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You go on about how religious theories aren't fact - they may not be 100%, but they are damn nearer to fact than the giant game of chinese whisphers that is religion.

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 729216)

You go on about how religious theories aren't fact - they may not be 100%, but they are damn nearer to fact than the giant game of chinese whisphers that is religion.

religion has and always will require faith of which to follow! iv got faith through things iv read, heard, seen,experienced! im sure there will come a time wen u will experience something 2 that will make u question ur beliefs adn think outside the box

What, like a family member will die and I'll suddenly 'find religion'?

I cannot live on faith. I do not believe that somehow the thing with the smallest chance will just happen to be true. I go with the odds, logic, the things that are more likely. If I had faith I'd play the lottery and other things that require faith, because logic fails.

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 729227)

no not just that experience! there are many other things. winning the lottery does not require faith! i dont think you know what faith is having none urself! can i explain it probs not!

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Originally Posted by Butters (Post 729208)

Stoning adulterers. Killing your children for talking back at you. Keeping slaves. Having to drag your new bride to her fathers door to stone her to death for not being a virgin. Killing anybody who works on the sabbath. Encouraging incest, infanticide, genocide, misogynistic tendencies, racism, bigotry, homophobia, in-group/out-group hostility and on and on. The Bible is probably the worst source of morality you could ever come across. The God of the Old Testament (Yaweh) is arguably the most unpleasent character in all fiction, and although Jesus is a vast improvement, he does himself endorse all of God's instruction in the OT and he isn't exactly kindly and forgiving to those who didn't follow his teachings.

stoning adulterers (let he is without sin cast the first stone) i believe that changed a teaching, killin children (your getting this from where), mary was pregent out side of wedlock! jesus preformed works on the sabbath again cancelling out that teaching, as for the rest again all taken out by and disregagred by jesus himself. unless youn can show me where they are included! can u show me were just os nasty to his followers! u acusing without proving.

Injustices in the bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/inj/long.html

Cruelty and Violence: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/cruelty/long.html

Intolerance in the bible: http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/int/long.html

Read at your leisure, and as I said, alhough the character of Jesus and the NT is a vast improvement over God and the OT, he till endorses everything stated in the OT and if you only take Jesus in half his moods then he's certainly a wonderful character, the other half, not so much. But that just proves how Christians cherry-pick the text.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn (Post 729214)

morals by evolution doesnt is again only a theroy not fact. i know dawkins trys to support this claim! it fails to explain why there is still evil in the world! also goes against survival of the fittest!

It's beyond any doubt, ie, for all intense and purposes it's a fact as it's supported by literally millions and millions of mutually substantiating facts and countless different types of studies, including psychological studies which backs up the evolutionary roots of morality. The whole area of evolutionary psychology is predicated on this fact. It does explain why there is evil in the world and it doesn't go against survival of the fittest as I already outlined why. This simply proves how unbelievably ignorant you are on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn (Post 729229)

no not just that experience! there are many other things. winning the lottery does not require faith! i dont think you know what faith is having none urself! can i explain it probs not!

Faith is what you have to resort to when all else fails. You do need faith to play the lottery, if you expect to win, because the odds are very much against you (14,000,000 - 1) just like you have to have faith to believe in the existence of a god, because you know logically there is only a tiny possibility it exists, so you have to have faith, another word for hope.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn (Post 729222)

Which is just another way of say. "I don't know how to explain this, so instead of going out and doing some work to find the reason and explanation, I'll decide right here there isn't one and chalk it up to God." Religion is the philosophy of ignorance.

Imagine if all the great minds like Newton, Einstein, Darwin etc. had just thrown up their arms when presented with a challenge and said ah forget it, it's all God. How poorer our lives would be. What about the discovery and understanding of the immune system? Should we have just chalked that one up to God too?

"Everything in life we can't explain is God", unfortunately for most people never a truer word was spoken but thank goodness for those people for whom it's not true.

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Originally Posted by Cuchulainn (Post 729214)

lol you call christians cherry-picking!!!! lol i just though a few at random! and yea sure its easy to attack religion especially when you take a few line out of the story! eg it says jesus cast devils into pigs! but the story was that he cast the devils out of a group of men first! which then went into the pigs! really if ur going to attack things in the bible then let them things you have read in full and not just some athesit website

So you are saying that every supposedly evil thing in those pages is just out of context? So your god flooding the world to kill every living thing besides a few was alright because there was a good reason? As Butters said you just pick out the nice parts and take what you want, ignoring the bad parts. If you are going to do that then why bother with any of it? If you are only picking the bits you like why not just ignore all of it and decide things for yourself?

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 729234)

aye and athesits have just picked out wrong parts! but extremly badly!