the main stream media is owned by conservatives not just in the US, the world over so it'd be kinda stupid for them to actively support obama no?

The main stream media is extremely liberal. Fox is the exception obviously. Haven't you heard of that entire "the Jews" control the media debate? Nonetheless, Hollywood is a huge media empire within itself and the majority, of course, are liberal.

speaking of the jews the whole pro-israel thing the media over there has a hard on for is pretty much a conservative cock measuring contest as far as i'm aware....

given how the perception of the left to right political spectrum is REALLY out of whack in the US i'd be interested in links to what you guys think is liberal msm.

For example, Jim...have you heard of BHO lying to the Illinois Supreme Court? He told them he'd never gone by another name (and told all of America he'd never been a Muslim), though official documents show he attended school in Indonesia as "Barry Soetoro" AND listed his religion as Islam. (Not that he should have to justify his religion of choice, but he DID lie)

Has that EVER been mentioned outside of the blogosphere? I've never heard about it. However in the past 3 days, I've heard the MSM spreading every bit of dirt on Palin that they can invent, some claiming that she even faked a pregnancy to cover for her daughter.

And don't even get me started on the way the journalists themselves act...they betray their leanings in the questions they ask, and the way they ask them. Hell, the local branch of NPR has 3 women announcers who ALL insult Republicans during news shows.

And because FOX news is overt about their preference, all the news is labeled as right-wing...

Adrian

This was just on TMZ regarding MSNBC. I know TMZ is not a credible source, but I thought it funny being that it is about what we were speaking about.

The folks at MSNBC wants us to make them the place to get our info on one of the most important decisions ever. Turns out we're getting that info from a bunch of whiney, back-stabbing, petty anchors.

An epic feud has erupted on the air between Joe Scarborough, Keith Olbermann, Chris Matthews and David Shuster. They're all accusing each other of being bias, partisan and all around D-bags. They can no longer hide their contempt for each other on the air. The deal is that Scarborough is odd man out because he's a former Republican congressman. The others are known Democrats, except for Shuster, who claims he's never had an affiliation with anything except Just For Men haircare.

The New York Post is quoting sources who say Tom Brokaw is disgusted at MSNBC's play to make it itself the official We Hate George W. Bush cable net.

MSNBC's move comes years after FOX figured out that it could score big ratings by aligning itself with die-hard conservatives. MSNBC is now making the same play with whiners -- a large faction in this country that believes the economy is in bad shape.

absolutely horrible writing aside is there anyone (outwith the realms of the mega wealthy) who don't think the economy is in bad shape?

we're not even using our dishwasher just now to save on the leccy bill....

do you have anything to substantiate that?

sounds like something that would do the rounds in forward e-mails...

Perhaps because it's not true.

Lovely woman:

Jim: Here's the link to Barry Soetoro's birth certificate and an associated article. The article is a blog commenting on the debacle, but the picture of the certificate was taken by the Associated Press. http://purplechiten.wordpress.com/20...records-found/

BeExcellent: True or not, in a presidential campaign where the press would invent the charge that a VP nominee faked her pregnancy to cover for her teenage daughter, it shows their vast bias that the Barry Soetoro story never even became a blip on the radar.

Adrian

wait a minute you're talking about liberal bias in the media and using a righty whacko's blog that makes a tonne of unsubstantiated claims that snopes probably wouldn't even waste their time on to fight back?

speaking of the good people at snopes: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

Uh, no. The photo is from a legitmate news source (the associated press). Right wing blogs are the ONLY place this has ever been discussed...BECASUE the media is in the tank for BHO.

Like I said, we've got the media INVENTING lies about Sarah Palin, but they won't give a moment's consideration to the possibility that BHO might've lied to us? Even if it turns out to be fake, shouldn't we still have heard about it? Or would that interrupt the 96 straight hours of Palin criticism?

Adrian

the AP has been proven to falsify and doctor photographs. it's a very loose and sieve like organisation that alot of garbage can slip through.

you and i both know that if there was even close to an iota of truth in that dudes blog then bill reilly, limbaugh et al would be ramming it down our throats.

Still, explain to me how there's no bias when this ain't even a blip on the radar, and everybody and his brother is making shit up about Palin and getting airtime with it? It's garbage and falsified and lies when it comes to BHO, but anything goes with the Republicans?

Why is information about BHO held to a higher level of scrutiny than McCain and Co? How is that not an indication of bias?

