It's kind of hard to contribute something when peoples posts are getting deleted, and before you tell me that only offensive posts are deleted, I've seen a few relevant posts get deleted for no identifiable reason but guess who they were from: 'notorious' member Tictoc. Because certain members have a name for themselves as trouble-makers on the board it looks to me as if there is some biased deletions here.

I'll try and find out exactly what the deleted posts said just to prove they shouldn't have been deleted.

I see theres no point in arguing anyway, I could complain until I get repetitive strain injury and it wouldn't make a blind bit of difference because no-one gives a shit anymore. Think I'll take a break from Jovitalk, Any posts I make'll be few and fleeting. Still at least its's a bit of relief for the mods. Oh well, see you guys around. :|

Is it any wonder that people can get away with saying cunt and nigger in here without reprisal, when this board has mods who talk to users like shit too? BTW, don't insinuate people who don't buy into the clique are immature when you refer to someone as twat leakage you moron.

That was a completly idiotic post. "Immature" is precisely what "twat leakage" means. The twat leakage of this board is the only clique on this board. The only reason you think there is a clique otherwise is because you are twat leakage and lack the mental capability to understand anything I have said about actually adding value to the board other than posts like the above.

Swearing is allowed. If you ever use a racial epithet again you'll receive an infraction. Don't pretend to not understand the difference between that and cunt, or do you want to further prove your status as twat leakage?

If you bother replying it had better be to acknowledge you understand the warning. I have yet to see any of the twat leakage of the board actually get a grip on what we've been saying which just further goes to show that parents today are obviously letting their twat droppings roam the internet unsupervised.

I don't see why the people who don't like Seb's posts can't just add him to their 'ignore lists'. Many of us did this when born_to_run was trawling the board with his bullshit.

Then you won't need to see any of his posts and this childish nonsense can be avoided.


Problem solved.

Excellent suggestion!

Why thank you ;)

As this is mostly as discussion between bleeding/walrus & tictoc/dutch/matrix and as all has been said in this thread I just want to add I'm with tictoc/dutch/matrix.... not much too add what they have said, well....

There was a time that he was the one insulting people on this board and he was the one putting people down on this board... long before there were others that were doing the same... It was about time he got back on it... long due actually.

All what people have said to Seb, he has said it before to other persons - at least once in all the years on this board.... alright he's got slighting down a lot, but since when did that happen????

He himself gotten it worse again by putting special attention on it by making a own thread about it instead of ignoring it which he 'claims' doing it himself. And the '..' aren't there for nothing...

Sure Seb can be an annoying little prick, often deliberately. I've come to respect him as a contributor to the Bon Jovi community but that doesn't mean he doesn't still grate me from time to time, to put it nicely.:rolleyes: But as far as I can see, he's not the one who's been trolling this board with the sole purpose of launching personal attacks on other members.

I completely empathize with what you had to say and thank you for stating it in a way that shows you obviously aren't just a shit-starter for the sake of shitting in the middle of the room.

Look, as I said I have a long history of battles with Seb that predate many of you. I understand the torches and pitchforks. The issue at hand is when do you become part of the problem? Because Seb did it, doing it back is justified? The same effect Seb had at his worst is the exact same effect anyone else like TicToc or whoever behaves in a similar way back has the same effect on all. It doesn't matter whether the one doing it is Seb or KRB or Tic Toc. It's all the same end result.

You said that Seb put special attention by making his own thread on it. Seb shared his experience and where he stands. It serves as an explanation for his harshness on the new album and recent years of the band. Consider it the most you'll get towards an apology without one given in a place that allows for everyone to have their own opinion. I'd rather see threads like Seb's from each every poster who has been coming to the board on a mission to wage personal attacks against someone they think deserves it. Jesus Christ...there are better ways to spend your time! That's how you arrive at turning into what you hate.

Seb has contributed plenty of positivity to this board, which is why he'll never be regarded in the same light as Krb, the king of nuisance with no worth, ever was. He is mischievous with a twisted sense of humor. He'll toy with you if you let him. He has depth and heart when you get down to it. Now try to imagine yourself standing up for him because over time you had a better perspective on it all and you understand where I'm coming from. If you still think there is a conspiracy then you deserve every bit of derision of immaturity I've thrown out. Why else do I keep suggesting you spend less time acting like Seb at his worst and actually contributing something postive to the board as Seb himself does whether you choose to see that or not?

I'd like to think all will get that, but unfortunately for some it will take time and alot of excuses for refusing to otherwise get it.

I love Bleeding Purist.

Ice

Aloha !

I love myself.

