I'm crushed that New Jersey isn't the smartest state :p

Well done, America :)

sadly the gay marriage ballot went to the cavemen.

a shame on a day when the US had done so much to right the wrongs of its past.

Wouldn't you rather see him succeed in making America a better place for people to live?

To hope for the ruin of your own country seems strangely unpatriotic.

pretty much.

all of these "americans" that are up in arms and can't wait to see obama "pull a carter" are lowlifes who are showing that their true agenda is their own ends and not americas as a whole.

they should take a leaf out of john mccain's book

Sadly, that's the general idea here in Oklahoma. Actually, I can't count the number of times that I've seen McCain voters call "Americans" in general stupid. Remember, these are the same people that voted for 8 years of Bush.

Ryan

the thing about stupid people is that they are very seldom aware that they are idiots.

True.... I hate living in a Red State though. People are very very ignorant. I'm sorry, anyone that's out to call Americans stupid or try to prove that Obama is somehow a terrorist needs to check their facts. President Obama won by a landslide... Does that not prove something about John McCain and Sarah Palin? No... It just means that it's the African-American population that won the election for him. (According to Oklahomans)

Ryan

all the footage has shown ALOT more white than black folk out celebrating the obama victory,

even if every black person voted for obama he still wouldn't have won... point that out to the rednecks next time they hit out with it.

Exactley... Like I said, the southern states which have the highest African-American population in the country, all went for McCain. It's obvious, the black voters didn't win the election for President Obama.

Ryan

No matter how one voted, the fact remains that yesterday was an important historic day - a positive historic day for a change - yet, some people are incapable of seeing the beautiful thing Americans accomplished. Tragic. Truly tragic.

i juat found this and thought it was great:

http://img61.imageshack.us/img61/4793/td081101nm4.gif

So, erm, anyone else flabbergasted about the fact that Alaska elected a convicted felon as senator?

I mean, come on, the dude is corrupt as shit and nobody cares? What does that suggest about the voters? Or their state representatives??????


I am completely puzzled... can't say shocked when it comes to irrational voting ...

http://www.propublica.org/article/le...n-senate-1105/

hmmm, I only see yourself bringing up the racism issue. Having discussions with yourself often?

I very purposely, and very staunchly avoid speaking about politics on the internet anymore. All I'll say is that I did vote yesterday, and today I am a very, very happy man.

That's funny, it's probably the same reaction people will have when McCain dies in 2 years.

Except in a more "whatever" way.

so you are allowed to decide upon the future of your country, but not allowed to drink a beer. Am I right?

True, though I would be able to drink a beer in January.
If I wasn't straight edge and all...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-...s?q=1&;page=51

^ And these people actually believe what they are saying!

From that website

Shhhhhit

Well lets start with one of these BHO posts... Insisting on Hussein being is middle name is racist and/or islamophobic, or at best counting on other people's racism or worst fears to hurt their potential trust in the man.

That's more than a hint imo...


Ponrauil

Congrats to America! Yay! Better years to come.

Also, I wanna say thank you to Aure, Kathleen and the likes for typing what I would but don't have the time to these days. Adrian scares me.

Brooke, you don't know much about Marx, do you? Social and socialist are two things. A little (r)evolution of the first would do your country good, maybe even a little of the latter. However, I bet Marx doesn't care at all.

I love how you guys ignore the rest of my posts and seize upon one quote that you think will make your case. Knock down straw men much?

I distinctly recall saying that if he governed within Constitutionally defined bounds, I would be his biggest supporter. FAILING THAT (and honestly, who really thinks that's going to happen) I hope the American people realize how badly they've f***ed this up.

RSRocks, you, Thunderstrucker, there have been a few others.

Like Bon Jovi would say, one more time...with feeling! Lee HARVEY Oswald, John WILKES Booth...have you ever heard me call our current president GWB?

Adrian

By that definition, you shouldn't have agreed and/or supported ANY president this country has had since John Adams.

And FTR Lee Harvey Oswald signed all his legal documents in full in that way, hence why the media picked up on that name. John Wilkes Booth used his middle name as his stage name as a famed actor. George W. Bush is only referred to as such to differentiate between himself and his father. Your defense of using the middle name is flimsy, at best.

I can't remember a president in my lifetime I've supported. Some of their decisions yes, as a whole not at all.

I don't care how it came about, using a person's middle name has a negative connotation. Hence my use of it.