Adrian

Thank you Jim - I was about to go there myself.

i'd imagine unlike joe blogger there is at least a modicum of evidence to support whatever is beign said about palin. i've not read into that story to be honest.

i just saw a video of obama making a speech during a wwf wrestling show. your elections trully are a circus.

any msm links to this?

i had a quick scour round the politics forum i post on and the thread on it hit over 100 posts but the only link i can see is from the OP with a link to some stupid blog which i don't trust even though her daughter does look somewhat up the proverbial duff in the pictures on it.

the good folk at reuters: http://www.reuters.com/article/topNe...rpc=22&sp=true

the article mentions the rumours circulating on blogs about the baby cover up but makes no mention of reputable sources following suit....

It seems Bristol Palin is pregnant NOW...

My thought process upon hearing this ran through three phases. Before y'all jump on me, there is some sarcasm here.

1.Huh.
2.I'd like to kick both her and the father in the crotch for doing something so stupid that could do any sort of damage to the PRESIDENTIAL campaign for the supposed "family values" party.
3.The Democrats won't be able to attack her for having a child out of wedlock, that's like 3/4 of their voter base, so they can't really say anything about it. hahahaha

Adrian

1. what d'ya know it's not all hillbillys and gangbangers that wind up preggers underage.
2. i'm pretty sure what the gop get up to or how their behaviour may affect it isn't high on their list of priorities, and it shouldn't be either.
3. i thought democrats just killed all the babies?

as i said n another thread, you've got a major hard on for mccain and the gop these days considering you allegedly see bush as a traitor and are a libertarian.

1.Bristol Palin is not underage for Alaska. And from a theoretical standpoint, I really do not care about her pregnancy.
2.It should be on their list of priorities. Her behavior in private affects her mother, which affects McCain. And I have to think at least partly that if Sarah Palin can't raise her daughter to do something profoundly simple and right, she may not be a good choice for VP.
3.Democrats only kill babies when it'd be inconvenient to keep them. Besides, they want to have a lock on that crying and whining thing. :D

I'm very libertarian. You'd be hard pressed to find someone more freedom oriented than me. It's not that I love John McCain or the GOP, it's that they're the best choice I've got right now. I wish BHO and the Democrat party knew how much I hated them, it'd keep them up at night.

Adrian

cause they're all socialists right?

It's one of those 'wtf' moments.

I realize she is rather popular in AK, but that doesn't mean all too much. Alaska is a much different place from the rest of the country and ones success among moose hunters and hummer drivers doesn't necessarily translate to the prius driving vegetarians throughout the rest of the country.

Partly the reason of why she was picked is because she is a woman and all the Hillary supporters should now identify with Palin. This is BS and a prime example of how McCain doesn't get the first thing about the people in the US and/or women.

I doubt the majority of women identify with a moose hunting, hockey mom w/ 5 kids, and a journalism degree from the university of freaking idaho!!

As for VP, I don't want a hockey mom! No shit. No offense to hockey moms, but I know too many of them and I wouldn't want any of them running my country or actively participating in running it.

Her speech of the cracked ceiling and how she'll be finally breaking through makes me want to gag. If McCain/Palin wins the presidency, it will have nothing to do with Palin's own effort, but everything with what McCain thought she was bringing to the ticket. McCain had met her once several months ago (which is pretty telling by itself) and picked her because she will (hopefully) attract new voters and will not interfere whatsoever in his politics. If she breaks through that glass ceiling, it is because someone opened a window, not because she smashed it!!

Besides, her voice annoys the hell out of me.

... or so you say...... A nation of gun carrying paranoids is hardly an example of a free country....


Also, I find your comments with respect to democrats and abortion despicable. You are christian, aren't you? You think your god supports those words? Your ignorance and intolerance disgust me.

Seems to me the daughter did something profoundly simple exactly right.

Yet you put the blame on the Palins, rather than on McCain's cynical, patronising decision making?

And do take a minute to consider here that he has placed his entire campaign in the hands of 17 year old girl. If she made the perfectly understandable and legal choice to abort, there would be no coming back.

Just beyond parody.

Half a ****ing minute after you implied Sarah Palin should place a chastity belt on her daughter.

I'm sure they'd be very concerned. I know I'm starting to be.

And can we just take a minute to consider what she named her kids?

Track.
Bristol.
Piper.
Willow.

Jeeeeeezusssss.

If it's wrong and harmful to have a baby at 17, you should at least pretend to care an inch. Just a tiny little bit. Like, I don't know. Maybe advocating birth control.

If it's not, you should shut the **** up.

Jim:I hate the Democrat party and their current figurehead BHO because they want to control me to a much greater extent than the Republicans.

A free country is one where anyone can do whatever they please so long as they do not cause harm to an innocent person. Obviously we disagree, and I'm not getting into the victim disarmament argument here.

