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Captain_jovi 05-10-2021 06:44 PM

You could write a book on pop songs with G-D-C, I don't think it means they're ripping each other off. I never bought Say it Isn't So as a Third Eye Blind rip-off either, it's just a real common chord structure in pop music.

James_86 07-06-2021 05:58 PM

I've only just realised how much Next 100 Years sounds like Champagne Supernova. How have I missed this for so long?!

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Captain_jovi 07-06-2021 06:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274605)
I've only just realised how much Next 100 Years sounds like Champagne Supernova. How have I missed this for so long?!

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N100Y always reminded me more of All Around The World.


James_86 07-06-2021 07:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1274606)
N100Y always reminded me more of All Around The World.




I should have clarified that I was referring more to the extended outro/jam being similar to Champagne Supernova, albeit faster.

But yeah, having listened to the above I would agree that the main body of N100Y has definitely been influenced by it.

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blazeofglory 07-06-2021 07:29 PM

Anyone ever noticed that No Apologies kinda sounds like A Dustland Fairytale? Especially the beginning of the first verse.

Litneg 07-06-2021 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazeofglory (Post 1274609)
Anyone ever noticed that No Apologies kinda sounds like A Dustland Fairytale? Especially the beginning of the first verse.

I knew it looked familiar! Lol

Captain_jovi 07-06-2021 08:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274608)
I should have clarified that I was referring more to the extended outro/jam being similar to Champagne Supernova, albeit faster.

But yeah, having listened to the above I would agree that the main body of N100Y has definitely been influenced by it.

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Oh wow, just listened to that part, yeah you're right.

bonjovi90 07-07-2021 01:12 AM

I guess one could say that Crush had "a lot of inspiration". :mrgreen:

Jonny Sambora 07-07-2021 10:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274608)
I should have clarified that I was referring more to the extended outro/jam being similar to Champagne Supernova, albeit faster.

But yeah, having listened to the above I would agree that the main body of N100Y has definitely been influenced by it.

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yip and captain crash is a complete rip off of stay young by oasis.

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GreeneSally 07-07-2021 02:16 PM

Hi, the list is so suggestive I'm even embarrassed for him!!

Sami 07-20-2021 01:27 PM

I was just reading old posts on this thread … Kinda fascinating.

Did anyone mention Living In Sin / George Michael’s Father Figure (verses only)?

And the beginning of the verse of IBTFY is very close to Don’t Let Me Down by The Beatles.

But I guess these two have been discussed before, though.


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Sami 07-20-2021 01:59 PM

Sorry if this have been mentioned on this board earlier, too. And this has of course nothing to do with BJ copying other songs.

But it’s hilarious how Ava Max’s Kings and Queens is a complete rewrite of Bad Name (chorus). (Or should I say Bonnie Tyler’s If You Were A Woman). I think I read somewhere that Desmond Child was added as a songwriter only later on.


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Dave 1986 07-21-2021 10:14 PM

Jon Bon Jovi and the songs he cleverly stole from others.
 
A very minor similarity but the harmonica in “Learning How to Fall” is very similar to that of Alanis Morissette's “Hand in My Pocket”.


Noticed this about 15 years ago but only got reminded of it after hearing the latter recently.

Captain_jovi 07-21-2021 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave 1986 (Post 1274818)
A very minor similarity but the harmonica in “Learning How to Fall” is very similar to that of Alanis Morissette’s “Hand in My Pocket”.

Noticed this about 15 years ago but only got reminded of it after hearing the latter recently.

Oh biiiiiig time agreed.

Walleris 07-22-2021 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sami (Post 1274806)

And the beginning of the verse of IBTFY is very close to Don’t Let Me Down by The Beatles.

As a big fan of both, I feel really stupid for never picking up on this.

I feel like this was one of the more blatant ones, especially given what Beatles meant to Jon and Richie, there's no way they did not know the song when writing IBTFY.

