Def Leppard + Poison to Tour
 

DEF LEPPARD ANNOUNCES 40-CITY TOUR WITH POISON & SPECIAL GUEST CHEAP TRICK


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In what is sure to be the biggest rock event this summer, Britain's greatest arena rock band Def Leppard will join forces with Poison and special guest Cheap Trick for a 39-city North American Tour.Tickets go on-sale to the general public beginning Friday, March 6th at www. livenation. com.Citi cardmembers will have access to presale tickets beginning March 4th at 10am local time through Citi's Private Pass Program.For complete presale details visit www. privatepass. citi. com.

This has been known for quite a while now.

And alas, Def Leppard once again decide not to tour the UK. Bastards. Well, they did last year but I missed it so it doesn't count.

Oh and you American fans should go to this tour if you're planning on seeing Def Lep - they won't be touring America again for a long while according to Def Leppard because if they keep going back year after year people will take them "for granted".

It's the 1st I've heard of it. I'm a fan of both bands, but neither get much publicity in the US anymore, with the exception of the I'm Bret Michaels and I'd **** A Tree hour.

Is someone from Def Leppard screwing someone from Cheap Trick? I swear this is the 3rd tour they've done together in 4 years?

My guess is Vivian and that cute chic who sings The Flame.

It'd be good if this tour did come the uk, be good to see poison!

Saw Def Leppard & Cheap Trick in October last year; short sets but it was a pretty good show.

Why are they not coming to the UK? do we smell or something?

Do Poison really have a big enough market in the UK?

This to me really is one of the signs that the world is ****ed up and I'm living in a world full of ****ing idiots.

Cheap Trick third on the bill to Def Leppard (dentist's chair music) and ****ing Poison (hair-piece juvenile drunken shit). Is there a bigger ****ing joke? Seriously. The world is retarded.

100% agree.

How is DL considered dentist chair music, but Cheap Trick isn't?

Right or wrong, Cheap Trick hasn't been as successfull as either band from a sales/touring standpoint. Hell, I saw Cheap Trick open for Motley Crue.

You might not like those bands but it is what it is.

This is exactly what's so ****ed up about this place and it's one of the reasons I rarely post here anymore (apart from JT being overrun by horny teens). If someone doesn't like something, it's automatically shit. No discussion, don't even try. I consider such people idiots.

Ice

Agreed.

FTR, let me reiterate that just because an artist sells more, that doesn't make them better. I'm simply pointing out here as a reason why Cheap Trick is billed under the other 2.

If that's the case then I'd love to go to your frickin' dentist.

Dentist music would be the new stuff Bryan Adams churns out, not Def Leppard :rolleyes:

Part of me REALLY wants to go to this tour. However, I've heard bad things about Poison and Lep live, and he other concerts I want to see this summer (Billy Joel+Elton John, U2, Green Day, No Doubt) are all above it on the list, and on the mire expensive side.

You are talking bullshit, again.
Sometimes i think you come looking for trouble.

danfan's post was just stating how one act has been more successful than the other (i HATE(!) Leppard but love Cheap Trick, but even i can't argue the FACT that Lep have had more success).
There was nothing there that said, in one form or another, "If someone doesn't like something, it's automatically shit."

Quit looking for problems.

Joe Elliot sounds like ass now, but Poison has always been a kickass live band. They only play for 75 minutes, but it's damn good.

The line-up definitely wasn't arranged in order of talent! ;) That's a show I'd like to catch anyway. I've never been able to see Cheap Trick or Def Lep in person. I could live without seeing Poison ever again though.

I've seen all three multiple times and here's my take

Def Leppard - great live until Joe sings, then very disappointing, his voice just can't take it anymore and as far back as the Hysteria tour he just can't sing the stuff live.
Poison - great energy and concert, but same concert every time, I guess it's a case of giving the fans what they want.
Cheap Trick - talented guys, but the guitar collection is way more interesting than anything else, just too boring for me

Honestly I wouldn't have given any of these bands more than one try, they all are washed up in one way or another and weren't really entertaining.
Dave

Honestly both of these statements are dead on. I thought Poison was great live but it really truly is the same show everytime (i've seen them three times.) Same with DL and Joe's voice, only saw them once with Bryan Adams a few years back and i had fun but Joe's vocals, not so great.

Still i would go see them again, both bands are alot of fun and the whole crowd sings along anyway. I'm sure you would have a good time.

Cheap Trick -


Dentist's Chair Music -

But artistically...

