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Adrian 11-05-2008 05:27 PM

I challenge anyone to find ANYWHERE any hint of racism in any of my posts. Bring it on. As I've said a million times before, putting the H is his name is just like calling Lincoln's assassin John WILKES Boothe or Kennedy's Lee HARVEY Oswald. Hell, I've even called George Bush GWB on more than a few occasions.

And my comments about treason have been applied equally across the political spectrum, not just to BHO. I've probably called Bush a traitor more times than any Democrat, simply because he's had more face time.

Here's hoping that he does a wonderful job and governs this country within the Constitutionally defined limits of our government. If he can follow the Constitution, I will be his strongest supporter. If he doesn't, I'll be the first and loudest voice.

Adrian

Thomas Anderson 11-05-2008 05:32 PM

I'll be honest and say that I don't know much about politics, so I'm just asking here - but hasn't the constitution had ammendments to it? Presumably that means that when an old law/right is out-dated, it is brought up to the modern day - right? How long can you stand behind something which is already 200 years old, and thus written in a very different time.

Do you believe that it would have been written exactly the same way given the way we live today?

Captain Walrus 11-05-2008 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mousebounce (Post 887651)
Somewhere in Hell Karl Marx is grinning ear to ear today!

And what sins exactly was Marx guilty of? Short of providing ideas which were grossly perverted?

Thunderstrucker 11-05-2008 05:53 PM

I read of republicans voting for Obama so he is the one who needs to clean up the mess so that the republicans come when issues are dealth with and they can mess it up again.
And Adrian, you are talking like we already have had 4 years of Obama and nothing happened, that is very narrow-minded. Just wait and see what he will bring and hopefully you will be surprised and don't cry before you got hit in the future.

I salute you,
Thunderstrucker

kenobi_on_a_prayer 11-05-2008 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 887682)
And what sins exactly was Marx guilty of? Short of providing ideas which were grossly perverted?

His sin was a complete lack of understanding about how humans operate. There has never been a true (Marxist) Communist government in the history of the world because it just could not work (If I'm not mistaken, "Communist government" is an oxymoron). Who wants to let go of absolute power?

Captain Walrus 11-05-2008 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kenobi_on_a_prayer (Post 887684)
His sin was a complete lack of understanding about how humans operate. There has never been a true (Marxist) Communist government in the history of the world because it just could not work (If I'm not mistaken, "Communist government" is an oxymoron).

That's not exactly a sin in the technical sense of the word, is it?

And I'm fairly positive Marx never advocated a Communist Government (which, as you said, is an oxymoron). He predicted there'd be a worker's revolution, which would lead to a gradual eroding of the need for a state. Obviously this is unlikely to happen, but I'm not sure that someone being wrong about something is cause for eternal damnation, do you?

kenobi_on_a_prayer 11-05-2008 06:14 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 887685)
That's not exactly a sin in the technical sense of the word, is it?

And I'm fairly positive Marx never advocated a Communist Government (which, as you said, is an oxymoron). He predicted there'd be a worker's revolution, which would lead to a gradual eroding of the need for a state. Obviously this is unlikely to happen, but I'm not sure that someone being wrong about something is cause for eternal damnation, do you?

Nah I was being a bit facetious. The problem is that his ideas were then taken and used as an excuse to set up dictatorships, which he kind of advocated. He just thought that they would be temporary (show everyone how to work together for the greater good and then the government would gradually relinquish power because they were no longer needed -- yeah right).

So not a cause for eternal damnation but perhaps a little bit like playing with matches. ;)

Kathleen 11-05-2008 06:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ponrauil (Post 887624)
Nice speech from McCain. Showed a lot of dignity and other things his campaign clearly missed.


Ponrauil

Yes it was but if you noticed when he praised his opponent during his speech, his audience started booing. When Obama gave his speech and he praised his opponent his audience (which was way larger) applauded.

To me just that small "snapshot" is exactly what I have come to expect from Republicans. They should at least have the manners to give their opponent a nod of respect for a campaign well run.

I was up late last night and I had to work early this morning but I am more hopeful than I have been in a long time about my country. I can only hope that he (and the people he chooses) lives up to the promise.

Jim Bon Jovi 11-05-2008 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Adrian (Post 887629)
Well, the American people have gotten what they wanted. I hope they get it good and hard. My brother, a very non-political person said it better than I could on his facebook account:

200 years ago, obamas ideals would have gotten him hung as a traitor by our founding fathers, the writers of the forgotten document known as the constitution. today, he is elected president. congratulations voters

Seems only fitting that he and I take a group of people out to the range tomorrow, the 5th Of November, to teach them how to shoot military style weaponry for the first time.

Adrian

people didn't vote the way i wanted to i hope america gets reamed?

that's one of the most undemocratic and unamerican things i've ever read.

DevilsSon 11-05-2008 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by The Walrus (Post 887682)
And what sins exactly was Marx guilty of? Short of providing ideas which were grossly perverted?

I see your point, the only thing is that Marx was not just a dreamer like other philosophers who are considered initiators of certain movements. He was an instigator, he was someone who would have applied everything he wrote, and who wouldn't have thought twice about achieving the proletarian revolution. Also, lots of stuff he wrote is very applicable and written to be applied. Just read some excerpts of his biographies.

Of course, blaming him for all the evils of the Soviet Union, communist China, etc. is largely inappropriate. But he denounced God so the burning in hell part would be right if there was a heaven, a hell, and all that was written in the Bible was correct :P


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