You didnt seem to understand the questions I wrote.. where did love come from .. its not manmade...

Dawn

Where did your God come from? Seems you can't believe/accept that we are just intelligent, emotional beings - but you're happy to believe that a mystical being came out of nowhere, waved a wand and made everything magically appear.

I'm not dismissing your comment or doubting your intelligence or anything, so I apologise if my comment seems rude/disrespectful.

I'm not sure where you are coming from with this? I think Dawn means that the emotion of love is felt by humans thanks to God. Without him, there would be no love in this world?

My point is that, for those of us who don't believe in any God, love comes along with every other emotion as part of what makes us what we are. If you believe that it's an almighty which made us capable of love then you also have to believe that it made us capable of hate, and of pride I mention those two specifically as they aren't, apparently, very christian feelings to have.

And, what I was trying to say is that Dawn seems to be ok with believing that something like an emotion had to come from a higher power, without questioning where that power came from itself.

"A well-known scientist once gave a public lecture on astronomy. He described how the earth orbits around the sun and how the sun, in turn, orbits around the center of a vast collection of stars called our galaxy. At the end of the lecture, a little old lady at the back of the room got up and said: "What you have told us is rubbish. The world is really a flat plate supported on the back of a giant tortoise." The scientist gave a superior smile before replying, "What is the tortoise standing on?" "You're very clever, young man, very clever," said the old lady. "But it's turtles all the way down!"

hold on, do u not believe that the big bang just happened out of nowhere? suddenly there was nothing and all of a sudden there was sometyhing?

yes life has evolved for billions and billions of years, but how? how did life suddenly begin? ur accepting that we just are?? i thought science taugfht us that nothing just is, something cant come from nothing?

Science doesn't say there was nothing before the big bang. The big bang is just one major event in the universe history, and one that is as far as we can look back with what we know & master today.



Ponrauil

the thing is that even if there IS some human-esque creator we can actually comprehend, there's absolutely nothing to support that this guy is the god we know in the bible i.e. giver of love, miracles, dad of jesus etc....

it's entirely feasible that there is a creator that has no bearing on anything since its work is essentially done th emoment the universe starts.

No, it probably didn't happen out of nowhere -cause and effect, afterall. But, the problem with believing in a God is that you are stuck again with cause and effect - what created God? If it was an even bigger, more powerful being then what created it? And so on and so forth.

Yes, life can appear - it has been done in a lab, so it's obviously feasible that it could happen spontaneously somewhere too. It wouldn't have just appeared from nowhere - there would have been some kind of cell mutation and probably something acting as a catalyst to that. Once there was a single cell organism then it would have started down the path of evolution.

There is the evidence in the new testement, the words of Jesus, the messages he leftr, thats were we get the support for the christian God.

But of course u may be right in that opinion of God, i disagree with it, but it is of course very possible. I believe Dawkins stated that this view of God is a much stronger argument that he first thought.

very true, Who created God?? the idea is of course mind blowing, to simply say God always existed is outside the laws of science, but for me, since he created those laws, it is very possible for him to be outside them. but yes so on so forth the argument could go on and on and on. The Father Coyle and Dawkins interview posted a few threads back is quite interesting, i think it tackles that debate. (i think)


Yes, life can appear - it has been done in a lab, so it's obviously feasible that it could happen spontaneously somewhere too. It wouldn't have just appeared from nowhere - there would have been some kind of cell mutation and probably something acting as a catalyst to that. Once there was a single cell organism then it would have started down the path of evolution.[/QUOTE]

no, life just doesnt start, it isnt the case of a jolt of lightening and all of a sudden life began. Yes evolution takes over when life begins. all of a sudden life just came one day? just started, if they science knew the answer on how to start life from nothing then the possiblity would be endless, humans in essence would become "Gods" themsleves but we dont.

the bible IS NOT evidence or proof of any sort.

it's the equivilent of using alice in wonderland to prove the existence of tweedle dee and tweedle dum.