I agree, didn't Germany and Italy go down this very same route years ago ? and look where that got them!
As for Mccain all it says to me is that he cannot cope with doing more than one thing at a time and there for unfit to govern!

What a pathetic ploy from McCain. One that has totally backfired on him. He has given Obama so much ammunition to fire at him for the rest of the campaign. " the man who cant deal with more than one thing at a time"
Total miscalulation imo, and a cynical one. .... "oh i care more about our country than obama does, smear, smear, country first.... smear... unpatriotic.. smear... oh hes a muslim you know, smear". Cause as usual they have nothing positive to say or offer.

Palin is being guarded away from the press like the crown jewels, she clearly isnt trusted by their campaign to do and say the right things.

They have shot themselves in the foot and are proving on a daily basis their total incompetence

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2008/09...y4478088.shtml

that pretty much sums up why they don't want this clown to have too much airtime. video is about halfway down the page

I find it very convienent when supporters of Bush/McCain/Palin play the media card. "Oh, the media's biased. You can't trust anyone in the media." So I suppose we can't get any info from regular sources then? Where do you all get yours? No matter what links are posted here, thats the only response I see.

Im not a snob. And i was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth either.

Next week will be the 1 year kickoff until I end my life and get married. I have to sell my house and relocate to Delaware. Having "those" type of scumbags who don't work, sell drugs and kill police officers (yes another cop was killed here a couple days ago) are going to **** up my chances of making the money i would like to get for my house.

F EM! F the Democrats too.

The link that failed to show:
http://cmsimg.clarionledger.com/apps...w=600&Maxh=500

Anybody actually watching the debate tonight?

I watched the debate. It was very very good. The questions were fair and I personally can't say there was a clear "winner" of the two. Obama was strong in the beginning and McCain was strong in the end.

Ryan

The media isn't biased? A few years back all you heard around here is how the American media is biased towards making America "look good" all the time. People were saying that you had to tune in to overseas news programs to get a clear picture regarding what is going on in the world. Do you honestly think this is any different? Hollywood is liberal, therefore the media is liberal. It really isn't all that hard to figure out.

Republicans and conservatives think the media is liberal. That's why the public thinks the media is liberal. MSNBC has swayed to the liberal side, while CNN finds itself balancing things out a little better. FOX news has swayed towards the conservative side. Not all Hollywood is liberal, but saying that the media is liberal because of Hollywood is crazy.

Ryan

so mccain turned up then?

I shouldn't have said Hollywood, as I meant the entertainment field in general is liberal including reporters. Here is an interesting article about media bias.

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla...UCLA-6664.aspx

Regarding the debate

Bringin' the lulz y'all!

Tixy: John McCain knew who his bracelet stood for, and recited the name from memory. BHO had to say "let me look" or something like that. If he's going to try and beat McCain at his own game, he should at least make a credible attempt.

[paraphrased]"Yeah, I'm wearing this bracelet in support of of our troops, but I have no idea who's name is on it or why it's important."[/paraphrased] I think that is "bringin' the lulz" in a completely different and unintentional way.

Adrian

EDIT:http://newsbusters.org/blogs/warner-...et-where-media You stay classy, Barry Sotero.

John McCain is a good storyteller. Everything that came out of his mouth had some story behind it that didn't really pertain to the question that was asked. It's his lame attempt at sympathy votes. I think the bracelet comment falls under that category.

Ryan

and once again substance is usurped by trivial bullshit.

flagpin ring any bells anyone?

If Barry Sotero thinks it's trivial BS, he should say as much instead of trying some half-assed attempt to fit in. If he's going to wear a bracelet as a memorial to a specific dead soldier, he should know that name. And if that soldier means that much to him, he should honor that soldier's parent's request NOT to dishonor their son's name.

Adrian

you think mccain gives a shit about the person whos bracelet he's wearing?

didn't he veto some bill to fund healthcare for vets?

I DON'T think McCain cares who's name is on his bracelet. But if (Huh, the abbreviation for Barry Sotero would be BS. Nifty.) BS wants to play along, he's doing a pretty crappy job of it. McCain comes off as at least somewhat credible. BS looked like a fool.

Adrian

Yeah, but lets also look at Obama who speaks quite eloquently without really saying anything. McCain does know his stuff involving world leaders, history, etc. Whether he does the right think with his knowledge is a different story, but he did make Obama look like the rookie he is.

