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Rdkopper 01-11-2013 07:36 PM

I think someone needs to define nostalgic becasue most of you are not using it correctly....

Savvi 01-11-2013 08:48 PM

Official chart positions so far...

Ireland #55
Netherlands #36

ticos_stick 01-11-2013 09:14 PM

As much as I'm underwhelmed by the new song I don't think it's fair to judge it on it's chart position when it's got no video or promo behind it.

ezearis 01-11-2013 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1100505)
As much as I'm underwhelmed by the new song I don't think it's fair to judge it on it's chart position when it's got no video or promo behind it.

That's what I don't get. It's ****ing Bon Jovi, the label should put more money on them and they should care enough to make a video or something. And a real one, not that shit of concert images that they've been pulling off. The HAND video was pretty cool!

I feel this like, "why make a video if they're going to see us live and buy the record anyway?".

rolo_tomachi 01-11-2013 10:34 PM

I do not understand, we werent born to follow with more dignity remained in its first week, and we had not a video clip, but rang in late summer and was more refreshing for listeners.

Captain_jovi 01-11-2013 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ezearis (Post 1100513)
That's what I don't get. It's ****ing Bon Jovi, the label should put more money on them and they should care enough to make a video or something. And a real one, not that shit of concert images that they've been pulling off. The HAND video was pretty cool!

I feel this like, "why make a video if they're going to see us live and buy the record anyway?".

The song just went public 4 days ago. It hasn't even been a week. I think I read the video comes out on the 15th so it was probably filmed weeks and weeks ago.

Spidey5150 01-11-2013 11:41 PM

I heard it on the radio today for the first time. Kind of caught me off-guard.

KeepTheFaith2211 01-12-2013 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100479)
7800 Degrees Fahrenheit might not be the best of Bon Jovi records, yet the guitar work on it is the most complex and ambitious Richie has recorded, song in song out. The reason I enumerated those songs/ albums was to highlight everything that made Bon Jovi stand out and everything that is lacking in this particular song! I was not even asking for all those elements. Just one would have been enough...but...no!

Second best album in my opinion. Seriously.

Ang1e 01-12-2013 04:22 AM

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Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100479)
nickolai. First of all, let me get all the non-important stuff out of the way.

1. Yes, I am an arrogant asshole!
2. No, I don't care even the slightest if you lost all respect for me (whatever that may mean)
3. I am well beyond the 'groupie' age of 16.5 when I may have thought that accusing someone of not being a 'real' or 'true' fan meant anything at all
4. 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit might not be the best of Bon Jovi records, yet the guitar work on it is the most complex and ambitious Richie has recorded, song in song out. The reason I enumerated those songs/ albums was to highlight everything that made Bon Jovi stand out and everything that is lacking in this particular song! I was not even asking for all those elements. Just one would have been enough...but...no!

Having clarified this, let's focus on the gist of it!

I don't want Bon Jovi to be "sounding all 80s & 90s again" in the sense you phrase it. I don't want them to re-release Slippery, or Jersey or Faith or These Days. They should simply sound like themselves. Great bands transcend decades and fashion, and make music that is first and foremost their own music, maintaining a certain level of quality. I admit, there aren't that many who are still relevant but I can start enumerating a bunch.

Extremely successful ones: Bruce Springsteen. AC/DC
Very successful ones: Pearl Jam. Iron Maiden
Moderately successful ones: Alice Cooper. The Scorpions

These are NOT nostalgia acts. Go to any of their concerts, listen to any of their recent records. NONE sound like it's 1985 - yet they all make honest genuine music that represents them as musicians in the 2010s. Do they get radio airplay? Some do, yes. Do they top the charts? No, they don't. Do they care about those aspects primarily? I don't know - but certainly, it is NOT mass appeal that they aim at when they release these records. Yet they remain extremely successful. Again, knowing the way you think, you will say: "if Bon Jovi sounded like Bruce Springsteen, they would be accused of blah blah blah!". And no, I am not saying they should sound like Springsteen either.

All I am saying is that Because We Can is a manufactured song that sounds like it has come from a song-factory where they mass-produce songs that make no sense, yet are consumed, because that's 'what works' today.
It sounds as if a bunch of untalented musicians came together and recorded some sound in a gutter, copied lyrics from a Scientology for beginners hymn book, recorded a guitar solo using one finger only on a piano keyboard, while the singer was not quite sure whether he was drowning or whether he should have used nose drops to breath better. When the 'product' was finished, they stamped BON JOVI on it and put it on itunes. It's like writing Ferrari on a Toyota (without insulting Toyota who make great cars).

And I was neither trying to insult anyone or act condescendingly. I do apologise if it did though.

Great post!
This song barely resembles the Bon Jovi sound. Can't believe Jon decided to release it. The drums and the guitar sound like they are coming from David's piano, it's just not a quality song.
I was considering going to Mohegan, but after hearing this unlistenable song, decided not to.

TheOriginalJez 01-12-2013 04:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DevilsSon (Post 1100479)
nickolai. First of all, let me get all the non-important stuff out of the way.

1. Yes, I am an arrogant asshole!
2. No, I don't care even the slightest if you lost all respect for me (whatever that may mean)
3. I am well beyond the 'groupie' age of 16.5 when I may have thought that accusing someone of not being a 'real' or 'true' fan meant anything at all
4. 7800 Degrees Fahrenheit might not be the best of Bon Jovi records, yet the guitar work on it is the most complex and ambitious Richie has recorded, song in song out. The reason I enumerated those songs/ albums was to highlight everything that made Bon Jovi stand out and everything that is lacking in this particular song! I was not even asking for all those elements. Just one would have been enough...but...no!

Having clarified this, let's focus on the gist of it!

I don't want Bon Jovi to be "sounding all 80s & 90s again" in the sense you phrase it. I don't want them to re-release Slippery, or Jersey or Faith or These Days. They should simply sound like themselves. Great bands transcend decades and fashion, and make music that is first and foremost their own music, maintaining a certain level of quality. I admit, there aren't that many who are still relevant but I can start enumerating a bunch.

Extremely successful ones: Bruce Springsteen. AC/DC
Very successful ones: Pearl Jam. Iron Maiden
Moderately successful ones: Alice Cooper. The Scorpions

These are NOT nostalgia acts. Go to any of their concerts, listen to any of their recent records. NONE sound like it's 1985 - yet they all make honest genuine music that represents them as musicians in the 2010s. Do they get radio airplay? Some do, yes. Do they top the charts? No, they don't. Do they care about those aspects primarily? I don't know - but certainly, it is NOT mass appeal that they aim at when they release these records. Yet they remain extremely successful. Again, knowing the way you think, you will say: "if Bon Jovi sounded like Bruce Springsteen, they would be accused of blah blah blah!". And no, I am not saying they should sound like Springsteen either.

All I am saying is that Because We Can is a manufactured song that sounds like it has come from a song-factory where they mass-produce songs that make no sense, yet are consumed, because that's 'what works' today.
It sounds as if a bunch of untalented musicians came together and recorded some sound in a gutter, copied lyrics from a Scientology for beginners hymn book, recorded a guitar solo using one finger only on a piano keyboard, while the singer was not quite sure whether he was drowning or whether he should have used nose drops to breath better. When the 'product' was finished, they stamped BON JOVI on it and put it on itunes. It's like writing Ferrari on a Toyota (without insulting Toyota who make great cars).

And I was neither trying to insult anyone or act condescendingly. I do apologise if it did though.

Bruce isn't a nostalgia act, he has 'current' hits... the rest kinda are... that's not to say they're bad but.... they are nostalgia acts...


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