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Ferret 02-26-2010 01:41 AM

Miss Fourth Of July
 
This is probably one of my favourite songs by the band, I'm thinking now as I listen to it. Certainly one of their best ballads. The harmonies are great (though obviously Jon and Richie have nothing on Seb and I :p ) and I love the accordion on it. Great solo too.

Should've made Keep The Faith (if it was indeed recorded for that album)! Who needs I Want You (although everyone should check out the Bob Dylan song of the same name, incidentally), this would have been a great addition to the album. Sadly lost something live on the LH Tour because of Poncho's ****ing violin solo.

Top tune. Discuss.

Crushgen24/88 02-26-2010 01:49 AM

Funny you bring it up, I was just listening to it earlier. One of my favorite tracks on the Box Set. I agree about the beautiful harmonies, and I love melancholy nature of the song.

mrleaf 02-26-2010 01:53 AM

A true gem it is,who knows they might fit it in during the circle tour esp around the something for the pain section with the lads and dave on accordian

Rob 02-26-2010 02:09 AM

Yeah it's a good song. Am I right in thinking it was a KTF outtake? They wrote so many awesome songs for that album. Any outtake from back then totally wipes the floor with the post 2000 stuff.

Goldsausage 02-26-2010 12:18 PM

Y'know, I've never been able to get into this song.

I would say it's damn right boring, but I love Maybe Someday so who knows what' up...

Sami 02-26-2010 09:18 PM

Brilliant song, absolutely should have been on Keep The Faith. It could have replaced any of the songs on the latter half of the album. Unbelievable it wasnīt used back then. For me, itīs better than Bed Of Roses.

Bleeding Purist 02-26-2010 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldsausage (Post 974283)
Y'know, I've never been able to get into this song.

I would say it's damn right boring, but I love Maybe Someday so who knows what' up...

It has to be the right time. I love the song.... great lyrics and harmonies, but I can easily find it boring if I hear it when I'm in a mood that doesn't fit that. Laid back and melancholy would be called for. Next time you are doing a break up...pull this up.

I haven't listened to it in a while.

Captmorgs 02-27-2010 01:12 AM

Completely agree this a great song that should have made the record. Would be an excellent choice for the acoustic set out on "the circle." Check out the version live from Atlantic City (2004). Incredible harmonies.


jovigirloz 02-27-2010 09:38 AM

Love it, love it, love it!!
Having that "break" was the best thing for the band at the time (KTF). It really brought them back with some wonderful material.

Spidey5150 02-28-2010 07:01 PM

I love this song as well - i know it obviously wasn't written for Bounce but i feel as if it would fit perfectly on that album = maybe in the place of "Joey" - je ne sais pas

Captain Walrus 03-05-2010 12:26 AM

It's a pretty good song, but it's never been one of my favourites off the boxset. I like the verses (especially the "for the night I just watched as you walked out of here" line) and the bridges, but the chorus just lacks something IMO. The accordion is an interesting touch though.

mrleaf 03-30-2010 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by mrleaf (Post 974203)
A true gem it is,who knows they might fit it in during the circle tour esp around the something for the pain section with the lads and dave on accordian

And next up i predict -stick to your guns

Matrix15 03-30-2010 01:29 AM

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Originally Posted by mrleaf (Post 981148)
And next up i predict -stick to your guns

By coincidence I was just listening to that!

Javier 03-30-2010 04:13 AM

I was just watching the performance on the HAND dual disc. I love the song so much, the lyrics really hold a special place in my heart, sappy I know but I'm really passionate about this song. I'll defend it till the day I die and I've covered it twice live.

Simon 03-30-2010 05:27 PM

In all humble honesty, I never understood why people (and the band itself) praise that song so much. It's just dragging and boring, and therefore annoying. I like the lyrical idea, but that's about it. Actually one of my least favourites from the Boxset... and by no means something that should've replaced anything on KTF.

kenobi_on_a_prayer 03-30-2010 07:21 PM

Great song, I love pretty much that whole first disc on the box set though.

milomom 03-30-2010 08:23 PM

I absolutely love Miss Fourth, and I've been lucky enough to hear it live twice now. IMO, it isn't a typical Jovi song, and I really can't see it fitting on KTF. (It's always had more of a TD feel to me, although I know that wasn't when it was written.) I was thrilled to hear it on Saturday night and thought Jon & Richie's vocals were stunning. I can't stop listening to it, and I get chills every time I do. This is just the kind of bone that I think they can throw to the diehards on a nightly basis. They did it both nights at Mohegan Sun (NSG on Friday), and because of that, I forgive them for doing Capt. Crash at both shows. ;)

Kathleen 03-30-2010 08:58 PM

Terri - did you ever listen to Jon's speech at the Borgata box set show about the "grey summer". There were a bunch of songs written then and this was one of them. We've had several discussions about this here and obviously can't pinpoint if it's the summer of 91 or the summer of 92 but we did come up with what we thought were the songs written during that time.

Dry County
Fields of Fire
Love Ain't Nothin' but a Four Letter Word
Why Aren't You Dead
Starting All Over Again
Every Beat of My Heart
Radio
Taking it Back
Miss Fourth of July
Outlaws of Love
Billy
Bed of Roses
Fear
The Sole Truth

milomom 03-30-2010 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 981319)
Terri - did you ever listen to Jon's speech at the Borgata box set show about the "grey summer". There were a bunch of songs written then and this was one of them. We've had several discussions about this here and obviously can't pinpoint if it's the summer of 91 or the summer of 92 but we did come up with what we thought were the songs written during that time.

