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bjmjpl 08-09-2012 08:17 PM

Pearl Jam Shows Bon Jovi Fan Club How To Do It Again
 
on the heels of the PJ20 Fan Club Only Release wtih 4 Extra Hours of glorious uncompressed, non-limited 24 bit / 96KHz mixes of gorgeours BluRay you have...

what happens when you care about your music and your fans and can still make money...

Pearl Jam, who have released live recordings of most shows dating back to 2000, have teamed up with nugs.net to release every performance from the Seattle rockers’ recent 14-show European Tour through nugs’ LiveDownloads.com portal in a number of formats (CD, MP3, FLAC, ALAC, FLAC-HD and ALAC-HD). Each multi-track recording was mixed by longtime Pearl Jam recording engineer Brett Eliason and have been mastered for CD. For audiophiles, the FLAC-HD and ALAC-HD files are sourced from uncompressed, non-limited 24 bit / 96KHz mixes.



The band will unveil one show each week following yesterday’s release of the first Pearl Jam show of 2012 from the Manchester Arena in Manchester, England on both LiveDownloads.com and PearlJam.com. Also, look for goodies from Pearl Jam’s archives to appear on both sites in the coming months. Pearl Jam has three U.S. festival appearances (Made In America, DeLuna and Music Midtown) as well as a headlining show in Missoula, Montana scheduled for September.

Kathleen 08-09-2012 08:30 PM

I may have to become a Pearl Jam fan just for the bootlegs LOL. How I wish Jovi - or Bruce would do the same.

bjmjpl 08-09-2012 08:36 PM

Apparantly they sound ridiculous - they are priced $5 USD more than the $14.99for regular FLAC..

how I wish they would release albums like this as well....

Kathleen 08-09-2012 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by bjmjpl (Post 1087042)
Apparantly they sound ridiculous - they are priced $5 USD more than the $14.99for regular FLAC..

how I wish they would release albums like this as well....

Wow - that is expensive. But if it were a show that I was at at loved - I would certainly pay it.

MrBrownstone 08-09-2012 10:29 PM

I was at the first night in Manchester so will be downloading this later.

bjmjpl 08-09-2012 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MrBrownstone (Post 1087047)
I was at the first night in Manchester so will be downloading this later.

sweet - you got "come back" which is on my list - nice!

one day from getting a super rare pearl jam song they have never played and premiered the second night of Manchester "Hitchhiker"

Thats how bands should do it....

ticos_stick 08-09-2012 11:03 PM

It's just a pity they aren't that great live huh?

bjmjpl 08-10-2012 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kathleen (Post 1087043)
Wow - that is expensive. But if it were a show that I was at at loved - I would certainly pay it.

think how much money our ceo leaves on the table....

KeepTheFaith2211 08-10-2012 12:28 AM

I love Pearl Jam. I really do. And this is great.

But it's not worth a new thread every single time they do something great. And I don't see why it should be a free shot to bash Bon Jovi. I know this is a forum for Bon Jovi, but not many people do this, so there's no need to keep having a go at them.

bjmjpl 08-10-2012 02:24 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepTheFaith2211 (Post 1087060)
I love Pearl Jam. I really do. And this is great.

But it's not worth a new thread every single time they do something great. And I don't see why it should be a free shot to bash Bon Jovi. I know this is a forum for Bon Jovi, but not many people do this, so there's no need to keep having a go at them.

just trying to share best practices...too many people on here wimp out and say there is no way to do things better and theyre clearly are...and you dont have to sacrifice money, integrity, or art to do them....you just have to care...

Captain_jovi 08-10-2012 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bjmjpl (Post 1087064)
just trying to share best practices...too many people on here wimp out and say there is no way to do things better and theyre clearly are...and you dont have to sacrifice money, integrity, or art to do them....you just have to care...

No, the AUDIENCE has to care, and they don't. You're preaching to the choir, we agree that things should be different.

bjmjpl 08-10-2012 03:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1087065)
No, the AUDIENCE has to care, and they don't. You're preaching to the choir, we agree that things should be different.

i dunno people on here dont even seem to care, they lazily accept the ways things are as the way the have to be....if some of the people on here are too lazy, youre right, what chance to we have that the general audience wont be lazy, and therefore leave us with a lazy band....

i predict a material decline on the next tour if nothing changes...

ticos_stick 08-10-2012 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by bjmjpl (Post 1087066)
i dunno people on here dont even seem to care, they lazily accept the ways things are as the way the have to be....if some of the people on here are too lazy, youre right, what chance to we have that the general audience wont be lazy, and therefore leave us with a lazy band....

i predict a material decline on the next tour if nothing changes...

Say what?

http://drycounty.com/jovitalk/showthread.php?t=54078

TwinFan 08-10-2012 03:32 AM

I don't wanna sound like a total dick, but why the hell is this in the Bon Jovi section (again!)?

Becky 08-10-2012 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1087068)
I don't wanna sound like a total dick, but why the hell is this in the Bon Jovi section (again!)?