Salaam Aleikum,
Sebastiaan

I know, but like I keep saying you, don't do it in public. People feel threatened. I learned it the hard way when i scared a mob of 2 metres tall black men. They all ran away crying.

Ice

Bleeding purist?

Bleeding bore more like, all mouth and no trousers.

Yeah I acknowledge the warning.

I assume Seb was warned in pm, hey? Because there are no cliques on this board.....

Damn, good point, if he didn't get a warning that is just blatant proof of this alleged bias.

He didn't get a warning, and if they say he did they're lying.

That post wasn't even removed, a sickening racial remark of the lowest kind. But mine, mainly poking a bit of fun have been removed.

F-u-c-k-i-n-g stinks.

I fail to see what Tictoc and the likes who agree with him really want to achieve here. If it is equality and fairness, this board is about as close to any Bon Jovi board in offering that--especially when it is privately funded by one person and one person only. He pays for the right to make the rules and the Mod team abide by his wishes and enforce them. If you really want a complete freedom of speech, Topix is a completely free Bon Jovi board loaded with moronic ideals and comments...There are also plenty of other ways of communicating with other fans via other forums, facebook and twitter.

This place has always served as a stark contrast to Backstage in that this is meant to be a safe haven to express yourself even in a negative manner concerning the band. It has always been the nature of the board and won't change because a handful of people come in kicking and screaming like 10 year-olds.

Tictoc, you also insinuate that your posts would change if there was more moderation on certain other members (mainly Seb) but I fail to see any evidence of that. You have been rude and brash in almost every post since post #1. I'll bet that half of your posts on this forum are not even Bon Jovi or in the case of non-Jovi realted forums on topic but merely personal attacks on people you deem to be in some sort of "in-crowd".

Anyone who signed up after 2002 should be banned.

Bloody bandwagon jumping trouble makers :rolleyes:

This is going way to far. Matrix15 is jumping on some stupid band wagon because he always pms tictoc and is basically tictocs pet.

There are some valid points on about how sebs comments should have been deleted, but tictocs posts have gone 25 times too far. His "jokes" are not funny, and actually piss me off, and more or less insult other peeole. I have seen absolutely no attempt for tictoc to contribute to this community. I will change my password and forget it and never come back if you can find me 6 actual contributing posts tictoc has made. (about 1% of his total posts) what's more, I bet I could find at the very lest 1000 posts of sebs that actually contributed and helped this board (about 10% of his posts)

You idiots have no real, valid argument, and to prove that, RSROCKS posted some very valuable points, and all tictoc could think of is replying "you suck"... I have added tictoc to my ignore list. I'm done with his crap. All he ever does is to get his puppets to post for him, and yet he still doesn't post anything longer than a few sentences, and fails to not insult someone in every post he makes.

Oh look, the child makes accusations and then puts me on his ignore list so he can't read my rebuttal.

Matrix doesn't always PM me and is infact one of the few people on this board who thinks for himself.

You mean the 2 pm converstions I had? hardly think that constitutes being a 'pet' does it. How you think you can say anything about my motives or point of view is beyond me when your first assumption of me pming Tictoc was so off the mark. Saying I am 'jumping on some stupid band wagon' just because I happen to agree with Tictoc, Dutch or TheseDays2005 point of view is ridiculous. If I were arguing against Tictoc, etc would I become Bang a drums 'pet' because thats who I sided with?

Now, could someone please explain Dutchs point about why he was given a warning for using a racial slur yet Supersonic seemed to recieve none?

Nobody is disputing Seb's contribution to this board in terms of his knowledge or post count. The point is he is treated more lenient compared to other posters when he is guilty as they are for over stepping the mark. A person should not be shown favouritism because they are popular. Turning a blind eye is an example of that. If you think otherwise you are an idiot. Putting Seb on the ignore list would not change the fact he does as he pleases due to the biased moderators not wanting to confront him.

I have decided to take up your challenge :)

Now remove yourself please 8)


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http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...thread_hot.gif BOUNCE - under-rated
Views: 3,958
Posted By Tictoc
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...cons/icon1.gif The reason it's so over produced was because they...

The reason it's so over produced was because they had it recorded months in advance of the release date, so they touched everything up and over dubbed the hell out of it.

It was a half arsed post...


http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...n/post_old.gif 03-24-2008, 05:28 PM Replies: 87
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...thread_hot.gif Poll: Favourite band-member
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Posted By Tictoc
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...cons/icon1.gif Even though I love Tico and play the drums Richie...

Even though I love Tico and play the drums Richie still gets my vote.