Adrian

Where does that idea even come from?

And you think I'm going to buy that you'd ever mention Obama's middle name if it were Henry, Treat or Lightfoot?

Stop insulting your own intelligence.


Ponrauil

We brought up the racism issue AFTER you introduced it in this thread because what you say just ain't right. As an American said on TV yesterday. It doesn't matter who will be president, a black man or a woman, as long as they do their job and be there for the people is just doesn't matter.

Maybe you should live up to that. It is very narrow-minded to judge already. Even more narrow-minded is that you would actually vote for McCain. When he dies in 2 years the world, not only America, gets Palin to deal with and I am sure she needs 3 times the staff with spindoctors then any other (vice)president because she really doesn't know anything of politics and I just don't understand why that isn't that obvious. That's just being in denial.

So yes, we brought up racism, just as an reply on what you said.

I salute you,
Thunderstrucker

One more time...with feeling

Agreed.

I salute you,
Thunderstrucker

That was good, Jim :D

What was AWFUL was Mike's link. Some people are very scary.

Not sure if this has been said but i wonder what al qaeda will make of Obama?

adrian i've said it before and i'll see it again, the middle name thing is total bullshit and you know exactly what you're doing with it.

if someone says franklin delano roosevelt you don't go oooooooooooooh he's a bad guy.

john f kennedy anyone? i thought you all liked him????

John Stuart Mills?

nope. just someone with a middle name. the only time it's an issue is if the person appears to have an arabic sounding middle name which happens to be the same as saddam's second name. it's plain and simple and you can spin it anyway you want but you're pandering to the lowest cvommon denominator and we all know it whether you want to admit to it or not.

I use the middle names of teachers I dislike too, in private. None of them are black. I would seize on any little sign of disrespect for this man, just like the Hanoi John thing back in 2004 that you guys hated.

Exactly, it doesn't matter WHO will be president just as long as they do their job and be there for the people. First thing we agree on. Obviously, we have different ideas as to what "doing their job" means. I don't give a damn what color the president is, what their gender is, whatever. I'd vote for parapalegic Pakistani trans-gender hooker if they ran on a platform of, and demonstrated a belief in returning to Constitutional government. Do you think I would've NOT voted for Condaleeza Rice if, as was proposed early on, she had've been a nominee?

Not a fan of FDR. Or John F Kennedy either. Heard about John Mills in school, never heard Stuart used.

Adrian

John Stuart Mill, of his own free will
With half a pint of shandy got particularly ill

The Philosophers Drinking Song

If nothing else Monty Python taught me some history :p

So if you were a fan, you'd actually use John Kennedy instead of John F. Kennedy?? And you'd use FR instead of the FDR? Just wondering.

I don't think you are a racist Adrian. But I am sure that if Obama's middle name was Frank, Joe, Jack, or John, you wouldn't abuse it the way you do. My two cents.

As of John Stuart Mills, there's no way you never heard the "Stuart" used because John Mills is another guy who lived 150 years before John Stuart Mills and has had quite some achievements too (although I can't remember in which area - I think he is also a philosopher).

regardless, if your ethos about middle names was right, no one would call either president fdr or jfk and as devilson pointed out, john mills and john stuart mills are 2 different people.

the only reason why anyone even knows obamas middle name is because it's arab sounding.

you said you didn't like mccain either but you weren't calling him john sidney mccain... why was that?

Erm... Technically he was John Stuart MILL (without the S).

Anyway, is anyone as amused as I am at all the post-campaign controversy/inside information about Sarah Palin?

Well it's not really surprising is it? It is amusing in a way, but it's most of all a great relief that she didn't make it anywhere near the oval office. Now all the controversy about her is coming from the GOP and McCain campaign aides to prevent her from taking a too big of a role in the party's future.

She somehow was good enough for VP, but not for party leader? Go figure...


Ponrauil

they're just trying to deflect from the fact that they played a huge part in her being picked and subsequently, mccain losing.

they must have at least been somewhat aware of how much of a clown she was before they let her take the nomination and if they didn't well that's what they get for making such a schoolboy error.

Don't know Jim... it was made quite clear during the campaign that McCain chose her all by himself after just a couple of meetings, and that McCain too had problems listening to his staff advise. I think they're all pretty pissed by this campaign they had to carry out and sacrifice a lot for while knowing it wasn't going anywhere.


Ponrauil