Fields of Fire
Love Ain't Nothin' but a Four Letter Word
Why Aren't You Dead
Starting All Over Again
Every Beat of My Heart
Radio
Taking it Back
Miss Fourth of July
OouLaws of Love
Billy
Bed of Roses
Fear
The Sole Truth

Oh yes -- definitely a grey summer song. For some reason, I'm a big fan of most of them. :roll: Jovi could have had their own "Darkness on the Edge of Town" if they'd all made an album. Okay wait, that's my favorite Bruce album. I think I'm seeing a trend here!

Ferret 03-30-2010 09:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 981319)
Terri - did you ever listen to Jon's speech at the Borgata box set show about the "grey summer". There were a bunch of songs written then and this was one of them. We've had several discussions about this here and obviously can't pinpoint if it's the summer of 91 or the summer of 92 but we did come up with what we thought were the songs written during that time.

Fields of Fire
Love Ain't Nothin' but a Four Letter Word
Why Aren't You Dead
Starting All Over Again
Every Beat of My Heart
Radio
Taking it Back
Miss Fourth of July
OouLaws of Love
Billy
Bed of Roses
Fear
The Sole Truth

Wish Jon had made an album with or without the band in his grey period. I think the fact he was down as **** was making his songs even better, like Neil Young's "Ditch Trilogy". Would have been awesome.

Kathleen 03-30-2010 09:23 PM

It IS odd that most of us die hards really like these songs. As we all know, most casual fans like the hairband hits and not much else. I had a conversation with a guy who is plenty old enough to know better (and a Bruce fan) and he says that Jon plays too much new stuff on this tour :roll: go figure.

I agree with Jack - an album like that would have been awesome. However enough songs made it on to the box set that we have a good representation (I think).

However many people here think that These Days is dark and depressing. I don't imagine a grey summer album would appeal to them either.

Crushgen24/88 03-30-2010 09:27 PM

I always thought songs like "Taking it Back", "Starting All Over Again", and "Why Aren't You Dead" were Post-Grey Summer?

And for what it's worth, Darkness still has "Badlands" and "The Promised Land" which are somewhat optimistic songs.

Goldsausage 03-30-2010 10:34 PM

What the hell is all this grey summer talk? Did I miss something?

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Originally Posted by Crushgen24/88 (Post 981326)
And for what it's worth, Darkness still has "Badlands" and "The Promised Land" which are somewhat optimistic songs.

Okay I gotta get it out there because it's been on my mind for months - doesn't Badlands sound like it could have been perfect on Born To Run? Both lyrically and musically.

Luckily it wasn't, because that album's at a perfect length and another Thunder Road/Born To Run on that album would have been overkill.

Iceman 03-30-2010 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 981324)
However many people here think that These Days is dark and depressing. I don't imagine a grey summer album would appeal to them either.

The thing is, these songs aren't depressing. There's no hope in most of the songs on TD, most of these are positive and full of hope. I love most songs on your list and I hardly listen to TD.

Ice

Dawn 03-31-2010 01:32 AM

I really like it to :D

Savvi 03-31-2010 11:20 AM

Gee am i the only one who hates this song? I'll give it another listen now to see if I missed something.

Thunderstrucker 03-31-2010 01:32 PM

Keeps on dragging and dragging. You are not alone Savvi though I don't hate it but it ain't my favorite either.

I salute you,
TS

sebcfc 03-31-2010 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Simon (Post 981293)
In all humble honesty, I never understood why people (and the band itself) praise that song so much. It's just dragging and boring, and therefore annoying. I like the lyrical idea, but that's about it. Actually one of my least favourites from the Boxset... and by no means something that should've replaced anything on KTF.

I feel the same

Thunderstrucker 03-31-2010 02:53 PM

Amen to that :cool:

I salute you,
TS

Avantasian 03-31-2010 03:02 PM

I might be wrong in believing this, but I always considered Dry County a grey summer song, too.

TheseDays2005 03-31-2010 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Avantasian (Post 981441)
I might be wrong in believing this, but I always considered Dry County a grey summer song, too.

It is, Jon did several speeches before the song in 93 & 95 and mentioned that. I was suprised it wasn't on Kathleen's list on the 1st page....

Kathleen 04-01-2010 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TheseDays2005 (Post 981519)
It is, Jon did several speeches before the song in 93 & 95 and mentioned that. I was suprised it wasn't on Kathleen's list on the 1st page....

I'm putting it on right now - I copied that list from an old thread that we had that tried to list all the grey summer songs.

Savvi 04-01-2010 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Goldsausage (Post 981349)
What the hell is all this grey summer talk? Did I miss something?

It was after the release of their third album in 1986, Slippery When Wet, which included the hit Livin' On A Prayer, that the band reached stratospheric heights and although their success continued, by 1991 the pressure took its toll.

"I had a crisis of some description," he (Jon) says. "It was to do with the music business. There's a reason why it's called a 'business'. I questioned it.

"We were driving along the Pacific Coast Highway one time and I was in the passenger seat thinking I was just going to throw myself out of the car.

"I went to see a shrink but was late for my appointment and so he told me my time was up and I thought to myself: 'Well, I'll just have to get over this in my own time.' I call that period my 'Grey Summer'. It lasted about two years.


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