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Spidey5150 01-08-2013 08:50 PM

How do people think it compares to Richie's Every Road? I didn't quite think to make this comparison until this morning, and I know we're talking solo output versus band output, but even so. I prefer Every Road, though I think BWC has a better shot at radio. Of course if Every Road were by an up and coming artist, not the guitarist from BJ, i'm sure it would have gotten more exposure.

JoviForever 01-08-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by † ÀžžÀ † (Post 1099914)
The fact it's charting pretty well will I guess justify Jon's decision to start off with it. Doesn't change the fact it's their weakest lead single ever (in my opinion).

Sure, it's not THAT bad and definitely grows on you after a while but I think collectively the fan-base have simply had their full of the same formulaic output. BJ and Springsteen have always been my two favourite artists. The difference between them is at 63 I still believe The Boss. Jon seems to have relinquished his creativity in order to play stadiums.

But within a couple of days it wil drop like a stone and by the time the album is out it will have disappeared without trace.

John Shanks is killing this band with his production. Compare this rubbish to something off the Keep the Faith album. Is it really the same band?!

Beaky 01-08-2013 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1099975)
I just deleted all my negative posts so we can get back on track.

As far as SFTP goes, this is not a killer song as far as I am concerned. I'm a Bon Jovi fan so I like all songs but even to this day, the first verse gets me pumped and by the second, I'm sleeping. It's just way over produced and the lyrics are just ok, typical Bon Jovi lyrics. It's one of songs that just fades from start to finish.

It's not one of my go to songs when I'm in the mood for Bon Jovi.

Now it's still too early to tell but I really like BWC because it's catchy and doesn't lose me after the second verse. This type of song is not deep so the lyrics are irrelevant but I could see this going over very well live. If a song like this could be a top 20 and spark some new fans then I'm happy.

The singles are for the average listener and the rest of the album is for me.

Massive respect to you. You have admitted what most on here will never do and that is that you will always like their output because you're a fan and in no way am I patronising or belittling that.

Too many people try to say they love it because of this or that and it matches up to the best of their back catalogue but you are honest enough to say you like it because it makes you stamp your feet, clap your hands and you'll take that from your band.

Seriously good point, well made.

RS8MB0R8 01-08-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spidey5150 (Post 1099977)
How do people think it compares to Richie's Every Road? I didn't quite think to make this comparison until this morning, and I know we're talking solo output versus band output, but even so. I prefer Every Road, though I think BWC has a better shot at radio. Of course if Every Road were by an up and coming artist, not the guitarist from BJ, i'm sure it would have gotten more exposure.

If I'm honest, as much as I prefer Every Road by some distance, I didn't even think that was a great track by Richie's standards. It was radio-friendly, sure but I probably wouldn't include it in the top half of my list of favourite-least favourite songs from AOTL.

Spidey5150 01-08-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by RS8MB0R8 (Post 1099982)
If I'm honest, as much as I prefer Every Road by some distance, I didn't even think that was a great track by Richie's standards. It was radio-friendly, sure but I probably wouldn't include it in the top half of my list of favourite-least favourite songs from AOTL.

Fair enough. I'd also have it in the middle of the pack. My favorites off of AOTL were tracks 7-10.

VanJovi 01-08-2013 09:31 PM

Hello,

Can anyone direct me (or send me a pm) where to listen to the song please? I have read a few pages back but can't see anything.

Thanks!!!

Javier 01-08-2013 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by JoviForever (Post 1099978)
But within a couple of days it wil drop like a stone and by the time the album is out it will have disappeared without trace.

Much like when they released Make a Memory and Lost Highway, they'll be promoting the second single around the same time of the albums release is my theory....

Beaky 01-08-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RS8MB0R8 (Post 1099982)
If I'm honest, as much as I prefer Every Road by some distance, I didn't even think that was a great track by Richie's standards. It was radio-friendly, sure but I probably wouldn't include it in the top half of my list of favourite-least favourite songs from AOTL.

Agree on this. I think both songs could have a place on a very good Bon Jovi album. Take a producer who knows how to layer guitars, bring each element and instrument out but without polishing it too much - someone like Don Was who produces The Stones. Then have the band record Every Road and put a little more time into every single element of BWC and you've got two very diverse tunes, both very much Bon Jovi.