Faceman 07-22-2021 03:34 PM

There are even rumours that they didn't even wrote I'll Be There For You.
A couple of years ago that was already discussed somewhere around here.

https://sleazeroxx.com/another-music...of-plagiarism/

ANOTHER MUSICIAN ACCUSES BON JOVI OF PLAGIARISM:

August 10, 2008

After posting a report by Chris Faraone of Boston Magazine in which Bart Steele accused Bon Jovi of ripping off one of his songs, Sleaze Roxx received an email from former Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones vocalist Joel Ellis claiming that a similar thing happened to him. Joel’s email can be read in its entirety below:

“It was back in the 1980’s when Denny Holan and I were recording our pre-production demos for Atlantic Records with Merri Hoaxx. We had just finished tracking a studio session that included our original song “I’ll Be There For You”. We left Paramount Studios in Hollywood with a cassette tape of rough mixes and headed straight for The Rainbow Bar & Grill on Sunset. When we got there we gave the tape to Michael to put on the Bar’s sound system, it was the classic “Is It Worthy” test for demos and mixes that a lot of bands used to gage their nights work. We’d always pop on the song and listen for the sounds then we would watch to see if people were digging the songs. The place was definitely digging the songs that night.

I ran into Sam Kinison who asked me to come back to his table and hang out. So while our tape was playing, we sat at the table in the back with Sam, Jon Bon Jovi, Peter Aykroyd (Dan’s brother) and Doc McGee, etc… Johnny gave us this line of BS that if we gave him this tape he would take it to his uncle at Polydor Records and try to get us out on tour with him.

I somehow felt like I was going to regret that, but we agreed to take a chance and trust him, so we gave Jon Bon Jovi the cassette that night and we never heard back from him. A short time later we heard the chorus for our song “I’ll be theeerrre for youuuu” as JBJs next big hit. My manager at the time wanted to sue his ass but we were doing well and were very busy with all the Atlantic developments going on that I didn’t want to cause problems for our momentum that we had going at the time. I hated when people would note the resemblance between Jon Bon Jovi and me at the time and I didn’t want to give the world any other reasons to compare me to the Golden Boy Johnny. We were in no way similar to each other and strongly resented any comparison…I wasn’t pop singer, I was a rock singer and I wasn’t a self righteous frosted hair perm boy with relatives who paved my way so I could steal songs from real artists and get rich off of ripping them off. I was a self made true rocker from the streets to the stage to the studio to the stores, with no help from daddy’s friends & relatives and we rocked without the posing. Whatever successes or short comings I had were of my own making, but it was real. So I didn’t care about that song.

Later on during the Heavy Bones days, I was dating a girl named Lehua Reid, who was previously engaged to Richie Sambora. While she lived at Richie’s house, she told me about how she remembered the nights that Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora would sit at Richie’s piano with boxes full of tapes they had collected from trusting aspiring musicians who trusted them with their creations for a shot at success, how they would play through tape after tape looking for catchy songs to rip off all the while laughing at the suckers who gave them their tapes. When she heard my demo recording of “I’ll Be There For You” she sat back, eyes wide open, saying “NO WAY!!! This is YOU??”, and went on to tell me about the night that they were so excited to be ripping off this song and how Johnny had always wanted an excuse to rip off John Lennon for his vocal in the verse of “Don’t Let Me Down” by the Beatles. They worked on that song for hours playing my demo over and over again and it stuck in her head.

Of course I had already known where their recent huge hit single had come from but hearing her tell that story was like salt in the wound…I’ve always felt that people should know about this and I still have the original demo. If anyone in the world wants to hear it I’ll be happy to put an Mpeg up on my website so they can hear it too.

I wonder how many other guys are out there right now feeling the same burn from the Golden Boy Jon Bon Jovi and his trusty side kick Richie Rich.”

Sincerely,
Joel Ellis of Merri Hoaxx, Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones.

Courtesy of www.sleazeroxx.com

Rdkopper 07-22-2021 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1274826)
There are even rumours that they didn't even wrote I'll Be There For You.

A couple of years ago that was already discussed somewhere around here.



https://sleazeroxx.com/another-music...of-plagiarism/



ANOTHER MUSICIAN ACCUSES BON JOVI OF PLAGIARISM:



August 10, 2008



After posting a report by Chris Faraone of Boston Magazine in which Bart Steele accused Bon Jovi of ripping off one of his songs, Sleaze Roxx received an email from former Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones vocalist Joel Ellis claiming that a similar thing happened to him. Joel’s email can be read in its entirety below:



“It was back in the 1980’s when Denny Holan and I were recording our pre-production demos for Atlantic Records with Merri Hoaxx. We had just finished tracking a studio session that included our original song “I’ll Be There For You”. We left Paramount Studios in Hollywood with a cassette tape of rough mixes and headed straight for The Rainbow Bar & Grill on Sunset. When we got there we gave the tape to Michael to put on the Bar’s sound system, it was the classic “Is It Worthy” test for demos and mixes that a lot of bands used to gage their nights work. We’d always pop on the song and listen for the sounds then we would watch to see if people were digging the songs. The place was definitely digging the songs that night.