You're pretty much making my point for me.

Well, by taking random songs out of context, you could make the same point about most bands. I realise Def Leppard and Poison aren't exactly the most creative bands around, but I went to a Def Leppard concert last year and enjoyed it, and if that makes me a ****ing retard then so be it.:)

As a side note, my dentist had Fall Out Boy and Panic At The Disco playing at my last visit.

Shut the **** up. You're one of the reasons this board is going to hell. You have no respect for anyone elses opinion.

You moron. I was agreeing with danfan and disagreeing with you and the other guy who thinks they have a right to say what's shit and what is not. People who call other people idiots because of the music they like are idiots. And that's you, my friend.

Quit trying to act like you own the place. I do what I please, if you don't like it, **** off. And try to learn to respect opinions while you're at it.

Ice

It does not make you a retard, DL were really good. I saw them on the last tour as well and they kicked ass. They didn't even sell out the arena they played in, but still gave hell of a show.

Ice

It's called expressing an opinion. And not a particularly controversial one. And one that can easily be backed up with facts and examples. That I choose to make it drunk on a friday night and use swears while doing so isn't something that a grown up should really be shocked by. The world values formulaic, predictable, unchallenging music over genuine creativitiy. There was a wider point.

And I damn well do have the right.

Well. The context is that those two songs exemplify the qualities that the bands fans admire in them. Def Leppard something to make the day pass by a little more smoothly, without having to think too much about anything. Cheap Trick showing you something new, challenging you and offering excitement. I could give you chapter and verse on songs and context for both bands, but it would bore.

There's a place for Def Leppard - i don't regret the money I've paid to see them, but I'm not going to get anything new from a third show I didn't get from the second.

This from the man who thinks you shouldn't even be able to call a band shit.

You couldn't make it up.

Surely its down to peoples personnal opinions to what they like and dislike. This doesnt mean that band is shit or good. As the saying goes one mans music is another mans noise just learn to respect each others opinions without attacking!

You can call a band whatever you like, but when you call people retards or idiots for liking a band, you cross the line. Everybody's entitled to like whatever they want, wheather you like it or not.

Ice

Oh noes, i crossed the line.

Get over your hurt feelings and grow the **** up. Anyone with half a brain can see that I was lamenting the state of a world that elevates mediocrity.

Nowhere did I call any individual an idiot or a retard, but i would stand by the argument that someone whose musical taste revolved mainly around Poison and Def Leppard at the very least lacks a certain intellectual curiousity.

Do you even read what you type yourself?

First, learn to quote. No need to double post every time.
There are no facts to support calling people idiots for liking Poison or Def Leppard.

Idiotic behaviour? And anyway, you still have no right to tell others what to like. Be it creative or not. And besides, you do not get to tell what's creative and what's not. It's not a fact, it's a matter of opinion. You like something, other people like other stuff. And they're as right as you.

No, you don't. You have a right to your opinion, but not the right to tell people they're idiots for liking music you don't like.

There you go again. Judging people based on their musical tastes is a sign of an idiot. You just can't seem to grasp the idea of "taste". Everyone's entitled to their opinion, even you. But you have NO right to judge people based on their taste. Intelligence has nothing to do with your taste in music. If you honestly think that, you're going to have a very interesting live ahead of you.

You don't have the right to tell other people what to think no matter what you think. You can say that you think a band is shit, but that's not the ultimate truth. You can NOT call someone an idiot for liking a band. Do that and I promise I'll **** with you every time.

And no, my feelings aren't hurt. I couldn't care less what you think of my taste in music. I really don't. People with self-esteem as bad as you seem to have aren't too high up on my list of people I give a damn about. I respect people who respect others, not people who think they get to tell others what to do.

Ice

I have every right to do that. It's called having a personality.

Except it does. Some music demands concentration, the ability to understand themes and motifs, to be open to new ideas and new cultures.

Poison demands the listener to enter a 1980's timewarp and has nothing more profound to say than "Every Rose Has it's Thorn". C chord. G chord. C chord. G chord. C chord. G chord. If that's all it takes to satisfy your mind, your heart or your soul, you ARE a ****ing idiot. It's practically the definition.


And every time you'll make a ****ing fool of yourself. If only you had the self-awareness to realise it.

For example, by living in a fantasy world, reading way more into people's posts than were originally intended and frankly just making shit up -"people who think they get to tell others what to do" - puhlease, as if i ever said anything even close

Ok, you call it "personality", the rest of the world calls it "being an asshole".

