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Originally Posted by Supersonic (Post 1047755)

Aloha !

How is it reliable to play without key members? I say postponing a show to give one the full package is actually more reliable than just going ahead and giving one a show one hasn't paid for.

That's where we disagree. I say showing up where and WHEN you say you're going to is being reliable. Richie's not being reliable right now, but the rest of the band are.

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Originally Posted by milomom (Post 1047710)

I don't appreciate being told that I'm either stupid or ridiculous if I choose to stay home from shows if Richie isn't going to be there for an extended period of time. I've said that I'm going to give it a chance at the Atlanta show. But if it doesn't do it for me - if it isn't BON JOVI to me, should I really drive from Atlanta to Memphis, then drive from Memphis to St. Louis, then fly from St. Louis to Milwaukee, then ride from Milwaukee back to St. Louis, and then drive from St. Louis back to Atlanta (all in less than 5 days) to see 3 shows that are likely to leave me filled with regret? As I see it, that's what would be stupid or ridiculous. Some of you might have thought doing all that was ridiculous even when the whole band was going to be there, but it was something I was excited to do and was looking forward to. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe when I see the show in Atlanta it won't be as lacking as I think it will be. If that's the case, I'll put gas in the van and head out. But if not and I stay home, I don't think anyone has the right to judge me or tell me that I'm not a "real fan" or not supportive of the rest of the guys or any of the other things I've seen here and elsewhere.

Clearly the decision to go or not is going to be a very personal one and will be different for everyone. I'm not going to tell any of the rest of you what to do, nor am I going to judge you for what you might decide. Please try to have a little respect for the choices that I and other members of this board make, too.

I have friends on the rail in New Orleans today, and I have one friend who went on the trip with her friends but has opted not to go to the show. She has more shows coming up and is going to give it a try, but she wasn't ready to do it today. The choice she made might feel wrong to you, but it's what felt right to her. Could we just give each other a bit of a break?

I'm sorry that someone told you that you were either stupid or ridiculous regarding the choices that you will eventually make concerning the upcoming shows. Clearly, neither of those words describe you, in any way.

And, ditto to what you said about, "Could we just give each other a bit of a break?"

I'll be at ATL - found out where - hubby got tix in the pit - see my other posts on this thread.

I feel very sad for hubby, he was so excited about this "surprise anniversary gift" and he has become such a huge fan of Richie - it just makes me sick, but I, like you, will give ATL a chance, afraid we don't have any other choice, at this point.

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Originally Posted by milomom (Post 1047595)

Quite honestly, no. This is actually something that Kathleen and I discussed after the first weekend of shows that I went to this year. I knew things weren't right with Richie, and I had this feeling that I knew how Bon Jovi could end. Richie implodes, David goes to Broadway permanently, Tico retires to the beach to make art, play golf and sell pricey baby goods and Jon goes solo . . . or to the NFL and philanthropy. I'm not trying to imply that Richie's holding Jovi together or that they're staying together for him. Just that a Richie crisis would be the catalyst that caused them to go their separate ways to pursue the diverse interests that they've acquired over the years they've been together. The thing is, Richie needs to find a passion to sustain him as the other guys have. I'm not convinced that WTB is it.

I've had almost those exact same thoughts. (I just want my tix money refunded before this happens and if that sounds "selfish" then it is what it is.)

:(

Considering Jon is such a cold and calculated businessman, it is shocking that he hasn't shit canned Richie already for being such an unreliable employee. At this point we know the band doesn't need the money. I agree with Deb that there are a TON of other people involved that are relying on this tour, and they do need the money. I don't think that Jon making the decision to support them is cold and calculated in the least. The great thing is that as ticket holders, we have the right to choose not to go without Richie being there if we so desire.

I keep seeing postpone the shows until Richie is better....... postpone them until when??? It's a pretty safe bet Jon and David both have made commitments after July, the crew is only under contract until July 31 and most have probably already booked in for other tours, shows etc and are the venues even available??
And in all honesty, should all the other people in the band rearrange their whole lives for the next months in order to accomodate Richie's addiction?? That kind of seems like enabling it to me.

I think this whole thing is difficult for everyone, including and maybe especially the band. I don't think there were any good choices to be made here, just different degrees of bad ones. I think Jon made the one he felt was best for the most, knowing and understanding that there were going to be some very disappointed and some even angry at him for the decision. BJ have never been ones to cancel anything unless there just wasn't an option, and it seems they aren't going to start now.

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1047746)

What makes you think that? I don't pay enough attention to the Stones or U2 to know how they are about canceling shows. Do they have a history of canceling shows? I've been a Bon Jovi fan long enough to know that they show up when they say they're going to show up. I remember Dave playing when his father died and Jon playing with a bad back and hurt leg and they've all been sick for shows. One reason fans will make plans to travel to see this band is that they're reliable. I suspect that if the Stones and U2 are generally as reliable as Bon Jovi has been, they would play without key members too.

The past. U2 and also the Stones cancelled shows because a band member was ill.

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1047746)

I suspect that if the Stones and U2 are generally as reliable as Bon Jovi has been, they would play without key members too.

U2 have. They played a show without Adam Clayton, their bass player. I don't know what they would do if it was The Edge but luckily for Bono, the Edge has never put him through this. Richie has done this to Jon, two times.

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Originally Posted by Mousebounce (Post 1047764)

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No you can't choose. Your money is wasted either way.

I don't mean to put anyone down, but so many of you are talking as if this type of thing hasn't to happened to other bands before. It has, they postpone, and life goes on. And guess what - If this road crew is busy, they're a lot easier replaced than Richie Sambora.

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Originally Posted by Sambo-Chris (Post 1047785)

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No you can't choose. Your money is wasted either way.

You can sell your ticket. I doubt you will take a loss.