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DevilsSon 11-05-2008 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 887687)
Yes it was but if you noticed when he praised his opponent during his speech, his audience started booing. When Obama gave his speech and he praised his opponent his audience (which was way larger) applauded.

To me just that small "snapshot" is exactly what I have come to expect from Republicans. They should at least have the manners to give their opponent a nod of respect for a campaign well run.

You are right Kathleen. Though, from personal experience, it's much easier to cheer when you won, then when you lost.

And McCain immediately stopped them, said "No no no!" which seemed really genuine. That was what impressed me most. It was like admitting that Obama was the better candidate, it was like saying "support him! he'll need it!". Maybe I am over-interpreting the whole gesture, but that was what I found to be most impressive. It's so difficult to be a good loser. Terribly difficult.

Iceman 11-05-2008 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 887681)
I'll be honest and say that I don't know much about politics, so I'm just asking here - but hasn't the constitution had ammendments to it? Presumably that means that when an old law/right is out-dated, it is brought up to the modern day - right? How long can you stand behind something which is already 200 years old, and thus written in a very different time.

Yep, 27 of them. Mostly useless stuff like freedom of speech or the right to trial by jury. Oh, and the right to bear arms. Yes, it's not, I repeat, NOT in the constitution.

Ice

crashed 11-05-2008 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Iceman (Post 887692)
Yep, 27 of them. Mostly useless stuff like freedom of speech or the right to trial by jury. Oh, and the right to bear arms. Yes, it's not, I repeat, NOT in the constitution.

Ice

That makes me wonder how many Americans then, like Adrian who will happily die defending it's original form, have even read the damn thing.

Thomas Anderson 11-05-2008 06:57 PM

I wonder why anyone would want to defend a document which has already been ammended 27 times :? Presumably it can be ammended again then, right?

(Don't)Lie_to_me 11-05-2008 07:00 PM

At least it has been amended, as opposed to being left as it was, which would be leagues worse.

milomom 11-05-2008 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 887663)
I don't know the source of this, if it's real or not, but...

http://apina.nwpshost.com/10430.jpg

And I'm aware that IQ isn't everything, but still!

This same pile of BS keeps getting recycled election after election. It was, and remains, an internet hoax - http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/stateiq.asp

The journal Intelligence (an actual scholarly journal - http://www.elsevier.com/wps/find/jou...95/description) contains the following article which attempts to estimate state IQ scores rather than just make them up to suit one's agenda - http://www.people.vcu.edu/~mamcdani/Publications/McDaniel%20(2006)%20Estimating%20state%20IQ.pdf

Compare the estimates for traditional blue state California and traditional red state Wyoming in that article and in the chart above.

Thomas Anderson 11-05-2008 07:13 PM

As I said, I never claimed it was real because I only found it on another forum - I was just posting it here. Presumably if there are real IQ statistics though it would be possible to compile a real one?

Mousebounce 11-05-2008 07:14 PM

Let me be bitter and ignorant for one day. My normal self will return tomorrow! Hehe

milomom 11-05-2008 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Thomas Anderson (Post 887697)
As I said, I never claimed it was real because I only found it on another forum - I was just posting it here. Presumably if there are real IQ statistics though it would be possible to compile a real one?

There goes my lunchtime! LOL I'll give it a whirl. (Of course, I live in a "stupid" red state, so someone might want to check behind me. ;))

BTW, I do not know if that journal article is widely accepted or not. This isn't my area. All I did before posting it was verify that it was written by a professor at a widely-known university and published in what appears to be a scholarly journal -- one with a lengthy editorial board.

DevilsSon 11-05-2008 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Mousebounce (Post 887698)
Let me be bitter and ignorant for one day. My normal self will return tomorrow! Hehe

Ahhhh! All right! That's the Mouse I know :D


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