You don't sound like a dick. Again, this is not Bon Jovi topic. It's a Pearl Jam topic.

bjmjpl 08-10-2012 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Becky (Post 1087074)
You don't sound like a dick. Again, this is not Bon Jovi topic. It's a Pearl Jam topic.

Again it is not...it is a look at what this band does - wouldnt it be a good idea for bon jovi, the fanclub, etc....

try to have an open mind - is the board too cluttered these days with relevant topics?? :)

bjmjpl 08-10-2012 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1087067)

good point - as i said - some people....

maybe we should start a thread of best practices the band could adopt so as not to be hijacked by the thread hawks...

we only have so much time before terri gets involved and dumps my thread to the nether regions....again....

:)

Captain_jovi 08-10-2012 05:11 AM

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Originally Posted by bjmjpl (Post 1087066)
i dunno people on here dont even seem to care, they lazily accept the ways things are as the way the have to be....if some of the people on here are too lazy, youre right, what chance to we have that the general audience wont be lazy, and therefore leave us with a lazy band....

i predict a material decline on the next tour if nothing changes...

What do you propose we do? Go to shows and nudge the arm of every concert goer at a Bon Jovi show and say "hey, check out this album track, you'd really like it"? The band has marketed themselves to the casual fan, like it or not it's the truth. It's not going to change. Bon Jovi are not Pearl Jam. Once again, Pearl Jam get away with what they do because they don't have 10+ hits that they have to play every show. Come on man, you have to agree by now that Pearl Jam are not the same type of "Hit makers" as BJ.

bjcrazycpa 08-10-2012 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1087077)
What do you propose we do? Go to shows and nudge the arm of every concert goer at a Bon Jovi show and say "hey, check out this album track, you'd really like it"? The band has marketed themselves to the casual fan, like it or not it's the truth. It's not going to change. Bon Jovi are not Pearl Jam. Once again, Pearl Jam get away with what they do because they don't have 10+ hits that they have to play every show. Come on man, you have to agree by now that Pearl Jam are not the same type of "Hit makers" as BJ.

Yea, being a hit band is a curse and a blessing. I've been to just over 100 Bon Jovi shows, if I NEVER heard Bad Name, Prayer, etc, I'd be fine, but for this band I'm a micro percentage of what makes up the ticket buyers to their shows (speaking for the US only). Unfortunately, for diehards the normal ticket buyer is going for 1) the party atmosphere 2) to hear songs they know. The one thing that Jon hates and will guarantee autopilot from him is if the crowd is dead.

Captain_jovi 08-10-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1087081)
Yea, being a hit band is a curse and a blessing. I've been to just over 100 Bon Jovi shows, if I NEVER heard Bad Name, Prayer, etc, I'd be fine, but for this band I'm a micro percentage of what makes up the ticket buyers to their shows (speaking for the US only). Unfortunately, for diehards the normal ticket buyer is going for 1) the party atmosphere 2) to hear songs they know. The one thing that Jon hates and will guarantee autopilot from him is if the crowd is dead.

Yep, dead on. The first few shows of the Circle tour are a testament to that.

SexxAtraxxion 08-10-2012 08:02 PM

Bon Jovi has a hardcore fanbase as big as Pearl Jam. They can make a diverse setlist and the fans won't be disappointed, Bon Jovi are not the ****ing Backstreet Boys.

Unfortunately Jon only cares about $$$ and he'll keep the same shitty setlist for the rest of his life. No wonder why he'll never join the Hall of Fame.

Captain_jovi 08-10-2012 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SexxAtraxxion (Post 1087086)
Bon Jovi has a hardcore fanbase as big as Pearl Jam. They can make a diverse setlist and the fans won't be disappointed, Bon Jovi are not the ****ing Backstreet Boys.

Unfortunately Jon only cares about $$$ and he'll keep the same shitty setlist for the rest of his life. No wonder why he'll never join the Hall of Fame.

Really? You think money is the reason the album cuts don't go over well? Really?

bjcrazycpa 08-10-2012 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SexxAtraxxion (Post 1087086)
Bon Jovi has a hardcore fanbase as big as Pearl Jam.

Bon Jovi does have a very big fanbase but I think it's safe to say that it's more the casual fan not the hardcore music fan and that's where the band's differ. Pearl Jam fans are there for the music and a lot, not all, Bon Jovi fans are there to be entertained and engaged in the show.

bjmjpl 08-10-2012 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_jovi (Post 1087077)
What do you propose we do? Go to shows and nudge the arm of every concert goer at a Bon Jovi show and say "hey, check out this album track, you'd really like it"? The band has marketed themselves to the casual fan, like it or not it's the truth. It's not going to change. Bon Jovi are not Pearl Jam. Once again, Pearl Jam get away with what they do because they don't have 10+ hits that they have to play every show. Come on man, you have to agree by now that Pearl Jam are not the same type of "Hit makers" as BJ.