I ran into Sam Kinison who asked me to come back to his table and hang out. So while our tape was playing, we sat at the table in the back with Sam, Jon Bon Jovi, Peter Aykroyd (Dan’s brother) and Doc McGee, etc… Johnny gave us this line of BS that if we gave him this tape he would take it to his uncle at Polydor Records and try to get us out on tour with him.



I somehow felt like I was going to regret that, but we agreed to take a chance and trust him, so we gave Jon Bon Jovi the cassette that night and we never heard back from him. A short time later we heard the chorus for our song “I’ll be theeerrre for youuuu” as JBJs next big hit. My manager at the time wanted to sue his ass but we were doing well and were very busy with all the Atlantic developments going on that I didn’t want to cause problems for our momentum that we had going at the time. I hated when people would note the resemblance between Jon Bon Jovi and me at the time and I didn’t want to give the world any other reasons to compare me to the Golden Boy Johnny. We were in no way similar to each other and strongly resented any comparison…I wasn’t pop singer, I was a rock singer and I wasn’t a self righteous frosted hair perm boy with relatives who paved my way so I could steal songs from real artists and get rich off of ripping them off. I was a self made true rocker from the streets to the stage to the studio to the stores, with no help from daddy’s friends & relatives and we rocked without the posing. Whatever successes or short comings I had were of my own making, but it was real. So I didn’t care about that song.



Later on during the Heavy Bones days, I was dating a girl named Lehua Reid, who was previously engaged to Richie Sambora. While she lived at Richie’s house, she told me about how she remembered the nights that Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora would sit at Richie’s piano with boxes full of tapes they had collected from trusting aspiring musicians who trusted them with their creations for a shot at success, how they would play through tape after tape looking for catchy songs to rip off all the while laughing at the suckers who gave them their tapes. When she heard my demo recording of “I’ll Be There For You” she sat back, eyes wide open, saying “NO WAY!!! This is YOU??”, and went on to tell me about the night that they were so excited to be ripping off this song and how Johnny had always wanted an excuse to rip off John Lennon for his vocal in the verse of “Don’t Let Me Down” by the Beatles. They worked on that song for hours playing my demo over and over again and it stuck in her head.



Of course I had already known where their recent huge hit single had come from but hearing her tell that story was like salt in the wound…I’ve always felt that people should know about this and I still have the original demo. If anyone in the world wants to hear it I’ll be happy to put an Mpeg up on my website so they can hear it too.



I wonder how many other guys are out there right now feeling the same burn from the Golden Boy Jon Bon Jovi and his trusty side kick Richie Rich.”



Sincerely,

Joel Ellis of Merri Hoaxx, Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones.



Courtesy of www.sleazeroxx.com

Wow...Great find!!! I feel like this happens a lot in the overall industry.

I'd love to hear the original to compare... I always thought this came more from Richie and after reading this, I can kinda see why Jon never tells stories about this song like he does BOR or Always.

One things that can't be denied is Jon's vocal delivery.





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Nige 07-22-2021 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1274826)
There are even rumours that they didn't even wrote I'll Be There For You.
A couple of years ago that was already discussed somewhere around here.

https://sleazeroxx.com/another-music...of-plagiarism/

ANOTHER MUSICIAN ACCUSES BON JOVI OF PLAGIARISM:

August 10, 2008

After posting a report by Chris Faraone of Boston Magazine in which Bart Steele accused Bon Jovi of ripping off one of his songs, Sleaze Roxx received an email from former Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones vocalist Joel Ellis claiming that a similar thing happened to him. Joel’s email can be read in its entirety below:

“It was back in the 1980’s when Denny Holan and I were recording our pre-production demos for Atlantic Records with Merri Hoaxx. We had just finished tracking a studio session that included our original song “I’ll Be There For You”. We left Paramount Studios in Hollywood with a cassette tape of rough mixes and headed straight for The Rainbow Bar & Grill on Sunset. When we got there we gave the tape to Michael to put on the Bar’s sound system, it was the classic “Is It Worthy” test for demos and mixes that a lot of bands used to gage their nights work. We’d always pop on the song and listen for the sounds then we would watch to see if people were digging the songs. The place was definitely digging the songs that night.

I ran into Sam Kinison who asked me to come back to his table and hang out. So while our tape was playing, we sat at the table in the back with Sam, Jon Bon Jovi, Peter Aykroyd (Dan’s brother) and Doc McGee, etc… Johnny gave us this line of BS that if we gave him this tape he would take it to his uncle at Polydor Records and try to get us out on tour with him.

