So unless people agree with your side they don't think independently? Has anyone stopped to think why so many Americans do not vote Democrat? There lies the key.

Mouse:You said that a lot nicer than I was planning to.

Some of us really don't like the Democrat platforms, and as much as we think the Republicans have diverged from traditional conservative values, we prefer the remaining slim shadow of those values to their antithesis as embodied by the Democrat party. The Republicans stand for a whole bunch of things truly conservative people disagree with. The Democrat party stands for just about everything truly conservative people HATE.

Adrian

I think Jim was talking about the great number of women who will vote for McCain because they like Palin. It's shocking to me how many women appear to be on the Republican side now because McCain chose a possible woman VP. When in reality, she's all about taking away a woman's right to choose what she does with her own body. Oooh, she has five kids, well then she MUST have what it takes to be a VP. Amazing really.

Everyone wants to talk about Obama's supposed lack of experience, yet say they support Palin. I demand to see her senate voting record...oh wait...

Granted, I think Olberman is a douche but this is very interesting. Just "pray away the gay" I can't imagine that there are people in this country who will actually vote for someome with such extreme religious views.

http://video.msn.com/video.aspx?mkt=...e-4ac68a5b9cbc

From BBC:

It has been a week since Alaska Governor Sarah Palin was catapulted from relative obscurity to centre stage as US Republican John McCain's choice for running mate. Here *edit* is 1 thing we now know about her.


8. She was baptised a Catholic as an infant but attended a Pentecostal church in Wasilla - her hometown since her parents moved to Alaska from Idaho when she was three months old - for many years. She now attends Wasilla Bible Church, a non-denominational, evangelical church. The Associated Press reports that the church is promoting a conference that promises to convert gays into heterosexuals through the power of prayer.

I despair.
Please dont let this woman any where near the White House !!!

Research the church Obama belonged too. If you want to trash Palin on hers, I have no problem with it. But take a look at the other side too.

i think a black pastor has much more reason and legitimacy to say that whites shit all over blacks than someone who could potentially be the leader of the free world saying alaska has been predestined as the place to be once the raputre comes.

bible literalists really are mental. the only difference between her and the mad old guy who stands in the middle of buchannan street in glasgow on sunday mornings telling everyone that they're going to hell because of their drinking and fornicating the night before as foretold in the bible is that she has a captive audience and more worryingly, power.

She may currently hold crazy personal beliefs, that has not yet been fully ascertained. Anyone and everyone is entitled to HOLD beliefs. Whether or not she's acted on them or will act on them is another story and THAT is what we should judge her on, from a religious perspective.

There's quite a bit of difference between believing that Alaska is going to be the vacation hotspot during the end times, and agreeing with someone that we deserved the 9/11 attacks and that the lyrics of God Bless America should be changed to God D*mn America. One set of beliefs is harmless but kooky, the other is evil and NOT befitting a man who could one day (God forbid) be president.

Adrian

Is there something i or anyone else would find shocking about the church he belonged too then? ivd had a quick look but couldnt see anything nasty like the gay hating church of Palin.

Thank you Jim. The church that Obama ONCE belonged to at least has history to back up their claims. The difference is that Palin is a member of this church TODAY and judging from her previous comments, her beliefs are in line with theirs.