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RyanBounce04 09-22-2008 07:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 878229)
It's a tough call, but I don't think the government should be bailing companies out for bad business practices. Yeah, it'll hurt. But it's not the government's job to pay.

The reason I will point and laugh at Obama is a reason I'll point and laugh at anyone: Promising a bunch of deluded people to fix a problem with something that'll make it worse. If Obama got up on his podium and said "I will not bail out failing businesses, and promise to cut government spending in half, and you can hold me to that" I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM. No. He promises to fix economic problems by upping taxes to help pay for massive social programs.

Adrian

It's funny to read these arguments and listen to the political analysts on t.v. talk about Obama raising taxes. Sure, he might be raising taxes, but what they fail to tell you is that middle and lower class income families aren't going to be effected. He is actually raising taxes for the top 1% in the country. I'm sure this is a reason to be worried...

Ryan

Adrian 09-22-2008 08:31 AM

I oppose raising taxes on anyone, rich, poor, or some shade in between.

Then there's the massive social spending he's planning on doing. And nobody bother to say of course that it's all incredibly illegal to the Constitution. Nope, the media just keeps throwing their underwear at their rockstar.

Adrian

Jim Bon Jovi 09-22-2008 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 878229)
It's a tough call, but I don't think the government should be bailing companies out for bad business practices. Yeah, it'll hurt. But it's not the government's job to pay.

The reason I will point and laugh at Obama is a reason I'll point and laugh at anyone: Promising a bunch of deluded people to fix a problem with something that'll make it worse. If Obama got up on his podium and said "I will not bail out failing businesses, and promise to cut government spending in half, and you can hold me to that" I WOULD VOTE FOR HIM. No. He promises to fix economic problems by upping taxes to help pay for massive social programs.

Adrian

sounds like a new new deal to me.

not necesarilly such a bad thing given the way the economy is going...

Jim Bon Jovi 09-22-2008 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 878242)
I oppose raising taxes on anyone, rich, poor, or some shade in between.

Then there's the massive social spending he's planning on doing. And nobody bother to say of course that it's all incredibly illegal to the Constitution. Nope, the media just keeps throwing their underwear at their rockstar.

Adrian

how exactly is social spending unconstitutional?

Adrian 09-22-2008 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi
sounds like a new new deal to me.

not necesarilly such a bad thing given the way the economy is going...

Government using taxpayer money to prop up failing businesses to the tune of billions perhaps trillions of dollars is not good. We get stuck with the bill for bad business practices, and I guarantee you the government is now even further intertwined with running those businesses than they were before. The idea of the government having even more control over trillions of dollars of American mortgages makes me very uneasy.

Yes, the alternative is painful. Nationalizing (or coming close to) big parts of the economy is a bad idea though.

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi
how exactly is social spending unconstitutional?

Article 1, Section 8 of the United States Constitution lays out the only things the federal government is allowed to spend money on. Those items, nothing else. Until amended, any spending on items unauthorized is unconstitutional and thus illegal.

Adrian

Thomas Anderson 09-22-2008 08:48 PM

So it's not good to bail out businesses, but it's ok to spend money invading other countries illegally?

Jim Bon Jovi 09-22-2008 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 878303)
Government using taxpayer money to prop up failing businesses to the tune of billions perhaps trillions of dollars is not good. We get stuck with the bill for bad business practices, and I guarantee you the government is now even further intertwined with running those businesses than they were before. The idea of the government having even more control over trillions of dollars of American mortgages makes me very uneasy.

Adrian

that's not exactly what i'd deem social spending and is a totally different ballgame to actual social programmes.

but i digress.

yet you're going to vote for the scumbags that are doing this as we speak?

Adrian 09-22-2008 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 878305)
So it's not good to bail out businesses, but it's ok to spend money invading other countries illegally?

Ye Gods and little fishies, those words in my mouth, they don't taste like mine... Did I say what you said I did? No.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi
that's not exactly what i'd deem social spending and is a totally different ballgame to actual social programmes.

but i digress.

yet you're going to vote for the scumbags that are doing this as we speak?

I answered the part about social spending right below the quote you cut out.

Yes, I am going to vote for McCain. For no other reason than to oppose BHO. BHO will be worse for this country than McCain will be, therefore McCain gets my vote.

Adrian

Tixy 09-22-2008 09:20 PM

http://www.alternet.org/election08/98764/?page=2

Adrian 09-22-2008 09:28 PM

Wow. An anti-republican site runs an anti-McCain/Palin essay. Changed my mind for sure. How about something that doesn't have the subtlety of a sledgehammer and the bias of a bought-and-paid-for lobbyist?

Adrian


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