I somehow felt like I was going to regret that, but we agreed to take a chance and trust him, so we gave Jon Bon Jovi the cassette that night and we never heard back from him. A short time later we heard the chorus for our song “I’ll be theeerrre for youuuu” as JBJs next big hit. My manager at the time wanted to sue his ass but we were doing well and were very busy with all the Atlantic developments going on that I didn’t want to cause problems for our momentum that we had going at the time. I hated when people would note the resemblance between Jon Bon Jovi and me at the time and I didn’t want to give the world any other reasons to compare me to the Golden Boy Johnny. We were in no way similar to each other and strongly resented any comparison…I wasn’t pop singer, I was a rock singer and I wasn’t a self righteous frosted hair perm boy with relatives who paved my way so I could steal songs from real artists and get rich off of ripping them off. I was a self made true rocker from the streets to the stage to the studio to the stores, with no help from daddy’s friends & relatives and we rocked without the posing. Whatever successes or short comings I had were of my own making, but it was real. So I didn’t care about that song.

Later on during the Heavy Bones days, I was dating a girl named Lehua Reid, who was previously engaged to Richie Sambora. While she lived at Richie’s house, she told me about how she remembered the nights that Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora would sit at Richie’s piano with boxes full of tapes they had collected from trusting aspiring musicians who trusted them with their creations for a shot at success, how they would play through tape after tape looking for catchy songs to rip off all the while laughing at the suckers who gave them their tapes. When she heard my demo recording of “I’ll Be There For You” she sat back, eyes wide open, saying “NO WAY!!! This is YOU??”, and went on to tell me about the night that they were so excited to be ripping off this song and how Johnny had always wanted an excuse to rip off John Lennon for his vocal in the verse of “Don’t Let Me Down” by the Beatles. They worked on that song for hours playing my demo over and over again and it stuck in her head.

Of course I had already known where their recent huge hit single had come from but hearing her tell that story was like salt in the wound…I’ve always felt that people should know about this and I still have the original demo. If anyone in the world wants to hear it I’ll be happy to put an Mpeg up on my website so they can hear it too.

I wonder how many other guys are out there right now feeling the same burn from the Golden Boy Jon Bon Jovi and his trusty side kick Richie Rich.”

Sincerely,
Joel Ellis of Merri Hoaxx, Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones.

Courtesy of www.sleazeroxx.com

Has anyone actually ever heard his/their version of the song? I find it very hard to believe this story tbh.

Alphavictim 07-22-2021 04:51 PM

I remember that story but never heard that guy's version.

blazeofglory 07-22-2021 05:14 PM

I have a VERY vague memory of that story being debunked at some point, but I can't for the life of me remember where or how it was debunked, so perhaps I'm mixing it up with another story...

Thinny 07-22-2021 05:22 PM

I remember that story too, but I find it really hard to believe that Jon & Richie sat around going through tapes deciding which songs to rip off. If they did they would have had a ridiculous amount of law suits by now. Funny he never sued (his reasonings in the post are poor - as if you wouldn't if you thought you were owed millions of dollars in royalties), or posted his version of the track it seems....

He just sounds like a bitter guy, with a grudge against them for some reason - probably jealousy.

Nige 07-22-2021 06:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1274831)
I remember that story too, but I find it really hard to believe that Jon & Richie sat around going through tapes deciding which songs to rip off. If they did they would have had a ridiculous amount of law suits by now. Funny he never sued (his reasonings in the post are poor - as if you wouldn't if you thought you were owed millions of dollars in royalties), or posted his version of the track it seems....

He just sounds like a bitter guy, with a grudge against them for some reason - probably jealousy.

My guess is that the part about giving them a demo is true, and the rest bogus. At a push they had a song called I'll Be There For You.

manarosi 07-23-2021 06:23 PM

idk if anybody already pointed that out, aren't stuck in a moment by u2 verses pretty similar to those of living in sin? i mean it's A, E repeated the same way pretty much

Dave 1986 07-23-2021 07:00 PM

Jon Bon Jovi and the songs he cleverly stole from others.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by manarosi (Post 1274839)
idk if anybody already pointed that out, aren't stuck in a moment by u2 verses pretty similar to those of living in sin? i mean it's A, E repeated the same way pretty much

It is quite similar but “SiaMYCGOO” was written long after “Livin’ in Sin”. If anything, U2 stole from Bon Jovi there.