:/

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/wash...lout-plan.html


Ponrauil

mccain is a buffoon and has shown it several times.

i caught the last 20 minutes or so of the debate when i got in from work on saturday night and he just strikes me as some stubborn pensioner and that it's his way or no way.

not the kind of person you want sitting round the discussion table imo.

It's incredible that you say that, considering every major news station has given Obama the one up in the debate. Yes, that includes Fox News. Obviously, you're wrong.

Ryan

Wrong about what? I never said who had the "one up" in the debate. So you are wrong about me being wrong! :P I simply stated that McCain knows his historical and world knowledge, and Obama lacks substance and looked like a rookie. That is just my opinion though, not a fact. So I am not wrong you big ol' Democrat lover you! ;)

You know what I meant :D. McCain obviously didn't make Obama look like a rookie. He kept right up with the guy wearing Depends. :D

Ryan

My fiance would have 4 or 5 four letter words infront of "Democrat lover you". :D

Ryan

i think mccain has shown quite considerably that he's a lightweight in worldy knowledge and foreign affairs savvy ymmv.

Nah, he knows his stuff. Again, not saying I am thrilled with him, but he has traveled to places and dealt with world leaders whereas Obama just hasn't been around long enough to have the same type of experiences.

Depends or Diapers...tis the question!

I totally agree with you. Obama doesn't know how to handle a crisis or even make the right decisions. He's not even in DC trying to fix this financial problem, McCain is. He's not out campaigning, but doing his job in DC. Obama has his own agenda. He's only been a senator for 143 days. What kind of experience is that? I don't trust him to solve America's problems.

Okay... So with all of the controversy surrounding Sarah Palin and her lack of qualifications to be Vice President, would it be in McCain's best interest to have her step down? Would it be in her best interest? I've been hearing a lot of this here the past few days. After watching her hilarious comments in Philly and the interview with Katie Couric, it just seems to get worse.

Here's a few videos



I watched this one live and was just couldn't believe my ears. I understand Jack is a little biased :), but he really does have a point.



Ryan

Well, as far as lack of experience, then Obama should step down as well. He will be president, not Palin. He will tax Americans more than we can handle now. That's all the dems know how to do is take all our money. They never heard of stop spending. The dems control the Congress and they are the cause of all the financial woes on Wall St. right now.

While I agree with most of what you've said re:the Democrat party, the Republicans haven't exactly been a model of fiscal responsibility. We're throwing, what, 10bil at Iraq a month, plus the rest of the "War" on "Terror?"

Only difference is the left likes to pour money down domestic toilets rather than foreign. Charge them all with treason.

Adrian

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4487886n

McCain and Palin against "gotcha" journalism. Compare her interview, filled with an undercurrent of hate, with her Biden interview where she spent half her time trying to rag on Palin. Noooo, the media isn't liberal at all...it's just a misconception propagated by conservatives....

Adrian

The thing is Obama, Biden AND McCain can answer questions with some credibility, and be understood even if like all politicians they all tend to go off topic on every question, and even make their own occasional blunders. But Palin just talks nonsense. I never thought I'd say this but she actually seems worse than GW Bush in terms of speach.
We all know what she lacks for this VP job, and I don't think anybody could tell what she does have for it either.


Ponrauil

yeah twas the democrats.

nothing to do with the republican admin bombing the economy for close to a decade

plowing a kings ransom into blowing stuff up halfway across the world

irresponsible lenders (and customers) getting up to their eyeballs in debt.



nope it's been the 2 or so years of a marginal democrat majority in congress.

holy shit i just watched the new couric video when she talks about the bailout.

this women is an imbecile i'm dumbfounded she even managed to make govenor never mind VP pick.

i can't fathom for the life of me why after 8 years of having an idiot who can barely string a coherent sentence together in the white house alot of people seem quite happy to do the exact same thing with this clown.

Also it had nothing to do with Bill Clinton passing legislation that any Tom, Dick, or Harry could get a mortgage. Yup, that really helped the banks a great deal.

Funny... I remember a debate on this forum around the 2004 election, when you and another poster supported Bush for facilitating home ownership...


Ponrauil

if i'm not mistaken clinton oversaw a record surplus right before bush the 2nd managed to turn it into a record deficit....