Upon reflection, this is my biggest problem with BWC; it sounds so rushed. Like Jon sang over a drum machine, the horrible guitar overdubs; I have a feeling that since BOUNCE the band haven't recorded a single demo together, like they used to. All of them in the studio, playing live. If they had, I bet the BWC demo would sound much better than the finished product.

I just don't think Shank Stain works that way.

RS8MB0R8 01-08-2013 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Spidey5150 (Post 1099983)
Fair enough. I'd also have it in the middle of the pack. My favorites off of AOTL were tracks 7-10.

Pretty much the same. :)

RS8MB0R8 01-08-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by VanJovi (Post 1099984)
Hello,

Can anyone direct me (or send me a pm) where to listen to the song please? I have read a few pages back but can't see anything.

Thanks!!!

http://www.iheartradio.com/player/?m...9VzhvY.twitter

nickolai 01-08-2013 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Bounce7800 (Post 1099958)
Oh Jesus people, play nice. It's good to have a bit more traffic with the new single to discuss, try not to put people off reading and posting by bickering and insulting each other.

Don't talk nonsense. The bitching is why people read!

VanJovi 01-08-2013 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RS8MB0R8 (Post 1099992)

Thank you!!!

The Rock 01-08-2013 10:09 PM

Here is the iTumes Apple chart from around the world and it's selling. It's either one or two. In the US it's at number 1 and in Australia 1. If Bowie hadn't released his song, it would have been number 1 in all countries, I think.

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/cha...rocksongs.html

Another article saying how it's shot to number 1

http://hairbangersradio.ning.com/for...=facebookshare

KeepTheFaith2211 01-08-2013 10:22 PM

I honestly would rather this song got nowhere near the charts because I don't want people to know that this is the work of Bon Jovi.

I gave it another listen. It just leaves me with a sour taste.

ticos_stick 01-09-2013 12:37 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepTheFaith2211 (Post 1100002)
It just leaves me with a sour taste.

That's probably the saccharine.

Roll 01-09-2013 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by KeepTheFaith2211 (Post 1100002)
I honestly would rather this song got nowhere near the charts because I don't want people to know that this is the work of Bon Jovi.

I gave it another listen. It just leaves me with a sour taste.

I don't quite get that. Just take any poor U2 album (I mean something RS reviewed 4,5 stars), put Bon Jovi on the cover and replace Bono with Jon and it would instantly get 1,5 star. I don't care about what people think about my listening to Bon Jovi because I know nothing will change their prejudice against the band. That's our cross to bear :cool: And sorry for my poor English...

bonbevan 01-09-2013 01:42 AM

I listened to the song a few times today and got to say it is catchy! I hope it does well at radio.

I will be interested to see what other songs they release before the album comes out! I expect the others will be quite different to this and appeal to different people.

I think because you can is a fun song and had it just been an album track and not the first single maybe more people would enjoy it (in the context of an album), not comparing the two songs but kind of how 99 in the shade is for New Jersey! If that makes sense?

But in my opinion I don't think it's a bad song, it's upbeat and different to what I expected, I will be interested to hear the other songs once released.

KeepTheFaith2211 01-09-2013 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by ticos_stick (Post 1100029)
That's probably the saccharine.

Maybe, yes.

Wrath Mania 01-09-2013 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Roll (Post 1100045)
I don't quite get that. Just take any poor U2 album (I mean something RS reviewed 4,5 stars), put Bon Jovi on the cover and replace Bono with Jon and it would instantly get 1,5 star. I don't care about what people think about my listening to Bon Jovi because I know nothing will change their prejudice against the band. That's our cross to bear :cool: And sorry for my poor English...

But U2 sucks nowadays. Anyone outside of a U2 minion would agree with that. Just like anyone outside of a Jon Bon minion would admit BJ blows. The difference is U2 had some critical acclaim that was (I guess?) pretty well deserved back in the day, whereas Bon Jovi never did. And critics are still more respectful of Bono than Jon Bon, probably for better and worse.