of course i udnerstand that - it is a simple concept, i just dont agree...

not one of these casual fans was dying to hear sleep, or WGIGO, or pick your non hit bon jovi songs that they play every show....jovi played them , they worked, people picked up on it, all im saying is that they have a HUGE catalog of songs that would fall into this category and we accept it for some reason saying that have to play 10 hits...okay, let them play 10 hits, fine if that is IMPOSSIBLE to deal with...there are 15-20 OTHER SONGS IN A SHOW....

they play SFTP acoustic all of the sudden - were people clarmoring for that...? No that was awesome - then they played that song AT EVERY SHOW from then on....they have 500 other songs that deserve some attention, thats where the laziness comes in....

i am not suggesting that you poke other fans at concerts - i am big believer that people READ boards like this.... if you dont think so i think you are kinda a spaz in this day of social marketing but either way SOEMBODY reads this stuff, weve seen plenty of evidence of that and people ON THIS BOARD give them a pass, not everybody but it seems most, and my ONLY point is that if WE can have a majority at least that want more, maybe we would get more, i think all levels of jovi fans would benefit as no casual fan knows all jovi songs and youwould not hear comments from casusals anymore such as wow i have sen the SAME SHOW for the last 10 YEARS....

cmon folks...if we dont care who will....

no one...

SexxAtraxxion 08-10-2012 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1087088)
Bon Jovi does have a very big fanbase but I think it's safe to say that it's more the casual fan not the hardcore music fan and that's where the band's differ. Pearl Jam fans are there for the music and a lot, not all, Bon Jovi fans are there to be entertained and engaged in the show.

During the latest 10 years, the only people who bought the new Bon Jovi records are the real fans.

That's why they stopped going multi-Platinum. The casual fans didn't care about new music after It's My Life.

bjcrazycpa 08-10-2012 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SexxAtraxxion (Post 1087090)
During the latest 10 years, the only people who bought the new Bon Jovi records are the real fans.

That's why they stopped going multi-Platinum. The casual fans didn't care about new music after It's My Life.

No argument from me there. I agree with you. But, as far as their live shows they are still attracting those that know the hits and the small contingency of remaining diehard fans. I am not defending them on the lackluster setlists, I agree, they can use changing up and can do it and not totally lose the casual fan but they will never be that band that can go out night after night and play 2 to 3 hits and then entire full albums or super deep cuts like a Pearl Jam or Black Crowes...Believe me I wish they could!!

KeepTheFaith2211 08-11-2012 12:03 AM

Is this simply about Bon Jovi playing the wrong songs or not changing the set up? There is a difference. If the sets from '95 were appearing every night, there would be no complaints, I assume.

I once said Bon Jovi should play the same set every night and have a 24-song set. This was after getting such classics as 'Work For The Working Man' and 'Sleep When I'm Dead' while other shows were getting '(It's Hard) Letting You Go', 'Wild Is The Wind' and 'Something To Believe In', though.

bjmjpl 08-11-2012 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by bjcrazycpa (Post 1087091)
No argument from me there. I agree with you. But, as far as their live shows they are still attracting those that know the hits and the small contingency of remaining diehard fans. I am not defending them on the lackluster setlists, I agree, they can use changing up and can do it and not totally lose the casual fan but they will never be that band that can go out night after night and play 2 to 3 hits and then entire full albums or super deep cuts like a Pearl Jam or Black Crowes...Believe me I wish they could!!

i agree and i have never thought they would do that nor suggested it...it would be great but wont happen

thats not my point at all....

bjmjpl 08-11-2012 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepTheFaith2211 (Post 1087097)
Is this simply about Bon Jovi playing the wrong songs or not changing the set up? There is a difference. If the sets from '95 were appearing every night, there would be no complaints, I assume.

I once said Bon Jovi should play the same set every night and have a 24-song set. This was after getting such classics as 'Work For The Working Man' and 'Sleep When I'm Dead' while other shows were getting '(It's Hard) Letting You Go', 'Wild Is The Wind' and 'Something To Believe In', though.

if you think bon jovi should come up with one 24 song set and play it into the ground then yes we fundamentally disagree...and you are prob a very happy jovi fan :)

KeepTheFaith2211 08-11-2012 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by bjmjpl (Post 1087102)
if you think bon jovi should come up with one 24 song set and play it into the ground then yes we fundamentally disagree...and you are prob a very happy jovi fan :)

Why not? It means petty people like myself don't feel like shit for getting nothing special whereas some obscure show gets six or seven songs that I would die to hear.

And let's face it, if the right songs were played, nobody would complain.

bjmjpl 08-11-2012 01:58 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepTheFaith2211 (Post 1087104)
Why not? It means petty people like myself don't feel like shit for getting nothing special whereas some obscure show gets six or seven songs that I would die to hear.

And let's face it, if the right songs were played, nobody would complain.

because i think there is a fundamental diff between a band with musical integrity and a broadway show


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