manarosi 07-23-2021 07:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave 1986 (Post 1274840)
It is quite similar but “SiAMYCGOO” was written long after “Livin’ in Sin”. If anything, U2 stole from Bon Jovi there.

yeah ofc. Cracked at “SiAMYCGOO” :D:mrgreen:

Captain_jovi 07-23-2021 08:23 PM

Living in Sin, Because We Can, Rich man living...., God Bless This Mess are all surprisingly very similar structure wise too with that similar format. Do What You Can as well I think.

rolo_tomachi 07-23-2021 10:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faceman (Post 1274826)
There are even rumours that they didn't even wrote I'll Be There For You.
A couple of years ago that was already discussed somewhere around here.

https://sleazeroxx.com/another-music...of-plagiarism/

ANOTHER MUSICIAN ACCUSES BON JOVI OF PLAGIARISM:

August 10, 2008

After posting a report by Chris Faraone of Boston Magazine in which Bart Steele accused Bon Jovi of ripping off one of his songs, Sleaze Roxx received an email from former Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones vocalist Joel Ellis claiming that a similar thing happened to him. Joel’s email can be read in its entirety below:

“It was back in the 1980’s when Denny Holan and I were recording our pre-production demos for Atlantic Records with Merri Hoaxx. We had just finished tracking a studio session that included our original song “I’ll Be There For You”. We left Paramount Studios in Hollywood with a cassette tape of rough mixes and headed straight for The Rainbow Bar & Grill on Sunset. When we got there we gave the tape to Michael to put on the Bar’s sound system, it was the classic “Is It Worthy” test for demos and mixes that a lot of bands used to gage their nights work. We’d always pop on the song and listen for the sounds then we would watch to see if people were digging the songs. The place was definitely digging the songs that night.

I ran into Sam Kinison who asked me to come back to his table and hang out. So while our tape was playing, we sat at the table in the back with Sam, Jon Bon Jovi, Peter Aykroyd (Dan’s brother) and Doc McGee, etc… Johnny gave us this line of BS that if we gave him this tape he would take it to his uncle at Polydor Records and try to get us out on tour with him.

I somehow felt like I was going to regret that, but we agreed to take a chance and trust him, so we gave Jon Bon Jovi the cassette that night and we never heard back from him. A short time later we heard the chorus for our song “I’ll be theeerrre for youuuu” as JBJs next big hit. My manager at the time wanted to sue his ass but we were doing well and were very busy with all the Atlantic developments going on that I didn’t want to cause problems for our momentum that we had going at the time. I hated when people would note the resemblance between Jon Bon Jovi and me at the time and I didn’t want to give the world any other reasons to compare me to the Golden Boy Johnny. We were in no way similar to each other and strongly resented any comparison…I wasn’t pop singer, I was a rock singer and I wasn’t a self righteous frosted hair perm boy with relatives who paved my way so I could steal songs from real artists and get rich off of ripping them off. I was a self made true rocker from the streets to the stage to the studio to the stores, with no help from daddy’s friends & relatives and we rocked without the posing. Whatever successes or short comings I had were of my own making, but it was real. So I didn’t care about that song.

Later on during the Heavy Bones days, I was dating a girl named Lehua Reid, who was previously engaged to Richie Sambora. While she lived at Richie’s house, she told me about how she remembered the nights that Jon Bon Jovi and Richie Sambora would sit at Richie’s piano with boxes full of tapes they had collected from trusting aspiring musicians who trusted them with their creations for a shot at success, how they would play through tape after tape looking for catchy songs to rip off all the while laughing at the suckers who gave them their tapes. When she heard my demo recording of “I’ll Be There For You” she sat back, eyes wide open, saying “NO WAY!!! This is YOU??”, and went on to tell me about the night that they were so excited to be ripping off this song and how Johnny had always wanted an excuse to rip off John Lennon for his vocal in the verse of “Don’t Let Me Down” by the Beatles. They worked on that song for hours playing my demo over and over again and it stuck in her head.

Of course I had already known where their recent huge hit single had come from but hearing her tell that story was like salt in the wound…I’ve always felt that people should know about this and I still have the original demo. If anyone in the world wants to hear it I’ll be happy to put an Mpeg up on my website so they can hear it too.

I wonder how many other guys are out there right now feeling the same burn from the Golden Boy Jon Bon Jovi and his trusty side kick Richie Rich.”

Sincerely,
Joel Ellis of Merri Hoaxx, Cats In Boots and Heavy Bones.

Courtesy of www.sleazeroxx.com

Well done Johnny. How naughty are these two guys.