SexxAtraxxion 01-09-2013 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Roll (Post 1100045)
I don't quite get that. Just take any poor U2 album (I mean something RS reviewed 4,5 stars), put Bon Jovi on the cover and replace Bono with Jon and it would instantly get 1,5 star.

But any poor U2 album has better lyrics than anything by Bon Jovi.

Jon is not in the same league as Bono.

crashed 01-09-2013 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1100052)
But U2 sucks nowadays. Anyone outside of a U2 minion would agree with that. Just like anyone outside of a Jon Bon minion would admit BJ blows. The difference is U2 had some critical acclaim that was (I guess?) pretty well deserved back in the day, whereas Bon Jovi never did. And critics are still more respectful of Bono than Jon Bon, probably for better and worse.

Actually most people I know think Jovi are alright, a few think they blow, but none of them would likely buy an album. But here's the test - stick any U2 hit on and stick any Jovi hit on and see which one they sing along too. I bet the majority will be the Jovi song.

U2 always appealed to the serious critics - comes with the background of where they come from - they were always going to get more credibility even when they release dumb stuff like that song about the boots.

I think one of the things I like about Because We Can is it isn't trying to be cool...or fakely serious or so many of the other things Bon Jovi have tried to be at times.

Strip away the poppy production and it's unashamedly a big, loud Bon Jovi song.

ticos_stick 01-09-2013 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SexxAtraxxion (Post 1100057)
But any poor U2 album has better lyrics than anything by Bon Jovi.

Jon is not in the same league as Bono.

I dunno, Bono has written some cringe worthy garbage in his time.

Quote:

Hey...Sexy Boots
Get on your Boots
Yeah...

crashed 01-09-2013 02:36 AM

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Originally Posted by SexxAtraxxion (Post 1100057)
But any poor U2 album has better lyrics than anything by Bon Jovi.

Jon is not in the same league as Bono.

Really? "I'm a mole digging in a hole?"

I think any lyric Jon has written is better than that.

Rdkopper 01-09-2013 04:06 AM

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Originally Posted by The Rock (Post 1099999)
Here is the iTumes Apple chart from around the world and it's selling. It's either one or two. In the US it's at number 1 and in Australia 1. If Bowie hadn't released his song, it would have been number 1 in all countries, I think.

http://www.apple.com/euro/itunes/cha...rocksongs.html

Another article saying how it's shot to number 1

http://hairbangersradio.ning.com/for...=facebookshare

This is just a single and not the album!

All this means is that Bon Jovi has a shit load of fans and has nothing to do with the song itself. It could take 3 to 6 months before this song hits heavy rotation and that's when we'll find out if it's successful or not!

LeaJovi 01-09-2013 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by crashed (Post 1100063)
Really? "I'm a mole digging in a hole?"

I think any lyric Jon has written is better than that.

"The sweat on this old collar, that's my phd."

Jon has written lines miles worse than that one from Bono.

Different league lyrics-wise. Just deal with it.

Panda 01-09-2013 04:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1100052)
But U2 sucks nowadays. Anyone outside of a U2 minion would agree with that. Just like anyone outside of a Jon Bon minion would admit BJ blows. The difference is U2 had some critical acclaim that was (I guess?) pretty well deserved back in the day, whereas Bon Jovi never did. And critics are still more respectful of Bono than Jon Bon, probably for better and worse.

Umm nope. I know plenty of people who are casual u2 fans as young adults, but I don't know anyone as young adults that like bon jovi

Wrath Mania 01-09-2013 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Panda (Post 1100076)
Umm nope. I know plenty of people who are casual u2 fans as young adults, but I don't know anyone as young adults that like bon jovi

Umm well I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm sure that is the case. Overall U2 is given more respect, and probably deservedly do. Then again I know plenty of music fans who have correctly observed that the more recent U2 albums are awful.

Panda 01-09-2013 04:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1100078)
Umm well I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm sure that is the case. Overall U2 is given more respect, and probably deservedly do. Then again I know plenty of music fans who have correctly observed that the more recent U2 albums are awful.

Well I thought how to dismantle an atomic bomb is one of their best albums to date, and that's their second last album. I also really like all that you can't leave behind. which is the album previous.

