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BeExcellent 10-17-2008 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi (Post 884131)
oh shit i see the "don't have a clue wtf a socialist is" crowd have discovered jovitalk.

i feared the day this would happen.

Whilst it's hard to resist the temptation to get snippy at redneck idiots, today it was reported fewer than 50% of british kids scored 5 A* to C GCSEs that included maths and english. How ****ing shaming.

Seriously, how the hell do people get by with that standard of education? I'm definitely slowing down in my old age and have forgotten more than I remember, but I couldn't have paid more for a better schooling and I find it a struggle to get by more often than not.

Is there comfort in ignorance?

Jim Bon Jovi 10-17-2008 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by BeExcellent (Post 884144)
Whilst it's hard to resist the temptation to get snippy at redneck idiots, today it was reported fewer than 50% of british kids scored 5 A* to C GCSEs that included maths and english. How ****ing shaming.

Seriously, how the hell do people get by with that standard of education? I'm definitely slowing down in my old age and have forgotten more than I remember, but I couldn't have paid more for a better schooling and I find it a struggle to get by more often than not.

Is there comfort in ignorance?

oh most certainly mate.

i went on holiday with a guy one time and in those 2 weeks there was the G8 riots at gleneagles, the 7/7 london bombings, the mendes shooting and live aid 20.

i tried to keep up with as much of this stuff as possible via the papers and news in the hotel and my friend turned to me and said literally: you know what, i'm glad i don't know anything about any of this because it means i don't need to worry about it or keep track of things.



i was gobsmacked.

BeExcellent 10-17-2008 02:12 AM

Jim, if you're ever in Birmingham, we'll have a drink.

Jim Bon Jovi 10-17-2008 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Dawn (Post 884139)
I like Joe the plumber :D

Dawn

a guy who earns £125 grand a year that's whinging about paying more taxes... not getting on board with that dude.

apparently the guy's not even registered to vote :S

Jim Bon Jovi 10-17-2008 02:38 AM

oh and mccain mentioned something about having soldiers being able to go into teaching without any formal teacher training once they've served their terms.

the man is a clown and is just lucky his running mate is an even bigger joke as it deflects attention from him.

Adrian 10-17-2008 08:08 AM

According to my copy of the dictionary, socialism is government ownership of the means of production and distribution.

Obama may not be a socialist, but he's certainly a redistributionist, and that's equally ****ing evil. Success should not be punished with taxation.

And McCain's talk about soldiers teaching without training = retarded.

Reading this I'm reminded why I don't watch the debates: The last time I did, I spent 2 hours making snide comments and pantomiming giving the candidate's heads a 180 twist.

Jericho is much more patriotic and entertaining, and it's easier on the bloodpressure.

Adrian

Jim Bon Jovi 10-17-2008 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 884236)
According to my copy of the dictionary, socialism is government ownership of the means of production and distribution.

Obama may not be a socialist, but he's certainly a redistributionist, and that's equally ****ing evil. Success should not be punished with taxation.

And McCain's talk about soldiers teaching without training = retarded.

Reading this I'm reminded why I don't watch the debates: The last time I did, I spent 2 hours making snide comments and pantomiming giving the candidate's heads a 180 twist.

Jericho is much more patriotic and entertaining, and it's easier on the bloodpressure.

Adrian

the problem with this train of thbought adrian is that we live in a society and that means doing our bit to help each other out whether that be refraining from raping and murdering each other or helping those less fortunate than us.

i've worked ever since i was 13 except for a 2 week hiatus and i make not bad money teaching now but i still realise that at the end of the day EVERYONE is better off if we all pull together and do as much as possible to help each other.

if a mate is short of money do you say actually i've earned this so you can earn your own or do you say here's a bung pal just get it to me when you can?...

crashed 10-17-2008 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Bon Jovi (Post 884266)
the problem with this train of thbought adrian is that we live in a society and that means doing our bit to help each other out whether that be refraining from raping and murdering each other or helping those less fortunate than us.

i've worked ever since i was 13 except for a 2 week hiatus and i make not bad money teaching now but i still realise that at the end of the day EVERYONE is better off if we all pull together and do as much as possible to help each other.

if a mate is short of money do you say actually i've earned this so you can earn your own or do you say here's a bung pal just get it to me when you can?...

I'm really interested to hear his answer on that one too.

Captain Walrus 10-17-2008 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 884270)
I'm really interested to hear his answer on that one too.

I'm almost positive it'll be about having the freedom of choice whether to lend your mate money or not, rather than having it forceably taken from you. Which, fundamentally is a fair point, freedom of choice is important. However, I agree with what Jim said about society pulling together to help out those less fortunate ... without redistribution of wealth, they'd be guaranteed pretty much no freedom of choice, whereas those who are taxed are only surrendering part of their freedom of choice of what to do with their money

Jim Bon Jovi 10-17-2008 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 884282)
I'm almost positive it'll be about having the freedom of choice whether to lend your mate money or not, rather than having it forceably taken from you. Which, fundamentally is a fair point, freedom of choice is important. However, I agree with what Jim said about society pulling together to help out those less fortunate ... without redistribution of wealth, they'd be guaranteed pretty much no freedom of choice, whereas those who are taxed are only surrendering part of their freedom of choice of what to do with their money

on another board i post on someone went on a rant about how it should be upto him whether he wants to fritter his money away on harley's and designer jeans (ironically both twatish and token needless branded materialist items)

i dunno about you guys but i manage to pay taxes and also have a bunch of cash left to fritter away on needless shit like overpriced bikes and bits of denim...


we pool our resources to pay for streetlights, the cops, the fire brigade and we don't turn round and say you don't pay taxes so the cops aren't coming when you get robbed so i really don't think we're at liberty to say we're not going to help you out if you lose your job or you get sick and can't work.

adrian i wonder what you're thoughts are on the fact that it's VERY well documented in sociological studies that crime is mainly the result of poor socioeconomic circumstances. since you're an advocate of gun rights and protecting ones liberty etc... don't you think providing less opportunity for criminality to exist is a good idea?


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