Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 730376)

Arent you and chuchujesus is some kinda (small) confilct already. Your statement doesn't make sence..

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730318)

youd lead a good life though maybe a bit of a homophob but your from dorie(derry) anyway. lol.

Originally Posted by Living_on_my_Hair (Post 730416)

No, im not. You eijiit.

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730377)

i take it by churchujesus u mean cuchulainn? lol other than that i dnt have a clue what that statement was.

Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 730420)

No you andchurchjesus against other board members? Its one 'conflict' already...about religion, caused by religion. so again your earlier post doesnt make much sence (again)

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730425)

and when you say against other board members you really mean buters and to a lesser extent Thomas Anderson the rest just nod and clap

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730425)

no his is a one man war im more throwing stones at passers by. Anyway Dawn is also putting in a shot are two for the religious side, and when you say against other board members you really mean buters and to a lesser extent Thomas Anderson the rest just nod and clap

Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 728582)

Anyway, what purpose does/did god serve in your view? Even if I put my mind open for it, I can't see anything good he did or does.
On the opposite, if he created life, he created a horrible monster wich destroys everything that is good on earth and lets it grow & grow, he created human.
Next to that, what does/did he do according to you, what's his purpose? I can only think of bad things...
(Mom & 2 sons 6 + 8 murdered this afteroon for example, how many deaths cause of poverty while typing this post?)

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730436)

what purpose does God serve? well for me God helps along in every aspect of my life, all you have to do is ask him for help and then let him help. it may just be simple little things but his help is there. corny but meh i dont care. everyone has a guarden angel watching over them if they like it or not

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730436)

well first of all its really only 2 questions as your first and last or more r less the same. you also seem to have no idea about god what so ever, which in way explains why your not religious. God is someone who is meant to sit on in the clouds and makes sure everyone is happy and no harm comes to anyone. thats a humans job, its are fault that them people are murdered, it our fault that people die from poverty, Africa and Asia used to be the richest parts of the world when it came to feul and what else but we went in a destroyed it. we have free will, all our own doing.

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730436)

well first of all its really only 2 questions as your first and last or more r less the same. you also seem to have no idea about god what so ever, which in way explains why your not religious. God is someone who is meant to sit on in the clouds and makes sure everyone is happy and no harm comes to anyone. thats a humans job, its are fault that them people are murdered, it our fault that people die from poverty, Africa and Asia used to be the richest parts of the world when it came to feul and what else but we went in a destroyed it. we have free will, all our own doing.

what purpose does God serve? well for me God helps along in every aspect of my life, all you have to do is ask him for help and then let him help. it may just be simple little things but his help is there. corny but meh i dont care. everyone has a guarden angel watching over them if they like it or not

im not even that religious, i get up live my life and go to mass on sunday and toher special times of year. im happy and need nothing from life at the min cause i have everything

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730444)

you ask why he doesnt help africa? possibly because africa can be helped by humans themselves, why should god help us when we are more than capable of helping ourselves.

Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 730450)

Then why do you ask for help? Or do you just mean self confidence building stuff? To put down that whole 'give me the strength to..." whatever crap to some almighty rather than just realising you are doing it yourself is just making you seem pathetic, you can't live without the 'help' of some mystical being? I manage just fine by myself thanks.

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730456)

you saying that through your full life you have never had anything happened that was out of your hands, something you didnt expect to happen, that you put down to luck,

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730456)

you saying that through your full life you have never had anything happened that was out of your hands, something you didnt expect to happen, that you put down to luck,

Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 730453)

What the **** are you saying now?

So you saying God should help you but choses to let poverty happen (= 10-thousand dying daily of starving among many kids) because it can be helped by human wich hasnt happened for decades...

Nice God you worship... Be proud of it, can totally see your point now

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730462)

so are you saying that every little problem humans have he should just reslove like that, maybe if you looked at the reason why humans havnt sloved it yet, like how they took billions each year from poor countries that couldnt afford it, why they put up prices in trade so africans couldnt sell there good abroad, why the have give insuffient aid to those dying, why they cant give proper medical drugs to stop blindness when its up for slae down your local chemist.

again men need to slove their own problems!

Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 730463)

And you are worshipping that god?

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730472)

no i am worshipping a god that has given man everyhting he needs to look after himself, still keeps faith them even though they kill millions in his name and let eachother die in poverty because they like money to much to give away.