TwinFan 01-09-2013 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1100078)
Umm well I'm not disagreeing with that. I'm sure that is the case. Overall U2 is given more respect, and probably deservedly do. Then again I know plenty of music fans who have correctly observed that the more recent U2 albums are awful.

There have been some true shitters on some of their recent albums, but Bon Jovi has those, too. Moment of Surrender and Breathe from their 2009 album are a couple of their best songs, even when put up with their great back catalog.

ticos_stick 01-09-2013 05:03 AM

U2 on their day are pretty unstoppable. They're a pretty mediocre bunch of musicians but they wrote classic poignant songs about political struggle and pushed themselves beyond a place they ever should have got.

They have done some awful stuff but they haven't quite gone down the Bon Jovi route of pumping out albums and tours "because they can"

Wrath Mania 01-09-2013 05:33 AM

I hope no one here thinks I'm saying Bon Jovi is better or (LOL) has done more recently. I'm just saying basically I think they're recent stuff ranges from boring to lame, and I know a lot of people agree. On the other hand, I might just feel Bono is an insufferable organic mass.

Rdkopper 01-09-2013 05:45 AM

BWC is a great song. I'm digging it more and more each listen. It just went from a 7 to an 8.

I don't wanna be another wave in the ocean. I am a rock not just another grain of sand...... love it.

Look at eminem. I'm not too familiar with his music but I know his corner Slim Shady songs killed the radio charts but his albums tracks were more serious rap. Point In Case People.

If you believe in we, we can!!!!!!

TwinFan 01-09-2013 05:49 AM

The song is decent. That moving mountains bit is pretty cringeworthy, though, just because of its cliche factor.

Rdkopper 01-09-2013 05:54 AM

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Originally Posted by TwinFan (Post 1100087)
The song is decent. That moving mountains bit is pretty cringeworthy, though, just because of its cliche factor.

The more you listen, the more you overlook it.

Bon Jovi 2013 is Awesome! Those are my words and I'm sticking with it. All you haters should just leave!

TwinFan 01-09-2013 06:04 AM

I wouldn't necessarily say awesome, but I definitely am very interested to hear the rest of the album.

Wrath Mania 01-09-2013 06:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Rdkopper (Post 1100086)
BWC is a great song. I'm digging it more and more each listen. It just went from a 7 to an 8.

I don't wanna be another wave in the ocean. I am a rock not just another grain of sand...... love it.

Look at eminem. I'm not too familiar with his music but I know his corner Slim Shady songs killed the radio charts but his albums tracks were more serious rap. Point In Case People.

If you believe in we, we can!!!!!!

You can't possibly be serious.

In any event, even Eminem's corny tracks are at times brilliant lyrically (Square Dance, My Name is, etc). It's rap, you can be corny as hell and still have a good song on your hands as long as the verbal gymnastics are there. The idea that you can use Eminem here as a comparison for Jon Bon in any way is preposterous.

EDIT Of course you admitted you aren't even familiar with his music, so why it's being used as the crux of your... argument... is beyond me.

Rdkopper 01-09-2013 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Wrath Mania (Post 1100090)
You can't possibly be serious.

In any event, even Eminem's corny tracks are at times brilliant lyrically (Square Dance, My Name is, etc). It's rap, you can be corny as hell and still have a good song on your hands as long as the verbal gymnastics are there. The idea that you can use Eminem here as a comparison for Jon Bon in any way is preposterous.

EDIT Of course you admitted you aren't even familiar with his music, so why it's being used as the crux of your... argument... is beyond me.

I know enough to make a general observation. Plus not every lyric is corny in BWC either. People love pop catchy corny tunes. It makes them feel good after a bad day. Not deep. That's what the albums are for.

It's very difficult yo have discussions without the album

Spidey5150 01-09-2013 07:07 AM

I like several U2 songs, but i've always held and still believe that they're very overrated.

Savvi 01-09-2013 10:18 AM

Yeah there are only two things I don't like about Because We Can...

1. The solo
2. "move a mountain / believe in we" lyrics.

The rest I find very enjoyable.

Whether you love or hate it, it's got to be one of the catchiest choruses by the band.

steel_horse75 01-09-2013 12:28 PM

I love the first verse.


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