

bonjovi90 04-15-2020 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Jovi98 (Post 1263233)
It's not true.
Of course it is. That guy looked like a 30-year old rock star by the time HAND was released. Now he looks like my 80-year old uncle. Aging 50 years in 15 is some kind of achievement, I gotta give him that.

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steel_horse75 04-15-2020 12:59 PM
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Originally Posted by bonjovi90 (Post 1263234)
Of course it is. That guy looked like a 30-year old rock star by the time HAND was released. Now he looks like my 80-year old uncle. Aging 50 years in 15 is some kind of achievement, I gotta give him that.

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He could shave those 50 years off by dying his hair again.

polevka 04-15-2020 01:15 PM
What I don't understand:

Why is looking your age a bad thing?

DavetheGodofKeys 04-15-2020 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by polevka (Post 1263236)
What I don't understand:

Why is looking your age a bad thing?
It's not necessarily bad for the average Joe, but for a big rock star, it is. He went from looking like your cool uncle in the early 2010s, to looking like a Vietnam war survivor.

BJFan99 04-15-2020 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by DavetheGodofKeys (Post 1263237)
It's not necessarily bad for the average Joe, but for a big rock star, it is. He went from looking like your cool uncle in the early 2010s, to looking like a Vietnam war survivor.
In my personal opinion, between 2010-19/20 Jon went from looking like a naturally youthful rock star to looking like Bill Clinton with a magpie's nest on his head.

BJFan99 04-15-2020 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by polevka (Post 1263236)
What I don't understand:

Why is looking your age a bad thing?
Looking your age isn't a bad thing, but with his current hair Jon looks about ten years older than he is, while as lately as in 2013 he could easily have passed for a guy in his late 30's to early 40's.

steel_horse75 04-15-2020 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by BJFan99 (Post 1263238)
In my personal opinion, between 2010-19/20 Jon went from looking like a naturally youthful rock star to looking like Bill Clinton with a magpie's nest on his head.
:D True. Just needs a saxophone now.


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