No, it doesn't. What you're referring to is called analysis. You can do that if it makes you happy, but it has nothing to do with listening to music. If that were the case, computers could write perfect songs. The amount of chords, the complexity of the composition or the tempo changes have nothing to do with creating a good song.

But then again, seeing what you like, you probably wouldn't know a good song if it bit you in the ass. Which is why you have to justify your taste by putting down others. A classic sign.

And again you're completely missing the point in order to try to let us know how intelligent, creative and completely perfect you are. Except you have no idea of "music". Music is about emotions, feelings. People like different things and are allowed to do so. You do not get to tell them their wrong, because you know nothing about them.

The only reason your having this "conversation" is because you love Cheap Trick. A band that created their (very moderate) success by dressing as outrageously as they could and wrote easy-going pop-songs. How does that fit in with your definition of intelligence?

I'm willing to bet my IQ is higher than yours, as mine is in the top 5%. I like 80s hard rock, including Poison. I also like Cheap Trick. And Sting. Explain that.

Nope, you're the one trying to make this personal. You're the one calling people idiots and retards and making claims that listenin to Poison is a sign of idiotism. That does not make ME a fool.

You've done it again and again. If you didn't intend on calling people idiots for liking Def Leppard and Poison you probably shouldn't have said so.

Ice

This stopped being fun a long, long time ago.

You claim intelligence and yet

• you feel the need to defend unnamed others from a hurt you imagine they are feeling. People are able to speak up for themselves.
• you are signally unable to grasp the point of my original post
• you believe all music is of equal merit - just so blatently untrue i don't even know where to begin
• You resort to attacks significantly more personal than those you are decrying yourself and fail to see the irony
• You are a fantasist, with little grasp of logic or reasoning and an amazing ability to deliberately misread people's statements
• You dismiss the idea that an openness to new ideas and an understanding of how music works can deapen it's impact. yes, i mean emotionally.
• Lack a basic understanding of rights.

You say "you do not get to tell them their wrong, because you know nothing about them" and yet over the last few points have told me I have low self esteem and that i know nothing about music, cast aspersions about my intelligence and called me an asshole. Are you at all self-aware?

Really? I admit the Yeah!/Sparkle Lounge tours have not been great, but from what I've seen/heard from the Adrenalize/Slang/Euphoria tours, Joe sounded very good. Have you not seen Tokyo 1999?

It was never meant to be fun.

I never claimed anything, you did.

Yeah, they are. And like I said, anytime you try to tell someone is wrong for liking something, I'm going to react. If there's one thing I can't stand, it's people who think they're better than others just because someone doesn't like the same things they do.

No, I grasped it alright. I just disagree with it very strongly. No music is more intelligent or dignified than other. Especially when your talking about bands like Poison and Cheap Trick.

No, not untrue. It's a question of taste. Just like the most delicate gourmet meal might be lost to you, it doesn't mean it's crap. Also, it doesn't mean that a cheeseburger wouldn't be just as good. It's a question of taste. Something you cannot measure and can't judge. All music is of the same value, the people just like different things. And should be allowed to do so without stupid people telling them they're wrong.

Just keeping up with you. The irony is that you can't grasp what's being discussed and still try to use the same arguments dismissed a long time ago.

[quote]You are a fantasist, with little grasp of logic or reasoning and an amazing ability to deliberately misread people's statements[/quote]

Wasn't it you who spoke about personal insults and irony? Well, pot kettle etc.

No, YOU do exactly that. You're so hung up on complexity and chor progressions that you totally missed that. If you were open, you'd say, "Oh, I don't like the Poison songs people seem to like, maybe I should look into this. Why do they like this and I don't". Instead, you call them idiots. Again, insults and irony. From YOU.

No. Freedom of speech let's you say basically what you want. But morally you can't dismiss the opinions of others. And you certainly can't insult people because of their opinions.

I never said YOU had any of those things. I said that the way you act implies those things. Looks like I hit home. And I never said you know nothing about music. And I also didn't call you an asshole. I called people who tell others they're idiots for liking someone assholes. According to you, you don't do that. So?

And what a wonderful way to completely dismiss the arguments I gave. Again, a classic sign of a person who doesn't know how to back up their arguments. Say that "this isn't fun anymore, I'm going home" and then thinking they were right. No, you just gave up.

Ice

Ice

Christ. You actually believe yourself....