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Bollocks. Deliberate handball in the box ... punished with red card and penalty. Everything went according to the rules. No idea what you guys are talking about. Cheating? No, that wasn't cheating. Manuel Neuer seeing it was a goal and not admitting it, that's cheating. Tevez scoring although he knew he was 2m off side. That was cheating. Getting away with breaking the rules, that's cheating. No one got away with it in the game last night. And rightfully, Suarez is a hero and Gyan isn't. Sometimes, you just have to break the rules. All great champions did it. From Michael Schumacher to Senna, from Maradona to Thierry Henry. Suarez even paid for it, so just get over it already.

And bring it on Germany today. Sorry Vanessa!! :D It's just that, Martin Demichelis alone is simply not enough Bayern players for me to support Argentina.

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Originally Posted by RS8MB0R8 (Post 1002473)

It was shocking and blatant cheating. To say any other player would have done the same thing doesn't make it right. The game was a great battle to watch and for it to be settled by a sickening act like that... I hope Uruguay get f*cking stuffed by Holland! Even if they don't and manage to get to the final, Suarez should be banned for that as well.

Sending someone off and giving a penalty may be 'almost' balancing the circumstances out if there's still a fair chunk of the game left to play but it was the last kick of the ball before pens so effectively saying a penalty alone compensates for a winning goal? No it doesn't!!

In rugby, if something like that happens, the attacking team gets a penalty try. In that situation in football, the only fair decision would be to award a penalty goal (even though I know they can't because there's no such thing!).

An absolute joke and Ghana can feel genuinely robbed. Desailly has been supporting Ghana since day 1 so to say the commentary was biased is silly. They reacted the way they did because anyone barring the most blinded of Uruguayan fans would admit it was an appalling display of dishonesty and cheating. Uruguay didn't deserve to go through in the same way that France didn't deserve to qualify for the tournament at all.

C'mon Holland. I said they'd win it before the comp started and hopefully they'll now brush aside Uruguay before meeting Spain in the final. My money's on Germany today as well cos I think they'll wind the Argentines up and the frustration will play right into their hands.

He did on the spur of the moment and I didnt say it was right, I just said any player would do the same. Theres been plenty of this through the years of football so why all of a sudden should one player be banned for longer than FIFA rules state, just because the underdogs have been knocked. The decision shouldnt be based on the importance of the game .
Btw, has anyone called for Harry Kewell a dirty and blatant cheat when he handled on the line against Ghana and has anyone called for a longer ban for Kewell? No? Maybe because Ghana won that game? Can we really make rules up to suit.
Statement from FIFA:
Fifa's disciplinary code gives the committee the option of a longer ban for "unsportsmanlike conduct".
It may find his action was contrary to the fair play code which states: "Winning is without value if victory has been achieved unfairly or dishonestly. Cheating is easy, but brings no pleasure."
Talk about hypocrites, they didnt release this when Henry ****ed ROI over did they?

Well done Germany. I am gutted of course but Germany deserved it. I know if it hadn't been today, we'd have lost in the next one against Spain or Paraguay. Anyway...wow...I've never felt so upset in a long time. Thank you Messi for not showing up for the match...in none of them imo!

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1002482)

The difference is Gyan kept his dignity whereas Suarez didn't. If you'd rather be a winner but an immoral cheat rather than a battling, fair-playing loser then I pity you. The real heroes got knocked out last night.

Any champion that admits to cheating in order to win is not great by any stretch of the imagination. The rules are there for a reason but we all know that the rules are black and white whereas nothing in football (or life) is. The Tevez incident against Mexico outlined just how pathetic the so-called 'rules' are!

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Originally Posted by RS8MB0R8 (Post 1002530)

Oh, please don't pity me. Turn off the "cheese" button. Suarez will become one of the greatest players in the world in a matter of a few years (had Ribery not extended his contract, he would have replaced him at Bayern). Gyan will go down as the guy who missed the penalty who could have put an African side in the semifinals of a world cup, for the first time. That simple. Not to mention that Uruguay should have taken the game home in the first half already anyhow.

Now back to GERMANY. Well done boys. It's such a joy to watch them because they play 1:1 identical football to Bayern Munich. Oezil is playing Robben's role but everything else is the same. The ball handling and passing, the counter-attacks, the determination and team-spirit. Luckily, there is no Inter-Milan left in the competition. But boy, Del Bosque should ring up Mourinho and ask how Inter did it.

BAAAAAAAAYEEEERN!

Schweinsteiger: best player of the world cup so far. If they make it to the final, he should get it. And that's Germany's 12th ever semi-final. How impressive is that?

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Originally Posted by RS8MB0R8 (Post 1002530)

Just out of curiousity who are your favourite teams (domestic and international) and players?

Domestically, it's Man Utd and internationally it's England (because I'm English) but I am not a blind follower of either and fully realise that both are far from saints.

The difference is that, had it been Rooney on the line hand-balling it for either club or country, I would despise him for it just as much as I do Suarez and any victory that followed would feel extremely hollow.

I don't change my appreciation of the difference between right and wrong based on the emblem on a player's shirt. I have been at a game at Old Trafford where Ronaldo has done one of his trademark dives right in front of where I've been sitting and I have got up and berated him for it. I can't stand it, whether it's for a team I'm supporting or against them. Cheating is unacceptable and indefensible in any situation. These are supposed to be professionals but there wasn't any professionalism associated with how Suarez conducted himself at the end of that game.

The problems with dishonesty at the highest level is that, all the while players/teams get away with it (and Uruguay did - Ghana would have won before pens otherwise), what message does that send out to youngsters aspiring to their 'heroes'?

It's a complete farce. A circus conducted on the grandest stage and, unless it's my grumpiness getting the better of me in my old age (:D), it's only getting worse as years go by.

So, 3/4 teams from Europe! Old lady is still the best. ;)

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Originally Posted by VanJovi (Post 1002509)

Sorry you lost but i thought Germany would win. I honestly think my feelings at the beginning of the tornment were right and Germany will win.

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Originally Posted by UKjovi (Post 1002577)

Sorry you lost but i thought Germany would win. I honestly think my feelings at the beginning of the tornment were right and Germany will win.

Thanks Russ. I know I know. It is just so difficult to digest because for a moment - brief one tho - I had some hopes. I, like many Argentinians, never believed in Maradona as a coach. He's got the spirit and motivation he had as a player but that's not enough. He wanted to do something with the players we always doubted, making them play in different positions and so on. I'm gutted but this will serve as a lesson.

Germany looks really fit and the best so far, but I can never support them. I love football, I was raised in this atmosphere thanks to my dad, and can appreciate a good match and team. I'll have to support Spain and/or Uruguay but unless there is a miracle, it will be Holland all the way.