He gives the band soul and depth, and he seems to be a nice guy with it.

http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...n/post_old.gif 03-29-2008, 04:06 PM Replies: 72
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...thread_hot.gif She's A Mystery
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Posted By Tictoc
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...cons/icon1.gif She's a mystery is the only song off Crush I...

She's a mystery is the only song off Crush I bother listening to anymore.

It's beautiful, Haunting and melancholic, I wish the band would take this route more often because they can make it work.


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http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...thread_hot.gif Official April 9, 2008 Staples Center, San Jose thread
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Posted By Tictoc
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...cons/icon1.gif I think Jon's giving the crowd what they want,...

I think Jon's giving the crowd what they want, the man has has 20+ years experience of writing set lists.

We'll see a big change come Europe, when Dry County, Hey God, Tokyo road are wheeled...


04-12-2008, 02:23 PM Replies: 36
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...thread_hot.gif Poll: The verdict: Joey
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Posted By Tictoc
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...cons/icon1.gif Joey is a combination of Schmaltzy songwriting...

Joey is a combination of Schmaltzy songwriting and boring musicality.

It's just one example of why it was a terrible decision on Bounce to mix hard rock with Billy Joel type songs.

Apart from the...

http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...n/post_old.gif 02-14-2008, 07:05 PM Replies: 63
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Views: 3,958
Posted By Tictoc
http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/images...cons/icon1.gif Bounce could have been very good, some of the...

Bounce could have been very good, some of the rockier B sides should have replaced the dull cheesy ballads.

As it is it's pretty poor.

Sorry, let me rephrase that that. Posting an opinion is NOT contributing to this board. You could argue that him posting something like: "ticos stick is an idiot" is an opinion, and therefore a contribution to this board. But its not. A contribution is something posted that is valuable to others. I have found not one post that has been posted by him that has been valuable to me or 99% of this board.

Did you report it at the time?

tico's_stick, I notice how those posts are all from last year. I presume that that's because you started from "Post 1" as Erik said, but it also says something about TicToc. He used to make proper posts about the band, and I for one didn't have a problem with him then. In fact, I agreed with a lot of his opinions.

But recently (well, the past few months) he seems to have started to just insult me, my friends on here, and anyone else who dares to say anything that he doesn't agree with. In fact, a lot of his attacks are simply for the sake of it. That's when lots of us developed a problem with him.

TicToc, you're not getting singled out at all. You start personally attacking people and you can expect a rebutal of some sort. I've had members have a go at me when I've gone to far, and had a couple of PMs from mods too. So has Seb, and everyone else you take such pleasure in regularly insulting.

And there's not some sort of prejudice against new members. Plenty of members have come along recently and made decent contributions, it's just some....haven't.

Not once, but twice. :rolleyes:

Did you report it?

I'm reporting it now. Had I seen it earlier I would have reported it then. The fact is its now still on the board and the question is what's going to be done about it?

Oh NOW you are reporting it when a moment ago it was an example of moderator bias.
Follow proper reporting procedure.

Yeah, thought I'd kill two birds with one stone. now, I've followed your procedure I trust it'll get dealt with.

Two birds with one stone? Nope. It's your responsibility to click that button if you feel something inappropriate or insulting needs to be subject to moderator review. We have lives where it's plain to see many trolling this thread pouting and stomping do not.

Yeah I took the responsibility and pressed the button and now you're telling me that it won't be sorted because the moderators 'have lives'?

I'm not asking you to sort it this second, I just want to know that a mod is going to handle this complaint at some point.

Nope, read what I said again. Getting ahead of yourself.

Admittedly I read it straight after reading the post before and go the wrong context and I know the mods need issues reporting to them to do something about it. I have done that, all I am asking is that you confirm that my reporting will be reviewed by a mod and action taken when the time is right. Unless I'm missing something here or being unclear.

There is a six week review process following a two week holding period. Rulings are rendered on the last business day of the month and are not subject to confirmation.

;)

Oh boo fucking hoo. Who was it offensive to? I doubt that you really cared, you just seem to have a vendetta against Seb and anyone who's on mildly friendly terms with him. It's not as if he said "I hate all blacks" (which you'll probably decide is me being offensive now :rolleyes:) is it, just a tounge in cheek comment. Nobody cared at the time.

Your good friend TicToc, however, is prone to making some geniunely offensive racial slurs about Dutch people.

What point are you trying to make? You think we'll just turn around and say "Oh yeah, you're right, Seb's a complete wanker and he should get right off this forum now. Long live our glorious liberator TicToc and his merry men."? Get a fucking grip.