Yes, because we never learn. Democrats have such a wonderful history here!

Yup and Pennsylvania went to Obama.

It is over. I can't wait to see Obama implement his promise of "change." It will be an interesting four years.

It is certainly not looking very good for McCain once the AP announced that Ohio and Pennsylvania has gone to Obama. Although with nearly 40 million votes counted, the popular vote is extremely close with Obama leading 50% to 49% but its electoral votes that count.


I sure hope Obama picks a decent cabinet to counter his inexperience because America cannot afford to screw up the country anymore.

Hope so too, he did pick a great VP running mate.

The New President Of The United States Of America


Mr. Barack Obama!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Only got one thing to say:

About time! :p

That guy knocking down in turn the Clintons & the Bushes is truely a historical change for the US & the world... and by a ****ing landslide too.

Welcome back America :D


Ponrauil

Obama will be the president with both the House and the Senate going to the Democrats as well.

Good. No excuses for at least the next two years, probably four or more. If he's as good as his campaign has been a lot of promises are ahead.


Ponrauil

Nice speech from McCain. Showed a lot of dignity and other things his campaign clearly missed.


Ponrauil

I thought it was a good speech as well. You know say what you want about McCain, he was never going to win because of two major things that were out of his control--the fact that he is a Republican and so is George W. Bush and the failure of the American economy.

Well, the American people have gotten what they wanted. I hope they get it good and hard. My brother, a very non-political person said it better than I could on his facebook account:

200 years ago, obamas ideals would have gotten him hung as a traitor by our founding fathers, the writers of the forgotten document known as the constitution. today, he is elected president. congratulations voters

Seems only fitting that he and I take a group of people out to the range tomorrow, the 5th Of November, to teach them how to shoot military style weaponry for the first time.

Adrian

And what a speech from Obama... you can say what you want or doubt all you want... but how good and inspiring does such a speech feel after 8 years of flat encephalogram from the White House? Looking even further back in time he's definitely something else.


Ponrauil

200 years ago, Obama would have worn shackels around his ankles and worked on the fields while you and your folks cracked the whip on his back.

Thank god we are 200 years advanced and finally civilized.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

Hell, in Australia just 40 years ago, Aboriginal people were not even legally citizens in their own country. The residual effects are still being felt.

If society isn't allowed to progress in 200 years, we really are ****ed.

Spunkywho:"Ideals" are the key word in that sentence. Not the fact that he's black. Any public official with those ideals would've gotten a short drop and a sudden stop. EDIT:Maybe not hung... They wouldn't have been elected, they certainly would've had their property destroyed, been burned in efigy, and maybe tarred and feathered.

Nice insinuation that me and mine are racist though. I wish you could go back and say that to the faces of my ancestors who fought and died in the Union army to end slavery.

Adrian

I judge people by their words and actions. Not those of their ancestors.

Cause I'm SO racist...riiiigght...

And when you address my "folk," you are including my ancestors.

Adrian

I'll admit I haven't read the US Constitution. But I think the point was that "200 years ago" was a different time and place, at least one would hope so.

You mean the guys who wrote the first amendment would actually have hung someone for his ideals?

Makes so perfect sense...


Ponrauil

If found to have committed treason of that magnitude, I suspect that yes, people would've been hung for treason. Either way, I updated my post to reflect the more likely behavior.

Adrian

nope. "your folk" includes people who share your views and character, not DNA.



I know this has been asked many times before, but I don't think you actually have ever answered this (at least not that I remember or was convinced that something constituted an answer), but what exactly about obama and mccain violates the constitution in your opinion? (you have made this argument about mccain before and called him a traitor)

Ah the good ol' days...


Ponrauil

True. True. What a better place this world would be for us and our children if there were real consequences to our actions .....

I bet we'd all sleep better at nights....

You wouldn't have to wait for actions, ideals would be enough to turn any alienated mind's sorry life into a nightmare. All in the name of Liberty, of course.