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730456)

i feel that there is def some1 watching over me, be it somethign strange happeneing to me, be it passing exams i had no right to get a mark in, be it getting into my univeristy without getting the proper grades. i prayed for them things to happen because i knew there was very little chance of them happening and the turned out ok. i believe that to be god helping me, you may or may not but thats up 2 u

Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 730476)

Yep, but according to you that same god could also prevent poverty in the first place.... could prevent world wars. If he has the ability to do anything about it and he choses not to then no matter what how you turn it, then we are talking about Satan & not God and your worshipping the wrong one




(same: I see a kid drowing but I chose not to help and continue to walk further)

Originally Posted by Butters (Post 730479)

You must have no self-belief at all if you chalk your successes up to God. Here's a crazy thought, next time you do something unexpectedly well try giving yourself some credit.

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730488)

god cant change the free will of men that is our gift to do as we will

Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 730496)

Yes you said yourself he has the ability to help and therefore to prevent something.
Whats the difference between me letting that kid drown or God watching all thos innocents die?
Nothing because the kid chose to jump into the water?

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730511)

now if we didnt have what it takes to save urselves then god would help us out im sure, he have never got to the stage were only a miricle would save us

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730511)

now if we didnt have what it takes to save urselves then god would help us out im sure

Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 730516)

Thousands of people in this world do not have the ability to save themselves and it doesn't help them. If there is a god and it can really do things to help people it wouldn't let innocent people die, regardless of what bollocks 'free will' reason you try to give. No way would some massive, all-loving being 'help' some people feel better about themselves while other people die. You can try to put the blame on us, and in fact of course that is true, but don't try to claim your god loves you all when it lets people die for no reason.

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730519)

see the problem is your exactly see death as a bad thing, i pitty your view that after death there is nothing, that your whole life is worthless in the grand sceme of things.

Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 730523)

Other than an old book, how do you 'know' that there is life after death? If you hadn't been given that book, what would you think? No-one knows what comes after we die, personally I don't believe there is anything and I don't see why you should feel the need to pity me - if your god does in fact exist, and is as you say all loving, I'd end up experiencing what comes after death anyway, right? Not that I care, since I don't believe. What I believe is that we are here for a finite amount of time, so I plan to live my life during it, not hoping there is something afterwards.
I would say that I pity you, but I don't want to waste the energy pitying someone who I think believes in something that is a load of bollocks.

Originally Posted by Malachy (Post 730524)

lol well i dnt want pitty from some1 who doesnt hold respect for others peoples views, im mite not agree with a lot of people but at least i go about in a good manner

Originally Posted by Butters (Post 730546)

Why should anyone respect your beliefs? What reasons have you got? No good ones that's for sure. What evidence do you to show everyone they're true?

If I said I believed the holocaust never happened and it was all bullshit made up by the Jews looking for sympathy, would you respect my beliefs?

We respect everyones right to believe what they want to but it doesn't mean we respect your beliefs. Your beliefs are ludicrous, as ludicrous and as blatantly stupid and as undeserving of respect as my fictitious holocaust beliefs.



I know it wasn't directed at me but since I share the same worldview as TA, it may as well have been.

You're goddamned right I see death as a bad thing (you don't?) because I see life as incredibly precious. Have you any idea of how lucky each one of us is to exist? I am going to die and that's going to be it and I am unbelievably lucky for that. The odds of me even existing are beyond comprehension. You could win every lottery played in every location in the world every time it's played for the rest of your life and you still wouldn't be as lucky as you are to exist. I am even luckier to live in a free, rich country where I have every opportunity available to make my life as good as it can be. More then that I'm healthy, our bodies are anything but intelligently designed and I could so easily be lying on a hospital bed dying right now. The universe has existed for 14 thousand million years and here I am existing in it. If I'm lucky I'll get 70 years. A billionth of a blink of an eye in the grand scheme of things. That's worthless? How can you possibly say that's worthless. I can understand the nature of existence, how and why we're here and experience so much. I'm not going to waste a second of that precious time. I don't need to believe my life is infinite to appreciate. I appreciate it and value it all the more for the fact that it is finite because really, how can you truly value life if there is no end to it?

If you truly think that your life has to never end to have meaning, to be worthwhile, then I pity you so much because you haven't a clue about how worthwhile, how precious and how wonderful life truly is.