I really need to get myself a "Why So Serious?" pic. Do y'all take everything I say SO seriously that I can't crack a joke w/o it getting analyzed to death? You obviously didn't read the part where I started off talking about the pregnancy with the words "Before y'all jump on me, there is some sarcasm here."

BeExcellent:As a Christian, while I oppose Bristol Palin's decision to have premarital sex, I absolutely support her decision to keep the child and marry the father. The idiotic and wrong decision she made was jumping into bed and/or failing to use birth control or use it properly.

You seem to infer that I do not, but I abso-freaking-lutely LOVE the idea of people using birth control. It's no substitute for good parenting and good decision making however, and I really do think that Sarah Palin should've taught her daughter to make better choices. Does that mean I think Bristol should be chained to a wall in a monestary? Absolutely not. Do I think she should realize the effects her decisions may have on a national political scale, and think about those decisions in that light? Absolutely.

In an abstract way, I care that she made a tremendous and tremendously poor decision that will affect the rest of her life. Also in an abstract way, I realize that it is her and her family's problem, and not mine. I'll never meet her, there's no way for me to "care" as is traditionally defined.

Adrian

sorry adrian but shotgun weddings for 17 year olds is never a good idea regardless of how "moralistic" the intent may be.

and i'd say your civil liberties have been eroded pretty spectacularly over the past ooooooooh 7 or so years give or take 5 or 6 weeks yet you're perfectly happy to vote for someone who will drag you further down that path?

and as a final aside, you think someone who by your own admission didn't do a very good job of being a parent should be the 2nd most powerful person in the world?

in fact someone with 5 kids in the so called party of family values going for such a demanding and time consuming job is an example of living breathing irony.

We can debate good ideas till the cows come home. The best idea would've been if they'd both kept their pants zipped. From a religious perspective, while I recognize the insincerity of it, I'd rather see a shotgun wedding than an abortion, and at least this way they'll make a go of trying to do it right.

Perfectly happy? Not exactly. How many times do I have to say I think John McCain should be tried for capital treason? That's exactly how BAD I think BHO would be for our country, that I'd willingly vote for someone who voted to take away my right to type any of this.

Again, just goes to show how bad I think BHO is, that I'd endorse someone I hate so much for President, and a poor parent for VP.

And hey, liberals don't have a problem with marital infidelity in the White House, so what possible difference can poor parenting make?

Adrian

voting for someone you regard as a traitor one of the most undemocratic exercises i can think of.

Yeah, I'll just sit back and do nothing while someone EVEN WORSE takes the Presidency. Or perhaps I can vote for a third party that will garner 42,000 votes, 40,000 of them from their relatives and friends.

That'll sure help me lots.

Adrian

Adrian, intolerant and deragatory comments cannot be turned into jokes. There is nothing funny about your comments and they are highly distasteful. No matter how many times you call them 'jokes' or 'sarcasm'.

As a woman, mother, and democrat, I am highly offended by your comments and the fact that you'd even attempt to make a joke out of them exemplifies your ignorance and intolerance and your true character!!

would you ask that same question if Palin was male?

I don't think her parenting skills have any relevance to her job as VP. Last time I checked, running a government office does not mean running a daycare .....

Ironice it is indeed though...

I think you missed Adrians post about him loving the freedom of this country like nobody else ....

;) lol.

I'm with Maria here - I'm so offended that I haven't even posted in this thread recently (except to thank Jim for at least going to Snopes and pushing the bullshit button). I really don't know where to start so I'll just thank Maria.

Until you are a parent, this one is hard to relate too. Kids have a mind of their own. You can only do the best you can and hope they take the right path in life. You can't honestly think that this has anything to do with her ability to run a country.

Talk about setting the feminist movement back..way back. I agree with Spunky. If she were a he the question would have never been posed.

I am glad to see Obama defending her since people are now starting rumors about her not being the mother of her son. That crap is just nonsense.

Adrian does bring up a good point. You don't see people blogging about how Hilary was a doormat while her husband screwed everything in sight. Bill Clinton was really a great role model for his kid. Yet many consider him a fantastic president. You can't piss on one side without pissing on the other.

In the end it is the persons ability to run the country that matters. Not who is screwing who and who is pregnant and blah..blah..blah.

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None of us have any right NOT to be offended. That said, I think you and Kathleen's sarcasm meters need calibration. My trading quips with Jim, who I think you once called something like the "resident bullshit stirrer" is not something that "exemplifies my true character." But hey, I've got no right to NOT be offended either. I'm just not.

My goodness, those words in my mouth, they do not taste like mine...you WOULD be hard pressed to find many people that believe in the same definition of freedom as I do, that's true. Doesn't mean I profess to love my country more or better than anyone else.

Adrian