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a6/7c...1fea36dda3.gif



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liljovi93 07-24-2021 08:36 PM

'I Don't Want To Live Forever' intro sounds very similar to Stereophonics 'Local Boy In The Photograph'

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blazeofglory 07-31-2021 11:28 PM

It just hit me that Starting All Over Again kinda sounds like Your Love by The Outfield.

God, this had been bothering me for ages, but my brain never managed to make the connection between the two songs until now.

James_86 08-01-2021 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazeofglory (Post 1274897)
It just hit me that Starting All Over Again kinda sounds like Your Love by The Outfield.



God, this had been bothering me for ages, but my brain never managed to make the connection between the two songs until now.

I love that song by The Outfield and sorry, I just don't see it.

The intro to My Champion by Alter Bridge completely rips off the intro to SAOA though.

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Thinny 08-01-2021 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274899)
I love that song by The Outfield and sorry, I just don't see it.

Nope, not hearing it at all either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274899)
The intro to My Champion by Alter Bridge completely rips off the intro to SAOA though.

Slight co-incidence more than I rip off I expect. I really can't see anyone in AB being aware of SAOA

James_86 08-01-2021 01:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1274900)
Nope, not hearing it at all either.







Slight co-incidence more than I rip off I expect. I really can't see anyone in AB being aware of SAOA

If it's a coincidence, I'd say it's a pretty big one.

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blazeofglory 08-01-2021 02:40 PM

The chorus melody from Starting All Over Again is super similar to the verse melody from Your Love - the rhythm and length of the notes is a bit different, but the melody line is almost the same.

If you play both melodies on the piano (and transpose Starting All Over Again a half step up or Your Love a half step down), you're playing almost the exact same notes in the exact same order.

Thinny 08-01-2021 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274901)
If it's a coincidence, I'd say it's a pretty big one.

It's similar but it's not the same. I love both songs and it hadn't even occured to me until you mentioned it.

Thinny 08-01-2021 07:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blazeofglory (Post 1274902)
The chorus melody from Starting All Over Again is super similar to the verse melody from Your Love - the rhythm and length of the notes is a bit different, but the melody line is almost the same.

If you play both melodies on the piano (and transpose Starting All Over Again a half step up or Your Love a half step down), you're playing almost the exact same notes in the exact same order.

There are only so many notes in the world, it happens all the time. But I don't hear that song and immediately think SAOA at all.

bonjovi90 08-01-2021 08:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1274905)
There are only so many notes in the world, it happens all the time. But I don't hear that song and immediately think SAOA at all.

Not saying they're soundalikes or close to a rip-off but I can hear well how it may have influenced SAOA in a certain way.

James_86 08-01-2021 08:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1274904)
It's similar but it's not the same. I love both songs and it hadn't even occured to me until you mentioned it.

I'll agree to disagree.

I'm not entirely sure I'm convinced it only occurred to you this morning though [emoji23]

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Thinny 08-01-2021 09:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274907)
I'm not entirely sure I'm convinced it only occurred to you this morning though [emoji23]

Not sure I understand? I didn't hear the similarties at all until I read your post. Why would I lie about that?

I think it's a pretty safe bet that neither Tremonti or Myles are Bon Jovi fans and would not be aware of an obscure bonus track...

James_86 08-01-2021 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thinny (Post 1274908)
Not sure I understand? I didn't hear the similarties at all until I read your post. Why would I lie about that?

I think it's a pretty safe bet that neither Tremonti or Myles are Bon Jovi fans and would not be aware of an obscure bonus track...

What I mean is I can't understand how you didn't hear the obvious similarity between the intros of both songs until today. I know things like this can be subjective sometimes but this one hits you right in the face.

I should add that when I said MC was a rip off, I wasn't intending to insinuate the guys in Alter Bridge literally listened to SAOA and went we're going to nick it. Poor choice of words on my part there.

But yeah, I just find it odd you couldn't hear it. Sorry man [emoji2369]

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Thinny 08-02-2021 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by James_86 (Post 1274909)
What I mean is I can't understand how you didn't hear the obvious similarity between the intros of both songs until today. I know things like this can be subjective sometimes but this one hits you right in the face.

I should add that when I said MC was a rip off, I wasn't intending to insinuate the guys in Alter Bridge literally listened to SAOA and went we're going to nick it. Poor choice of words on my part there.

But yeah, I just find it odd you couldn't hear it. Sorry man [emoji2369]

Ok, gotcha. All good.


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