Ponrauil

And again, I'm SO incredibly racist...you know, I've got this picture this picture of me in a bedsheet and pointed hat that will just make your point for you. Hang on a tick and let me find it. :rolleyes:

I've answered this many times. McCain most blatantly violated the Constitution with the McCain Feingold bill. In its original incarnation, it prohibited citizens from voicing their support for candidates through print something like 3 months before the election, a CLEAR violation of the first amendment. It took a Supreme Court decision to restore this basic right.

BHO has a laundry list of Constitution-violating proposals in front of him. His vague insinuations about restarting the draft, gun bans, massive and massively unconstitutional spending. He wants to crap all over our highest law.

Ponrauil and I got to discussing this last month, and if it's not treason, it's real close and much more of a crime than sedition.

Edit:Ponrauil:Ideals expressed in action. Anyone can and could hold any belief they want. It's when they started forcing them on other people that those people started doing rash things.

And with that, I'm off to bed. I've got a busy day tomorrow. :D

Adrian

Liberty and Justice!


You know where I come from, people were hung for "treason" just 63 years ago. Literally. Wake up one morning and the trees lining the street in front of the house sported freshly hung corpses of people supporting the wrong party. I guess the US has been rather progressive after all....

Come again?

Never mind really. If that is all you got, I am not interested as it is neither relevant nor accurate. Hold your effort.
Thanks for trying though.

But that's the thing, isn't it? 200 years ago... Do you know of any country that still measures all it does against what it did that long ago? Things change. I actually heard somewhere on the news that the 'founding fathers' might have a shock to see how complacent their land has become: the revolution that has become a fixed, unmovable thing.

Anyway, congratulations America. I don't know about four years from now but it looks like a very promising future right now.

Somewhere in Hell Karl Marx is grinning ear to ear today!

That is when Obama doesn't get shot any day soon which I don't hope ofcorse.

I salute you,
Thunderstrucker

behave yourself mouse.

obama is as much of a marxist as ron jeremy is a feminist.

Talk to me in four years!

I think I don't want to talk to people, who say such dumb things, in 4 years as well as I probably don't want to in 8 years.

I salute you,
Thunderstrucker

Well, congrats to the US! I look forward to the coming 4 years. :)

Yup and now you will have something completely new to bitch about. As for the comment, that is about the mostracist thing I have heard in years. It's disgusting.

And you know what, Obama might not be so bad. I don't know much about you cause I don't pay attention to your political bullshit spew but I'll bet you voted Bush. Our country lived 8 years under the worst president ever and know you can live under Obama, a black president.

If Americans wouldn't be so damn conservative someone like Obama would have been president 5-10 years ago. But no, Americans don't want change, change is scary.

I read an article in the newspaper this morning that Americans are voting for gay-marriage. Come on ! The whole developed world accepted it already and America still needs to vote for it. And now Americans voted against the gay-marriage because they don't want their kids to be thought at school about it. Get overseas and look what the world looks like these days for crying out loud !

Really, America is the donkey of the world. Time for Obama to change it and he needs more then 4 years for it.

I salute you,
Thunderstruck

I don't know the source of this, if it's real or not, but...

http://apina.nwpshost.com/10430.jpg

And I'm aware that IQ isn't everything, but still!

Adrian, are you sure you live in Wisconsin and not in Mississippi ? Low IQ and for McCain suits you very well. A vote for McCain is a vote for Palin. Why on earth would you ever consider that.
Go be a racist in your own pathetic little world Adrian, you obviously don't seem to develop along with the rest of the world.

I salute you,
Thunderstrucker

Yes and no. Sometimes, at least in my opinion, what Europeans fail to see is that the entire country is not like that. The Northeast and the West Coast are very accepting of change and are generally liberal. They are the ones that would accept change and have ie. Massachusetts and California allowing gay marriage. It's is the Midwest and the South that are generally heavily Republican and conservative. In fact, there are still parts of the country in the South where white supremacy is alive and well.

As a whole, the country was ready for a change and it choose to elect the change--Barack Obama.

I agree with you that America as a whole is slow to make changes compared to the rest of the world but then again nothing in America was done overnight. Look how long it took African Americans to gain their full rights. Look how long it took women to gain rights. I think electing the first African American president is a step in the right direction and America whould at least be commended for that.