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Originally Posted by ponrauil (Post 887390)

Most of the people if not everyone agrees the last eight years have been a total disaster. McCain supported 90% of what Bush did. He has shown nothing of what he plans to do in Iraq or Afghanistan that could be different from Bush. Same about the economy. He, and he ALONE, also appointed as VP, and therefore potential first in command, someone with no experience or knowledge or support in her own party. Yet McCain is still better than Obama for some because Obama... might raise taxes even if he plans to actually cut them.

From the Economist article you posted yourself.

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If only the real John McCain had been running

That, however, was Senator McCain; the Candidate McCain of the past six months has too often seemed the victim of political sorcery, his good features magically inverted, his bad ones exaggerated. The fiscal conservative who once tackled Mr Bush over his unaffordable tax cuts now proposes not just to keep the cuts, but to deepen them. The man who denounced the religious right as “agents of intolerance” now embraces theocratic culture warriors. The campaigner against ethanol subsidies (who had a better record on global warming than most Democrats) came out in favour of a petrol-tax holiday. It has not all disappeared: his support for free trade has never wavered. Yet rather than heading towards the centre after he won the nomination, Mr McCain moved to the right.

Meanwhile his temperament, always perhaps his weak spot, has been found wanting. Sometimes the seat-of-the-pants method still works: his gut reaction over Georgia—to warn Russia off immediately—was the right one. Yet on the great issue of the campaign, the financial crisis, he has seemed all at sea, emitting panic and indecision. Mr McCain has never been particularly interested in economics, but, unlike Mr Obama, he has made little effort to catch up or to bring in good advisers (Doug Holtz-Eakin being the impressive exception).

McCain is better than Obama. The problem is not McCain, but freakin retarded Republican voters. McCain was not very popular with the Republican voters, as our friend Adrian has made clear so many times. He had to appeal to the ultra-conservatives so this is what his strategy focused on. People now put him in the same pot as Bush, but this is just wrong. As I said before, I am very disappointed by McCain's campaign and truly believe that Obama deserves to win (judging the campaigns alone). It's however not McCain's fault, but that of the Republican voters. And I definitely hope that Obama will open people's minds a bit. For he may not be the most capable of leaders, he surely is inspiring. And some of that "inspiration" would not hurt in certain states.

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 887448)

I absolutely agree with you. He should voice his opinions whenever he wants. I'm not going to stop voicing mine just because he's "tired" of me.

You're right, I was wrong. My first wish is that he's going to return our nation to Constitutional Republic it was founded to be, with the small government guaranteed to us in our highest law. Failing that, I hope people get fed up with him. Which do you think is more likely to happen?

I don't see how making sure to type "BHO" whenever you refer to Obama is you voicing your opinion. It's just not needed is all.

It's impossible to judge a man who isn't even in office. Give him time and IF he messes things up, make the claims then. Right now, anyone saying all these negative things are just being negative for the sake of it.

let's see some demoracy in action america.

tis election day as far as we're concerned on this side of the pond so let's see you embrace the democracy you all regard so highly, get out there and fix what has been systematically broken over the past 8 years :thu:

If the other party wins

It will take more than another 8 years of someone else to fix what has been done to this country. There was an article today saying "So Little Time, So Much Damage" referring to all the changes that are being made in Bush's last 77 days in office.
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President Bush’s aides have been scrambling to change rules and regulations on the environment, civil liberties and abortion rights, among others — few for the good. Most presidents put on a last-minute policy stamp, but in Mr. Bush’s case it is more like a wrecking ball. We fear it could take months, or years, for the next president to identify and then undo all of the damage.
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Entire article here:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/04/op...em&oref=slogin

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 887534)

Jesus Kathleen. I wasn't aware that any of this would be possible. Am I wrong or could the democratic congress still knock down any of these "changes"?

God help us...

One American who participated in democracy checking in. Still clinging bitterly to my religion, guns, and money. :D Y'all can keep the change.

Kathleen:That is a particularly disturbing piece. George Bush should be strung up with a few other choice politicians for what he's done to this country. That said, it is just an opinion piece, and I didn't see any evidence offered to back up the assertions offered.

Adrian

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 887550)

One American who participated in democracy checking in. Still clinging bitterly to my religion, guns, and money. :D Y'all can keep the change.

So you voted for Barr? Was he in the ballot in your area?

Ponrauil

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 887550)

It really seems from this post (and many previous) that you genuinely dislike the Republican administration and believe McCain offers little change based on your own experience.

Yet with the Democrats your fear is of the unknown and having swallowed every lie you've ever been told.

You joke about clinging bitterly to your religion, guns and money yet that is exactly what you are doing.

Tonight's the Night (great song btw), don't **** this up, America.